Legalize MJ ! Really? No I mean REALLY?

[igrowone]

this bill may pass this year, it may not
but the polls seem to show it's close to a dead heat, and may signal to the politicians that some legislative legalization could be done with minimal damage(to them, they don't give a fuck about much else)
back in the day, prohibition got repealed not from some 'moral issues', but because the loss in tax revenue had become so egregious and the depression was so severe, the political damage to repeal prohibition became acceptable
so in the end, what do you prefer, a not perfect voter initiative bill, or something cooked up in the state legislature?

 

[Hammerhead]

You have not said anything about USDA regulation's that anyone could research on the Internet and post it here. You sure are trying pretty hard to convice everyone that you know more about these regulations then anyone else. Most of what your saying is just your opinion. If it makes you fell better you can call me names now lol .

 

[dagnabit]

Anyway, the new rules are worse then you can imagine. But that's OK, you want regulations.

LOL

the new rules will be worse than the feds kicking in my door,shooting my dog,throwing my wife on the floor,tazing me,hauling me off to jail and then sentencing me to 18 months followed by 3 years probation?

please do explain how new usda regulation is worse than that?

 

[Anti]

Same ridiculous argument you and room mate put forth about 100 posts ago. Only now you are saying that when I say something it is not true (just because I say it), and it carries little weight, but your act of making that statement carries all the weight in the world. WTF. You have more knowledge of regulations then me. LOL. In your head maybe.

Heh. I don't have a roommate, silly. I know it's completely unfathomable that two different strangers could see through your sad little game, but you're going to have to sack up and come to terms with it.

We called your bluff. Independently of one another. You can either continue to hide behind personal attacks on complete strangers you will never meet or you can back up your wild accusations with something more substantial than "I know better than you guys, I can totally tell that from the way you disagree with me."

Oh and BTW, I'd tell you and your roommate about the new food and crop safety rules just set into action by the USDA, but not only would you 2 argue with me but you would claim it was off topic in my own thread.

It would be off topic, but that wouldn't be my argument. (That's your argument, remember?) My argument would be that in order for the USDA to regulate cannabis it would have to already be legal. That would be a great victory for the free people of the world.

Anyway, the new rules are worse then you can imagine. But that's OK, you want regulations.

You can't regulate that which you are at war with. Ending the war is worth the regulation. You could always try your hand at some other kind of work if the regulations on you are making it unbearable/unprofitable.

Please try hard to confine your arguments to verifiable information, statistics and logic and see if you can manage to avoid petty insults for just one post.

 

[ksmokey]

my 2 cents:
Legalization must come before regulation. At this point wouldn't the government/corporate history of lies and greed and corruption have come to the surface to SOME extent? I mean, even if just 1% of what the government/corporations did to keep cannabis illegal came out, wouldn't this be enough to outrage the american people?

is it really possible that legalization and regulation could happen and the government/corps will be able to pretend that they weren't in some way responsible for an unheard amount of pain and suffering inflicted on the american people?

Or am I wrong for assuming that the majority of the american people are ignorant to the true extent of the government/corporate lies? Am i wrong to think that one day the american people will wizen up and call for some ACTUAL accountability in this country?

 

[grapeman]

Heh. I don't have a roommate, silly. I know it's completely unfathomable that two different strangers could see through your sad little game, but you're going to have to sack up and come to terms with it.

We called your bluff. Independently of one another. You can either continue to hide behind personal attacks on complete strangers you will never meet or you can back up your wild accusations with something more substantial than "I know better than you guys, I can totally tell that from the way you disagree with me."




It would be off topic, but that wouldn't be my argument. (That's your argument, remember?) My argument would be that in order for the USDA to regulate cannabis it would have to already be legal. That would be a great victory for the free people of the world.



You can't regulate that which you are at war with. Ending the war is worth the regulation. You could always try your hand at some other kind of work if the regulations on you are making it unbearable/unprofitable.

Please try hard to confine your arguments to verifiable information, statistics and logic and see if you can manage to avoid petty insults for just one post.

You called my bluff??

LOL. Amazing how you interpret your own posts and how intelligent you think you are. You still haven't grasped or commented on the OT.

The comment that you cannot regulate something you are at war with is especially stupid since the OP was about what's to come once this becomes legal. As always, you post shit without being able to stay on topic.

 

[Anti]

You called my bluff??

LOL. Amazing how you interpret your own posts and how intelligent you think you are. You still haven't grasped or commented on the OT.

No facts. Just attacks. Surprised? Not really.

The comment that you cannot regulate something you are at war with is especially stupid since the OP was about what's to come once this becomes legal. As always, you post shit without being able to stay on topic.

No facts. Just attacks. Surprised? Not really.

I'm sorry you aren't able to understand my point. It doesn't have to relate to the OP since you yourself have admitted to going off topic and you yourself have admitted that threads take on a life of their own.

Nice job avoiding the personal insults and coming with facts, btw.

(That last sentence should be interpreted sarcastically.)

 

[JamesB0ng]

grapeman - I see a fairly common thread in this forum. Most think and want legalization. Well, there is nothing wrong with that is there?

Well, let me clue you in a bit about our government passing laws and granting rights.

If you think it is all a fairly simple thing, think again. The only way the government can really do the right thing here is by de-criminalizing possession and use. BUT IT WILL NOT STOP THERE.

The government, our U.S. government has a very bad habit of trying not to leave any money on the table for it's citizens. So bring the tax man to the equation and let's all pony up. Imagine, paying commerce taxes on a common weed.

But wait! It gets even better. Government regulation will bring.... wait for it..... government regulation. Aside from the fact that any and all government regulation ALWAYS makes entry into that specific business more difficult and more expensive, thereby stifling competition, there are even more headaches to follow.

Enter the USDA. Want to be a grower, well be sure to follow the rules here. Specific cultural practices, such as applying the most "organic" of compounds, is a time consuming, money wasting "pain in the ass" process.

Sulfer application. Well, in order to now buy the sulfur, you need to be a licensed PCO or PCA. You must have documented to the USDA how many acres of specific crops and strains you farm (or # of plants in this case) or you cannot buy at the local Ag Supplier. Can't buy there? You will then spend more for the same product thereby making your product more expensive to produce then your competition. And be prepared to report to the local County Ag Commissioner within 3 days of applying sulfur, the rate, the product I.D., the weather and wind conditions at the time of application, and on and on. Farmers need full time secretaries just doing that ONE thing. Reporting to the government.

Then try using a registered fungicide or pesticide and multiply the problems X 10. And don't you dare deviate from the label or your crop will be Red-Tagged and dumped by the government. They cross reference the amount you buy (ag suppliers must report who bought what to the government) with the amount of acres you operate.

Then bring the quality control of proper labeling of weight and Variety. You want to play in this game? You better make and register your own labels and you better follow all the rules.

Then, the USDA will grade your product before you can sell it. Why not? It does so on EVERY other crop grown and distributed in this country.

I could go on and on but here it is in a nutshell.

Before you jump on any "legalize marijuana" bandwagon, you better make sure you read the law and you know the unintended consequences.
Because what will happen is that a VERY few VERY well funded folks will survive. The rest will be regulated out of business. The black market will never go away. But doing business there will always prevent you from being legit.

I would think just plain old de-criminalization is the way to go. But once the government sets their sights on using MJ as a tax stream, we're all fucked. There are a few well funded proponents of legalizing marijuana that know this and are using everyone's desire to de-criminalize as a way to cement their foot in the door while making sure you are never allowed in.

Think before you act.

The situation would run ramped and it would make thinks much worst Mate.

 

[Aeroguerilla]

anyone who wants legalization is fucked. you really want to give America the power over a plant that has freed us all? you people make me sick keep it underground power to the people. they will take this away from us as soon as they can get there money hungry hands around it.

fuck the laws! go setup shop.. pump out some lbs and then tell me if you want it legalized.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Israel Vibrations = Wisdom

Israel Vibrations = Wisdom

When Ya Fuss and Fight
your giving hypocrites the right to say
that we cant unite it
so we just keep fighting

We all need to sing the same song
We all need to jam the same jam

 

[dagnabit]

anyone who wants legalization is fucked. you really want to give America the power over a plant that has freed us all? you people make me sick keep it underground power to the people. they will take this away from us as soon as they can get there money hungry hands around it.

fuck the laws! go setup shop.. pump out some lbs and then tell me if you want it legalized.

been there and done that...and yes i do want it freed.
right now "America" has ALL the power..you have been duped jitterbug.

 

[FoxxyDoe]

Tc2010 is for chumps. You boys need to grow some balls and stop crying about getting your ass pounded. Risk=more profit whats wrong with that, if you cant do the time don't do the crime.

Dagnabit you sound paranoid maybe you should stop selling weed or growing, maybe move to a better state.

 

[dagnabit]

Tc2010 is for chumps. You boys need to grow some balls and stop crying about getting your ass pounded. Risk=more profit whats wrong with that, if you cant do the time don't do the crime.

THANK YOU!!!!



you are exactly the type of person we can point to to get this bill passed!!!!

 

[FoxxyDoe]

You missed my point I don't know anybody doing ass pounding time unless they did something big so whats all this crap you spew.

 

[FoxxyDoe]

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you are exactly the type of person we can point to to get this bill passed!!!!

and this means what?

 

[dagnabit]

and this means what?

people are sick of prohibitionists.
people are sick of cowards who hide behind med recs.
people are sick of seeing some joyfully profit from the suffering of others.

your nasty little attitude does more to get this bill passed than 1000 well reasoned arguments.


so thank you and WHEN this bill passes.....you will be our MVP you and grape

 

[FoxxyDoe]

and WHEN this bill passes.....you will be our MVP you and grape

sweet that was easy mvp after a couple post

your nasty little attitude does more to get this bill passed than 1000 well reasoned arguments.

Isn't that what you want though? That kinda make it sound like a bad thing the way you put it there.

now you just got me trolling, I shoulda stated its ok with me if the bill passes it will probably be a good thing overall, but a lot of post have come around lately with people crying for legalization and making exaggerated points. It is pretty safe here in cali even without a med card that's all. I guess i shouldn't have singled you out Dagnabit i just wanted to say what i said because i have been thinking it a lot lately.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^with out proper laws safety is all in your head, and it's all relative.

Combat is safe if you hide behind your armored hummer the whole time, but eventually an RPG is gonna hit it.

Prop 215 is good to have, but is just an armored hummer.

this new law is more like a proper fire base.

 

[Hammerhead]

you can not have a discussion about anything if they dont care what we say or even what to listen. I have noticed that most if not all of the naysayers wont even concede they might be wrong about allot of things regarding this bill. I can only talk to a wall for so long.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

sweet that was easy mvp after a couple post




Isn't that what you want though? That kinda make it sound like a bad thing the way you put it there.

now you just got me trolling, I shoulda stated its ok with me if the bill passes it will probably be a good thing overall, but a lot of post have come around lately with people crying for legalization and making exaggerated points. It is pretty safe here in cali even without a med card that's all. I guess i shouldn't have singled you out Dagnabit i just wanted to say what i said because i have been thinking it a lot lately.

I've been medical for years and I've had LOTS of cops, CHP, and DHS agents fuck with me. It's not fun and it's a true waste of resources. Most officers I've ever been arrested by..... 18. That's right 18 LEOs to fuck with 1 "legal" med patient....

Do something right. Let's make sure no one needs to suffer the same atrocities I and others have suffered... This is 2010, no one deserves a felony record for mj.