Yield:More, smaller plants. Or less, larger plants.

[newhiddengrower]

I never got a lb a light with SOG, well maybe when I first started

A 3000 (3 1000's) watt table got me 5-6 pounds with no veg time. I had 3 of those tables and pulled every 3 weeks.

A 14,400 room (24 600's) got me around 25 pounds. And that was with huge fuckups like not enough clones, new room dialing in, etc

And that was w/o a really good strain.

I have watched alot of the larger grows here over the last 3 years. Sealed, non sealed, large plants, SOG, CO2, no CO2, etc. When I did the math on what their yields were and what mine were, sealed, CO2, SOG style was going to produce the best #'s.

I dont grow now, and if I did again, I would never go SOG, just too much work on a large scale.



As far as vegging time, I find that to be irrelevant. A flowering room should always be flowering IMO and vegging should be done elsewhere. You do not need to waste 5000 watts to veg 20-30 plants in buckets over a 12x12 area.

What system did you use? How you did no veg time?

 

[joe fresh]

with a 3 week veg and a specific strain....fim'd when switched to 12/12....i had nice 2.5-3 ft bushes......trim all lower foliage that isnt getting light/and for air circulation.....i was getting average 1.5-2 lbs a light, but i do know ppl that get 44-54#'s from 16 lights using this method

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Thanks for clarifying Joe. I didn't know that about SOG. I kind of just assumed it was just cramming a lot of plants in a smaller space. I see what you mean about taller plants not being well suited to it. I'll keep an eye out when searching strains.

SOG is cramming a lot of plants in a smaller space. I don't know what planet Joe is from

 

[joe fresh]

SOG is cramming a lot of plants in a smaller space. I don't know what planet Joe is from

SOG- to form an even canopy giving the illusion of a "sea of green"

has nothing to do with plant numbers imo

this is my garden....i didnt fim, but if i did it would have been a sog because the whole canopy would have been even giving a "sea of green effect......notice how no light is wasted....




by not wasting any light you are maximizing your floor space efficiently

 

[mean mr.mustard]

An even canopy doesn't mean SOG.

SOG was a term from the eighties. It means to flower an army of clones straight after rooting with no veg.

It has nothing to do with opinions

 

[MAXXIMUS]

sog people avg 1lb a light. When vegged 3 weeks people get 2lb a light.


But yea some pros would be that you dont need a veg room, and you dont need to veg.




1 year = 52.177457 weeks



Style based on 1 room with 4 lights.
SOG
Avg yield 1lb per light = 4lb per harvest
4lb x 6harvest = 24LB per year

Vegged
Avg Yield 2lb per light = 8lb per harvest
Vegged 3 weeks + 8 weeks flower = 11 weeks total
8lb x 5 harvest = 40lb per year

I dont know where you got your info on SOG grows bro, but your not even close on avg yields.
im not trying to start any crap, however your info is way off.
I consistently avg 3+ per 1k every 2 weeks with my perpetual sog.

the growers that have been working with me avg 4+ per 1k like clock work. i am getting there myself, slowly but surely!

SOG works extremely well if you know what your doing... couple pics for verification.

 

[Dorje113]

both. It's the middle you want to stay away from.

nailed it on the 1st post.

I've seen both produce 3 lbs / kW. 4 plants / kW seems to work well with 7 days veg time after being transplanted in the flowering room.

Also, ideal plant density varies by strain, some don't like to be topped or trained and need to be planted closer together. Some do fine with 2 plants / kW...

 

[Dopeboy668]

I gotta say yea SOG is flowering a mass amount of clones with little or no veg time. Ending up with many many one to two foot tall budsicles. Nothing to do with even canopy in the definition. That would have more to do with SCROG or using a screen to train through making an even canopy. Just my 2 cents. Peace

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Those are some nice rooms!

 

[Centrum]

i dont agree with the poster above saying SOG yields the most.

I do 24 plants 4 lights. (not vertical)

I veg for 3 weeks


i get 10LB dried is SOG more than that?

http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/101347-critical-mass-tree-grow-x.html - 2 plants 74 oz 1800 watts ( 3x 600).
6 week Veg!

http://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/149998-heaths-flooded-tube-vertical-3.html -
84 plants - 46 oz - 600 watts - 1 week veg.

If you add up the time it takes to a sog ( especially vertical) little or no veg.

He took his clones from the same plants he used in the system one week into flower.

Sog for sure especially in vertical.
The bigger they get the more light you need to penetrate all around IMO.

 

[Strapped]

Thanks for sharing that Centrum. You can't argue with numbers. Almost 3#s with 600w is elite.

 

[superusa]

http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/101347-critical-mass-tree-grow-x.html - 2 plants 74 oz 1800 watts ( 3x 600).
6 week Veg!

http://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/149998-heaths-flooded-tube-vertical-3.html -
84 plants - 46 oz - 600 watts - 1 week veg.

If you add up the time it takes to a sog ( especially vertical) little or no veg.

He took his clones from the same plants he used in the system one week into flower.

Sog for sure especially in vertical.
The bigger they get the more light you need to penetrate all around IMO.

Thanks for sharing that Centrum. You can't argue with numbers. Almost 3#s with 600w is elite.

3#s with a 600w is ELITE. Can't argue with that.. +rep for the link to that thread.

 

[newhiddengrower]

I dont know where you got your info on SOG grows bro, but your not even close on avg yields.
im not trying to start any crap, however your info is way off.
I consistently avg 3+ per 1k every 2 weeks with my perpetual sog.

the growers that have been working with me avg 4+ per 1k like clock work. i am getting there myself, slowly but surely!

SOG works extremely well if you know what your doing... couple pics for verification.

is that E&F?
How many plants under 1 light?

 

[dtfsux]

What system did you use? How you did no veg time?

I always used E&F tables. I cloned, and by the time my tables were ready, my clones had nice roots on them, and i stuck them in my flower table. Used veg nutes for 7-10 days, then flower nutes for the rest.

I used lucas formula the last few months, some kool bloom, hygrozyme and that was it. I probably could have gotten better results with a better strain and different additives.


I know a grower who used to post here and said he got an ounce per plant in a SOG. thats 4 ounces per square foot, 128 per 4x8 table which would come out to around 4# per light



A SOG is a sea of green with an even canopy with a large amount of plants, usually 4 per square foot. You can not really get an even canopy with large plants unless you train them, then that is LST, SCROG, etc. Also every SOG grow I have seen is SINGLE cola plants.

 

[newhiddengrower]

I always used E&F tables. I cloned, and by the time my tables were ready, my clones had nice roots on them, and i stuck them in my flower table. Used veg nutes for 7-10 days, then flower nutes for the rest.

I used lucas formula the last few months, some kool bloom, hygrozyme and that was it. I probably could have gotten better results with a better strain and different additives.


I know a grower who used to post here and said he got an ounce per plant in a SOG. thats 4 ounces per square foot, 128 per 4x8 table which would come out to around 4# per light



A SOG is a sea of green with an even canopy with a large amount of plants, usually 4 per square foot. You can not really get an even canopy with large plants unless you train them, then that is LST, SCROG, etc. Also every SOG grow I have seen is SINGLE cola plants.

ok i dont get it , sorry for my slowness.

1oz per plant how many plants under 1000w? i thought SOG people only put 16 plants under a 1000watt.

 

[superusa]

ok i dont get it please sorry for my slowness.

1oz per plant how many plants under 1000w? i thought SOG people only put 16 plants under a 1000watt.

Usually you root clones into 6" rockwool cubes, and then flower then right away with the cubes touching in a e&f tray. a 4x4 tray would do 64 plants. Most commercial growers I know lolipop when they do SOG so they only get one cola, usually anywhere from a half ounce to a full ounce each depending on strain. usually 1kw per tray, so about 3 or 4 pounds per tray/light

 

[dtfsux]

ok i dont get it please sorry for my slowness.

1oz per plant how many plants under 1000w? i thought SOG people only put 16 plants under a 1000watt.

Most SOGGERS use 6x6 pots. That means 4 plants per square foot (12x12). A 1000 watt light is good for a 4x4 area roughly. That is 16 square feet. so 4 plants PSF at 16 SF is 64 plants. 1 oz per plant = 64 ounces per 1000w bulb. 64/16=4

64 plants under a 1000.

Apparently some have their own definition of SOG. But I think it is fair to say that most people who grow SOG on any decent scale will agree, SOG is single cola plants at roughly 4 plants per square foot. hell one guy here was doing 9 PSF by using 4 inch pots.

I have come close to the oz per plant on a couple phenos of the strain that the other grower was using. But never got the chance to dial it in.

 

[High Country]

SOG, 3x3 ebb/flow, 600W HPS, 4 plants per sq/ft, 36 plant total, single cola style

CLONES READY TO GO IN

SOG

 

[F_T_P!]

If you have horizontal lights, more, small plants is the way to go.

If growing with vertical lights, less, large plants is the way to go.

 

[MAXXIMUS]

is that E&F?
How many plants under 1 light?

Hey bro, those are home/hand made pcvc top feed manifolds. they are fed with a 1600gph pump in a 50 gallon res. it works extremely well..
My tables are 4'x5' ( x4 ) with 80 plants each, my mentors use 5'x5' tables in the same fashion, however my space was limited.
the strain is killer queen in that pic, lonestars cut.
thanks
SOG