Yield:More, smaller plants. Or less, larger plants.

[CARE giver]

More, smaller plants.

or

Less, larger plants.

What produces more bud?

 

[what the]

both. It's the middle you want to stay away from.

 

[one Q]

personally I think More Smaller. this allows for more variety too.

but monocropping means a healthy mother maybe a few of each strain. This really pushes numbers up tho.

IME you gotta mix it up, grow style and strain wise. see what and who works best for what you like. I know this type of answer sucks... lol

as to WHAT THE said, if youre running SOG style then you dont want to have too FEW going as that defeats the point. If your running trees, you dont want to have TOO MANY as overcrouding lends itself to mold and other bad shit.

 

[evrchaning]

More smaller if you are talking indoors. Think even canopy. Tall plants and less plants waste more light than a compact small plant grow. Yes, a mix it up is great!

 

[what the]

Tall plants and less plants waste more light than a compact small plant grow. Yes, a mix it up is great!

Unless you're going vertical lighting Krusty style.

It just depends on how you want to do it and the space you have to work with.

 

[joe fresh]

its all about the way you want to grow..then choose a plant that suits that style....


alot of ppl try to take a plant that likes to branch out and they force it to be a one cola plant....this way they loose yield....because they are forcing the plant to grow in a way it doesnt want to.....ime always let the strain decide ....if you want to grow a big bush plant then look for a strain that branches out more...then when you top it and lst or whatever you will be increasing the yield instead of decreasing it...just my 2C

 

[dtfsux]

from what I have seen on grow logs here and my own experience, SOG has the highest yields.

 

[CARE giver]

personally I think More Smaller. this allows for more variety too.

but monocropping means a healthy mother maybe a few of each strain. This really pushes numbers up tho.

IME you gotta mix it up, grow style and strain wise. see what and who works best for what you like. I know this type of answer sucks... lol

as to WHAT THE said, if youre running SOG style then you dont want to have too FEW going as that defeats the point. If your running trees, you dont want to have TOO MANY as overcrouding lends itself to mold and other bad shit.

Thanks for the great reply. Yeah I plan to grow out 3 strains: A11, C99, and Satori which there is a question waiting for you in your thread.
My space is small though, only 30" x 18". If I grew out 2 of each strain, from clone in hydro and SCRog, I should have enough room if I flip to 12/12 right when my clones root, right?

I would + rep you but I already did a couple days ago .

More smaller if you are talking indoors. Think even canopy. Tall plants and less plants waste more light than a compact small plant grow. Yes, a mix it up is great!

Yeah I'll be SCRoging . And compact small growth is a very good description. That caught my eye first.

its all about the way you want to grow..then choose a plant that suits that style....


alot of ppl try to take a plant that likes to branch out and they force it to be a one cola plant....this way they loose yield....because they are forcing the plant to grow in a way it doesnt want to.....ime always let the strain decide ....if you want to grow a big bush plant then look for a strain that branches out more...then when you top it and lst or whatever you will be increasing the yield instead of decreasing it...just my 2C

Thanks for the input.

Unless you're going vertical lighting Krusty style.

It just depends on how you want to do it and the space you have to work with.

from what I have seen on grow logs here and my own experience, SOG has the highest yields.

Ok, great, thanks.

Thanks for helping me out on this one everyone. +rep to a few of you

 

[Strapped]

This is a nice thread, I was wondering that myself.

its all about the way you want to grow..then choose a plant that suits that style....


alot of ppl try to take a plant that likes to branch out and they force it to be a one cola plant....this way they loose yield....because they are forcing the plant to grow in a way it doesnt want to.....ime always let the strain decide ....if you want to grow a big bush plant then look for a strain that branches out more...then when you top it and lst or whatever you will be increasing the yield instead of decreasing it...just my 2C

Joe, when you say let the strain decide do you mean pick a strain and then grow the pheno that acts the way that suits your style? Or do you mean pick a strain that has those desirable characteristics? I agree with you either way, I'm just curious how to figure out which strains would work best for each situation without having to grow it out. What are some good SOG strains?

 

[one Q]

you should look at thundurkle and Drbud and those guys in the micro forum. That should help you see what is possible...

 

[newhiddengrower]

i dont agree with the poster above saying SOG yields the most.

I do 24 plants 4 lights. (not vertical)

I veg for 3 weeks


i get 10LB dried is SOG more than that?

 

[one Q]

here we goooo....

IMO you get more per year with sog, minus 2wks veg from your grows all year and you get a whole 'nother grow.

#willnotdebate

 

[newhiddengrower]

here we goooo....

IMO you get more per year with sog, minus 2wks veg from your grows all year and you get a whole 'nother grow.

#willnotdebate

sog people avg 1lb a light. When vegged 3 weeks people get 2lb a light.


But yea some pros would be that you dont need a veg room, and you dont need to veg.




1 year = 52.177457 weeks



Style based on 1 room with 4 lights.
SOG
Avg yield 1lb per light = 4lb per harvest
4lb x 6harvest = 24LB per year

Vegged
Avg Yield 2lb per light = 8lb per harvest
Vegged 3 weeks + 8 weeks flower = 11 weeks total
8lb x 5 harvest = 40lb per year

 

[High Country]

SOG, no veg time.

 

[Greyskull]

here we goooo....

IMO you get more per year with sog, minus 2wks veg from your grows all year and you get a whole 'nother grow.

#willnotdebate

but....

you dont get any "minus Xwks" if you have a healthy veg room stocked & rocking to supply the flower room with prepped individuals when the current crop is done.

granted you will need to have more room & equipment than one would need by simply keeping moms and flipping the clones sog style, but you can still be firing out crop after crop without delay at the same rate as the sog grower.

if you dont have the veg room and not sogging, then you could be lagging and losing. the veg room is the X factor/equalizer imo

but this also ties into what joe fresh said about plant type/grow style... some plants need to get bushy and be veged out to reach maximium potential/yeild (ala pre 98 bubba), and some plants throw huge colas when flipped right after rooting.... you gotta know what kind of plant you have to best maximize your rooms & grows.

 

[dtfsux]

I never got a lb a light with SOG, well maybe when I first started

A 3000 (3 1000's) watt table got me 5-6 pounds with no veg time. I had 3 of those tables and pulled every 3 weeks.

A 14,400 room (24 600's) got me around 25 pounds. And that was with huge fuckups like not enough clones, new room dialing in, etc

And that was w/o a really good strain.

I have watched alot of the larger grows here over the last 3 years. Sealed, non sealed, large plants, SOG, CO2, no CO2, etc. When I did the math on what their yields were and what mine were, sealed, CO2, SOG style was going to produce the best #'s.

I dont grow now, and if I did again, I would never go SOG, just too much work on a large scale.



As far as vegging time, I find that to be irrelevant. A flowering room should always be flowering IMO and vegging should be done elsewhere. You do not need to waste 5000 watts to veg 20-30 plants in buckets over a 12x12 area.

 

[Scrogerman]

Small Grow Cabs then ScrOG is the way to go, but if you have the space then id go for SOG, theres alot of variables to consider, it goes without saying you have to pick the right strain for whichever style you decide to go for, some strains dont go too well in a ScrOG, stay away from Indica's that have little side branching, they are more suited to SOG. Hybrids that are Sati Dom 60/40 or 70/30 ive found best for ScrOG, Good Luck & Happy Growing!

I do Like 'Heath Robinson's'(The Yield Master) Stadium Vert Grow's, they yield an incredible amount, once you have dialled that style in, that would take some beating on yield per m2 of floor space!

 

[evrchaning]

Unless you're going vertical lighting Krusty style.

It just depends on how you want to do it and the space you have to work with.

Yes it is how you grow too, and I am not familiar with vertical lighting.

 

[joe fresh]

WELL...IMO

alot of growers catagorize SOG wrong....SOG is simply where the canopy is even, and the light is not wasted(no light hits the floor)....ive seen ppl do small no veg sog with many plants, ive also seen many ppl do it with fewer plants 3 week veg and lolipop, giving short bush sog.....

either way sog means to have an even canopy and not let any light get wasted.



so yes SOG can be the best method because you are not wasting any light....but if growing taller sativas then you are likely not to be doing sog and must grow in a diff style to accomodate the taller skinnyer plant, or scrog the sativa would be better than sog, depending the strain ofcourse.

 

[Strapped]

Thanks for clarifying Joe. I didn't know that about SOG. I kind of just assumed it was just cramming a lot of plants in a smaller space. I see what you mean about taller plants not being well suited to it. I'll keep an eye out when searching strains.