hilarious! I actually thought I was trying to see this from all sides, hence my post defending walmarts action. My view was the only differing view here!
PEACE!
ACLU Sues Wal-Mart for firing cannabis employee.
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White-rhino
Member
It'd be nice to see how this case turned out. If it did, because its very similar:
http://hr.blr.com/newsAlternate.aspx?category=6&topic=11&id=10247
In January 2003, a company drug test turned up Xanax in Veltri's system, leading to her dismissal, according to the lawsuit.
Joining Veltri in filing the suit on August 4 was an activist group, the American Association of People with Disabilities. They accuse UPS of creating a hostile work environment and harassing her on the basis of disability.
In fact, the suit also requests class-action status for various groups of UPS employees:
•those in an Employee Assistance Program who had to disclose what prescription medicines they take;
•workers made to supply urine samples that were tested for legal prescription drugs;
•workers the company prohibited from using physician-prescribed medicines;
•workers fired for using those prescriptions; and
•workers subjected to a hostile work environment for using prescribed medicines.
The association and Veltri are seeking lost pay and benefits, along with compensatory damages, on her behalf and other unnamed employees who don't perform "safety-sensitive" jobs like driving.
Malcolm Berkley, a spokesman for UPS in Atlanta, told the Associated Press that the company would not comment on the suit. But he added that.UPS has an anti-discrimination policy and wasn't unfair to anyone with a disability.
http://hr.blr.com/newsAlternate.aspx?category=6&topic=11&id=10247
In January 2003, a company drug test turned up Xanax in Veltri's system, leading to her dismissal, according to the lawsuit.
Joining Veltri in filing the suit on August 4 was an activist group, the American Association of People with Disabilities. They accuse UPS of creating a hostile work environment and harassing her on the basis of disability.
In fact, the suit also requests class-action status for various groups of UPS employees:
•those in an Employee Assistance Program who had to disclose what prescription medicines they take;
•workers made to supply urine samples that were tested for legal prescription drugs;
•workers the company prohibited from using physician-prescribed medicines;
•workers fired for using those prescriptions; and
•workers subjected to a hostile work environment for using prescribed medicines.
The association and Veltri are seeking lost pay and benefits, along with compensatory damages, on her behalf and other unnamed employees who don't perform "safety-sensitive" jobs like driving.
Malcolm Berkley, a spokesman for UPS in Atlanta, told the Associated Press that the company would not comment on the suit. But he added that.UPS has an anti-discrimination policy and wasn't unfair to anyone with a disability.
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CANNATOPIA
I hope they win! 
GO ACLU
GO ACLU
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JackTheGrower
hilarious! I actually thought I was trying to see this from all sides, hence my post defending Walmart's action. My view was the only differing view here!
PEACE!
What I read and understood was a personal labelling of one man as something less than a normal person.
Have a reread of your first post.
I thought you might notice how people automatically separate the weak and vulnerable into an object of ridicule in order to be a member of the Strong. It's a social behaviour many folks are mostly unconscious of because of habit.
Why is it that we first seek align ourselves with the "Bully" and then find humor in the oppression of the victim?
You used the term Clutz instead of the man's name for example ( Joseph Casias ). It's a behaviour I was commenting on in the post about change here previously in this thread.
So would I employ the man? Yes I would. Can anyone have a job related injury and not be to fault? Yes they can.
I had Carpel Tunnel injury from doing the work I was assigned once. It wasn't my fault. I was not the first in my job position to get that injury. I was detained and if not for the Union I would have been fired.
Let us put a face to this discussion. We need to see that a Human life, a productive worker and a Man suffering with Cancer looks like our friends, family or neighbors. He is one of us to say the least.
I will quote Martin Niemöller for a contrast on our compassion for a fellow Cannabis Medical Person.
Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
Do you see my point of view 2-COOH?
Be well friend.
Admiral Canna
Member
GO Joseph Casias and the ACLU!!!!!!!!!!!
And fuck Walmart. They should be boycotted.....but there are few other places with such pricing and selection.....and they can do it cuz they fuck their employees and proving lots of shitty jobs.
And fuck Walmart. They should be boycotted.....but there are few other places with such pricing and selection.....and they can do it cuz they fuck their employees and proving lots of shitty jobs.
treewizard
Member
Exactly, a large portion of Wal-Mart employees receive some sort of government assistance due to low wages and inadequate benefits. Then of course there is the whole desertification of main street which means less middle class jobs. Fuck Wal-Mart!
I worked at a warehouse filling orders for cosmetics sales reps. They have you doing the same motions over and over. Just to keep up you would have to grab stacks of catalogs that you could just barely fit your hand around. I saw people that got hired on the same time I did getting carpel tunnel. Then I started showing symptoms.
Lower wage jobs treat you like cattle. I'm not a fan of xanax but I've known some folks who couldn't function without it. Why do these places feel like they own us outside of work? Welcome to the USA corp.
I worked at a warehouse filling orders for cosmetics sales reps. They have you doing the same motions over and over. Just to keep up you would have to grab stacks of catalogs that you could just barely fit your hand around. I saw people that got hired on the same time I did getting carpel tunnel. Then I started showing symptoms.
Lower wage jobs treat you like cattle. I'm not a fan of xanax but I've known some folks who couldn't function without it. Why do these places feel like they own us outside of work? Welcome to the USA corp.
Wal-mart does not exist in a vacuum, and they actually provide a service to the poor as a portal to China. I am usually not a fan of the ACLU, as they seek to subvert religion at any chance, but sometimes they advocate for worthwhile causes. The point of this case is to draw attention to MJ as a medicine, which just might raise awareness overall.
I find some hypocrisy in people that preach for MJ rights but also clamor for labor laws. You want the government to stay out of our private lives but dictate the workplace??? It might be a bitch to some, but most of the unemployed and underemployed are simply unhireable. There are plenty of jobs out there if you have the skills, which usually involve math or science.
The internet is an unlimited fountain of knowledge, but most only stop for a quick sip. With dedication, one can retool their skill set for the 21st century. If not, be prepared to accept whatever is put before you, and don't forget to say "Please sir, may I have some more"...
WFF
I find some hypocrisy in people that preach for MJ rights but also clamor for labor laws. You want the government to stay out of our private lives but dictate the workplace??? It might be a bitch to some, but most of the unemployed and underemployed are simply unhireable. There are plenty of jobs out there if you have the skills, which usually involve math or science.
The internet is an unlimited fountain of knowledge, but most only stop for a quick sip. With dedication, one can retool their skill set for the 21st century. If not, be prepared to accept whatever is put before you, and don't forget to say "Please sir, may I have some more"...
WFF
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JackTheGrower
The path I was following WaterFarmFan was the Civil rights aspect. Sure we can focus on the Employment aspect but what about the People and Freedom aspect?
We may be seeing that we have been and are trained to defend Fascism by always defending big business over Civil Liberties.
This a chance for everyone to look inside and see where they stand on Cannabis Freedom.
We may be seeing that we have been and are trained to defend Fascism by always defending big business over Civil Liberties.
This a chance for everyone to look inside and see where they stand on Cannabis Freedom.
No worries Jack. We MJ growers are a feisty group that tends to lead instead of follow...
WFF
WFF
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JackTheGrower
What is curious is the lack of contribution from our Progenitors of communication here and the Staff known as Moderators.
I suggest that there is a time for all good people to come to the aid of their community.
I don't know of a more beneficial time to be proactive...
Put the Pipe down friends...
See the Gravity of reality this time...
Many Blessings and Be well..
Ernst
I suggest that there is a time for all good people to come to the aid of their community.
I don't know of a more beneficial time to be proactive...
Put the Pipe down friends...
See the Gravity of reality this time...
Many Blessings and Be well..
Ernst
Suing on what grounds? As far as I know WalMart is considered at will employment, and he can be fired for any reason whatsoever. They could just as well fire someone for NOT failing a drug test.
If the ACLU wants to foot the bill for the lawsuit, more power to them. But it seems to me, if he has a condition that prevents gainfull employment (by virtue of failing a drug test) he should also be suing for possible workmans comp. and SSI disability benefits for the rest of his life, which probably equal Walmart pay anyway.
If everyone who was fired for failing the drug test after procuring a legal prescription sued for Workmans comp, and/or SSI disability and won, I'm sure the laws would change real quick
On the grounds of the Michigan state law...take a look.
Rule 333.127 Management of medical marihuana.
Rule 27. (1) A qualifying patient who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for the medical use of marihuana in accordance with the act, if the qualifying patient possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed the following:
(a) Two and one-half (2.5) ounces of usable marihuana.
(b) If the qualifying patient has not specified that a primary caregiver
will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying
patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility.
(c) Any incidental amount of seeds, stalks, and roots.
This guy wasn't breaking any law....but oops...Wal-Mart did.
dank.Frank
I have been high at work for my whole life and always was a good and hardworking employee. If I smoke a bowl, it does not make me walk around stumbling. It does not make me drool. It does not make me lose my hand eye coordination. It does not make me more accident prone. It does not make me dangerous.
It just allows me to have a much nicer day.
Indeed, but I think there are a few jobs that deal with public safety, such as airline pilots, that I do not want them smoking out. 98% of jobs do not fit this requirement. I agree 1000% that MJ is not a detriment to working for the "trained" smoker...
WFF
Very well said Jack!
A few too many of these creepy bullies hiding behind their keyboards these days - a bit of gentle reminding of where it's at is very welcome.
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JackTheGrower
I think we all agree that flying aircraft or Semi-trucks for example are not the places to be smoking.
But is there danger in a pilot who smoked a phatty on vacation a week ago?
So yes we need folks willing to sacrifice for the greater good but I wouldn't mind if my pilot smoked a phatty and got laid on his vacation.
Well I comment in a mode of humor.. I doubt I want to fly Taliban air either as religion is another wacky drug from my point of view.
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JackTheGrower
I have to say work isn't the place to party and I know what you mean by not being unable to function. I actually agree with that and site the example of Driving tests where those smoking weed slow down and are more cautious and their "Drinker" test drivers sped up and lost motor skills and cognitive skills.
So we will differ on that. I am sure you are a fine person. No disrespect meant.
My point of view is there is a difference between consuming intoxicants before work or during and after work but I damn well believe that being fired for testing positive because someone had Cannabis on the days off is dead wrong.
Hey I have asked the Anti-Cannabis folks here locally that if they had to choose which car would they get in.. The Drinker's or the Toker's.. Mostly I get dirty looks when I ask this and some say good point.
Some decide to ignore the "if you had to choose" and say neither then I ask who would they rather share the road with.. That usually gets the point across.. But even a small few want to take a cognitive pass on this.. So I ask If we care so much why do we allow bars to have parking lots? That's when they usually walk away grunting.
Again no disrespect meant but I do stand for workplace safety but not workplace Drug court with an Economic punishment for responsible use of Cannabis.
tequila_sunrise
Active member
HELL YES
who goes to the bar and says "I think I will have two drinks and take it easy, maybe watch the game..." or should I say actually does
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Bazarocka
Its The ACLU that supports Immigration,,,,,,,,,,,,aawwwwww Forget It.
And Fluck Walmart..........Communist Supporting Rotten Rollback Deal Motherfluckers.
Can't Find Anything "Not MADE IN CHINA" in their store any more. Well almost anything.
And Fluck Walmart..........Communist Supporting Rotten Rollback Deal Motherfluckers.
Can't Find Anything "Not MADE IN CHINA" in their store any more. Well almost anything.
I guess I just don't think of using cannabis as 'partying' Jack. I mean yeah, back when I was 18, but my mind hasn't associated it with a party for most of my adult life, which is considerable.
I think we have common ground; I'm all for job safety, but find that it's idiots who don't have to be stoned, and plain old ordinary accidents, that cause most on the job injuries in my experience.
While there may be a need in some occupations where 'safety' is involved, the laws and rules always go to the more restrictive side. I remember debates about OSHA and job safety, then states started changing the names of the state cops like highway patrol to things like 'Department of Public Safety' and I made a statement back in the early 80s that ALL of our freedoms can and someday will be taken and re dispensed to us through licensing and job restrictions and numerous other methods.
Keep pushing for more and they will make it so we can never get high without someone knowing, and we'll be permanently unemployable, for any job. idk, maybe not, I tend to think that government, at heart, really just wants to continuously exert more and more control over people's lives, while keeping us believing that we're free because we can go to the store and get a soda anytime we want.
I guess you only smoke in the evening after work huh?
Of course, it doesn't matter, because what happens will have not one single thing to do with my opinion. You know, blade of grass in a field and all that.
