feeding synthetic nuts in organic soil.

[venturablaze]

So it has pro's and con's, Would it be in any way beneficial to use both organic and synthetic, on the same run, I Guess what im really trying to inquire is since ive been feeding synthetic nut's to my plant since day one, in fox farm ocean forest, would it still be beneficial to add organics, like mollases, or earth juice, in late veg early flower. I know that some salts and other things in chem nutes can kill organic organisms, but how much, and what effect does it have on the soil. minor or major?

 

[Gdood9]

Mineral salts are only deadly to organic organisms when the salt level reaches toxicity. Mineral salts do exist in the ground naturally, just not concentrated like in the bottle. Using a feed, water, feed, water schedule will help keeping salt saturation levels down.

 

[guest2012y]

It would fail to be organic soil at the point you added Chem's.
Why not take the $$ you spend on bottled synthetic nutes and make various types of ACT and the basic AACT tea using the basic and usually commonly available organic products and keep that soil organic. It's pretty easy once you do it.
The $$ you spend and the quality of the amendments will pay for itself over and over again...leaving you with a quality organic product and some extra $$ in your pocket to roll with.

 

[Gdood9]

I agree with Capt. Cheeze1, I'm just saying it's possible. Organic all the way, well, except for silica, DE, greensand, anything with lots of silica in it, leonardite, etc...haha

 

[venturablaze]

I Know organic's can produce quality, but what about both, Basically will the nutes; big bud, kushie kush, avanced sensi a and b, and gen hydro three part, affect my soil negatively. or will it just leave it the same, assuming i avoid salt build up, or is to minor to even notice.

 

[guest2012y]

It can be done but the problems that arise and the $$ you spend to remedy them will have you seeking a better path.
15 years ago I used Black Gold and used bottled chems and Miracle Grow. The salts built up and would have an adverse effect before the plants had completed a cycle. They always wanted more to a point that it just fails. With an organic mix to start with,it may have better results...this is a "Growing in Indoor Soil Forum" trip more than an Organic soil Forum trip...those guys over there will surely know more about this stuff since most of the guys over here don't do it.

 

[big ballin 88]

Gdood,while chemicals may exist naturally in the soil there is in no way the same variety of chemicals.

ventura-The point at which you add synthetics things do start to die whether you like to believe it or not. It may not be large enough to make a difference immeadietly but it does. Earthworms literally run from sythn soil.

Your essentially cutting out the middleman by adding those synth and dont feed the microlife were after. In turn it takes out microlife dependingupon the rate and what your using. If your using smaller doses more often it still accumulates salts assuming their any of the nutrients you mentioned above.

Your immediately feeding the plant in which case you might as well stay synthetic because you will begin to see problems if you try and go all organic again. The organic nutrients need to be broken down unless their immediately available and the microlife is what helps us..

 

[venturablaze]

thanks for the advice, im new to posting on this site, so it's a little unfamilier . Im going to switch to the earth juice line, just using up the rest of my chemical nuts.

 

[NUG-JUG]

I know someone who always adds what he calls a 'phospho' boost which is basically chems during the flowering stage. It definitely makes his bud harsher..I'd do a side by side, and I'll bet all the synthetic nutes don't make up for their cost in the long run. Plus you're killing off some of the herd..

 

[Gdood9]

There's a term for combining organic and mineral nutes. It's hot-"something", I just can't remember what the last word is. Here's the thing about container gardening. A well built soil ecology takes months to build, you need to reuse soil in order to a truly strong ecology. Soil straight out of the bag doesn't have much active bacterial life, soooo, I'd say that mineral nutes wouldn't hurt that soil much, but soil that's been reused a few times that has humates and a strong soil ecology might get damaged a little, but you'd be surprised at how resilient a strong bacteria colony can be. If I were going to do it I'd just use half of what you'd normally use and mix it in with a compost tea. I put silica and leonardite in my tea mixes and I've got some of the craziest foam you've ever seen and those are minerals. If you've got foam you've got life growing in there. The only thing I've ever wondered is if the mineral salts can cut the bacteria and kill them that way.

 

[guest2012y]

thanks for the advice, im new to posting on this site, so it's a little unfamilier . Im going to switch to the earth juice line, just using up the rest of my chemical nuts.

After you kill your micro-herd with chem's,make sure you hit them with an AACT to try and bring some life back into the soil...you may never get to that point before a cycle ends,since the soil will be struggling to recover when bringing in the EJ line.
Best to just start over with a new mix and do it right form the get go.....we will help you.

 

[venturablaze]

Gdood,while chemicals may exist naturally in the soil there is in no way the same variety of chemicals.

ventura-The point at which you add synthetics things do start to die whether you like to believe it or not. It may not be large enough to make a difference immeadietly but it does. Earthworms literally run from sythn soil.

Your essentially cutting out the middleman by adding those synth and dont feed the microlife were after. In turn it takes out microlife dependingupon the rate and what your using. If your using smaller doses more often it still accumulates salts assuming their any of the nutrients you mentioned above.

Your immediately feeding the plant in which case you might as well stay synthetic because you will begin to see problems if you try and go all organic again. The organic nutrients need to be broken down unless their immediately available and the microlife is what helps us..

I guess i should add, im in 10 to 25 gallon pots, haven't added to much nuts yet, maybe 5 waterings of gen hydro, using the lucas formula, at least for the majority of my garden, started mid april. and most still in veg.

 

[venturablaze]

thanks for all the help.

 

[Gdood9]

Gdood,while chemicals may exist naturally in the soil there is in no way the same variety of chemicals.

ventura-The point at which you add synthetics things do start to die whether you like to believe it or not. It may not be large enough to make a difference immeadietly but it does. Earthworms literally run from sythn soil.

Your essentially cutting out the middleman by adding those synth and dont feed the microlife were after. In turn it takes out microlife dependingupon the rate and what your using. If your using smaller doses more often it still accumulates salts assuming their any of the nutrients you mentioned above.

Your immediately feeding the plant in which case you might as well stay synthetic because you will begin to see problems if you try and go all organic again. The organic nutrients need to be broken down unless their immediately available and the microlife is what helps us..

I was talking about mixing mineral salt nutes and organic nutes. You still feed the micro-life with organic nutes.

What do you think these chem nutes are, windex or something? Dude, nitrogen is nitrogen is nitrogen, this is just in the form of mineral salts which do occur naturally, just not concentrated like in a bottle. Silica is a mineral nute and people add that to their tea's. The salt's have to build up to a toxicity level.

I don't use this method, but it can be done. I use AACT.

 

[Gdood9]

If I was going to use mineral salt nutes exclusively I would grow in a soiless mix like pro-mix or go straight hydro anyway, but combining organic and mineral salts in soil can be done and it will not kill your micro herd unless you build up to toxic levels.

 

[Gdood9]

I've even done this before, I just choose to grow organic because it's cheaper. I can make up tons of tea for super cheap from dry organic ferts.

 

[big ballin 88]

I'm one of many users of Dyna Gro Pro TeKt. The reason i use it foliarly is because plants dont typically uptake silica not to mention i live in a hot climate. The reason your mix foamed so much is because of its ability to work as a surfactant.

Do what you want with your plants, i use Azomite and that gives me all the trace minerals i need. I have no need to spend extra money on watered down salt.

You might not want to post so many times consecutively either, its annoys people. You should just edit your original post or try to make a single post. I think the answers your looking for can be found on the indoor-soil forum better than here.

 

[venturablaze]

yep

 

[Gdood9]

I'm one of many users of Dyna Gro Pro TeKt. The reason i use it foliarly is because plants dont typically uptake silica not to mention i live in a hot climate. The reason your mix foamed so much is because of its ability to work as a surfactant.

Do what you want with your plants, i use Azomite and that gives me all the trace minerals i need. I have no need to spend extra money on watered down salt.

You might not want to post so many times consecutively either, its annoys people. You should just edit your original post or try to make a single post. I think the answers your looking for can be found on the indoor-soil forum better than here.

My tea mix doesn't foam from it's ability to work as a surfactant. There's living biology in my tea, it's multiplying and as they multiply the bacteria release gasses. That's why you get foam. Aerobic reactions bro. I'm talking about drenching not spraying.

Azomite is good stuff.

Yea, ok, annoy people. Whatever man.

 

[guest2012y]

I like the idea of aact, but it would be to difficult to implement to my current situation, i have access to water, but no res, or electricity at my spot, and its a pretty far hike. this is very intresting stuff, It makes me want to take microbiology classes and fully comprehend all aspects of whats going on in soil, with what you guys are saying though, i will switch some plants to an all organic schedule and hope it has time to develop. Ive got fulvic acid i could add, would that help?

You could always make a concentrated AACT and hike it in,then dilute it and apply. A couple gallons could go a long way depending on the concentration and attention to the brewing process.