Question about harvest time and

[Penguin59]

Hey guys,

I've always heard that after THC production has peaked in the plant and the trichomes are starting turning amber, the THC degrades into more CBD and the high is a more body stone. I've also heard that sativas strains give you a soaring head high.

I'm just wondering if anybody could tell me just how much the high is affected when say i harvest a pure sativa strain like 'power plant' a bit after the peak harvest time. Would the high be decidedly indica like or still be sativa-ish?

Penguin

 

[simon]

The nature of the strain, itself, has a greater influence on the outcome than the shading of its trichs.

Simon

 

[Xtensity]

THC does not degrade into CBD(Cannabidiol), THC oxidizes/degrades into CBN(Cannabinol), which is about 10% the potency of THC.

CBD is what gives majority of indica strains the medical properties, good for sleeping, relaxing, etc.. CBN tends to make the user feel more messed up. CBN is what we want to avoid. We avoid CBN by storing our bud in dark places(away from light) and preferably in a seal container to prevent oxygen from coming in. We of course dry our buds in a well ventilated place but this is so we can allow the moisture to escape; we keep the buds in the dark to prevent oxidation, which basically lowers the quality/potency of the weed.


This link is pretty informative
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mj028.htm

What affects the types of highs are the ratio of which the various cannabinoids are present. Each of the major ones have their own affect on the high. I don't like classifying weed as simply weed when it's grown, because you can get completely different highs from different strains.

The ratio at which various cannabinoids are produced are largely in the genetics. So if you have a pure sativa dominant, good luck trying to get it to put out an idica high; it may be possible but it would have to go way past ripeness and a lot of the THC would degrade over the extra growth time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CB1_receptor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CB2_receptor

There's other sites you can search to learn what each cananbinoid's affect is on the high and how they interact with the THC at the CB receptors

 

[synchro.surfer]

I recently went to a friends house where he was drying his buds in the same room he was flowering @ 12/12.

I said "I hear that drying you bud in the light degrades the quality"

He just kind of gave me a shrug and seeing as he is older I left it at that...

thoughts ??

 

[rocky5]

I recently went to a friends house where he was drying his buds in the same room he was flowering @ 12/12.

I said "I hear that drying you bud in the light degrades the quality"

He just kind of gave me a shrug and seeing as he is older I left it at that...

thoughts ??

i think thats the way the vietnimese gangs dry it.
it will dry to quick.

 

[synchro.surfer]

lol

he'll laugh his ass off when I tell him that

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

Like 'Simon says', the genetics determine the kind of high more than the time of harvest. I want to second that, and add a much before the more.

 

[asstastic]

THC does not degrade into CBD(Cannabidiol), THC oxidizes/degrades into CBN(Cannabinol), which is about 10% the potency of THC.

CBD is what gives majority of indica strains the medical properties, good for sleeping, relaxing, etc.. CBN tends to make the user feel more messed up. CBN is what we want to avoid. We avoid CBN by storing our bud in dark places(away from light) and preferably in a seal container to prevent oxygen from coming in. We of course dry our buds in a well ventilated place but this is so we can allow the moisture to escape; we keep the buds in the dark to prevent oxidation, which basically lowers the quality/potency of the weed.

ok confusing correct me if im wrong about cbn just hear me out
cbn causes couch lock
you achive couch lock by letting the trikes turn from thc to cbn
couch lock weed is what most would concider the better high

this i read here on icmag
the reason sativa feels racy compared to indica is cuz sativa generates thc faster than it degrades leaving your end product high in thc
so op is suggesting that if you leave sativas thc to degrade would it be super couch lock
and the answers no cuz they both have the same amount of degradable trikes just different rates at which they degrade i hope this helps

 

[Xtensity]

ok confusing correct me if im wrong about cbn just hear me out
cbn causes couch lock
you achive couch lock by letting the trikes turn from thc to cbn
couch lock weed is what most would concider the better high

this i read here on icmag
the reason sativa feels racy compared to indica is cuz sativa generates thc faster than it degrades leaving your end product high in thc
so op is suggesting that if you leave sativas thc to degrade would it be super couch lock
and the answers no cuz they both have the same amount of degradable trikes just different rates at which they degrade i hope this helps

Unless you have a link to back up what you're saying. Research on drying and why we dry in dark areas. We dry in dark areas, largely for the reason to PREVENT the degradation of THC which is degrading/oxidizing into CBN. Leaving your buds to dry in the light does not make them more potent, it speeds up the oxidation of the THC which lowers the potency.

Though, you could be right to some degree.... The THC does change in the trichs to amber, which I read is it being degraded..... Though at the same time we don't dry in the light to prevent this.

I think we're both right, but we're also both wrong on a certain level :S

Indica....higher CBD than THC equals heavier, sleepy type of high.

Sativa....higher THC than CBD equals cerebral, soaring type of high, more energetic Yield is usually lower than Indica, but is very potent.

http://www.growery.org/3032/Indica-Sativa-Whats-the-difference

I know CBD is an isomer of THC meaning they both have the same molecular formula, just a different structure. Maybe it's CBN that does give you the couchlock and not CBD, but CBD is what gives indicas there large medicinal benefits. Meaning high CBD in potent indicas may not produce any couch lock if harvested before most amber trichs show up.

It may be that CBD isn't really visible much in the trichs. It may be a heavy indica known for producing large CBD amounts can be harvested early so there is very little amber trichs, yet still give a good body high.


Anyone know?

 

[asstastic]

i did not mean to affend you if i did
no need for me to put up a link cuz i agree with you i was just bring up what i read cuz i think it came out of a stikey

i rember a post saying the only reason to use trikes to judge harvest time is cuz once trikes are 50% amber/degraded/oxidised they are at there highest level of thc not cuz the degrading of the thc into cbn makes weed better
and thats where every one is confused
but i totaly get it now thanks to that first link and that post i just rembered
edit: well not totaly

 

[Xtensity]

i did not mean to affend you if i did
no need for me to put up a link cuz i agree with you i was just bring up what i read cuz i think it came out of a stikey

i rember a post saying the only reason to use trikes to judge harvest time is cuz once trikes are 50% amber/degraded/oxidised they are at there highest level of thc not cuz the degrading of the thc into cbn makes weed better
and thats where every one is confused
but i totaly get it now thanks to that first link and that post i just rembered
edit: well not totaly

Don't worry, I don't get offended online lol. I'm actually glad for your post because it made me realize something. I'm actually going to be doing more research into the processes of all these, and hopefully find some more definitive information on CBD and CBN.

So if someone WANTS a couchlock high, then CBN is desired? That would also mean drying in a non-dark area would also be desired? Possibly even letting plants go far beyond potential harvest time? Anyone have clarification on this?

Something seems very off about this, just not sure what. I'm glad you posted that previous post cause it made be think and realize something I missed before. I'm going to go research a bit more into it .

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

IMO... Sativas, outdoors, left to go "a bit over" are often better than when they are taken at the conventional, advertised harvest date, you will never really know unless you take a staged, labelled harvest with photos to illustrate/document the stage of bud development. 80 days for one crop is not always the same as another 80 days, same garden, clone, etc. Environment, the moon etc effects your crop.

 

[asstastic]

IMO... Sativas, outdoors, left to go "a bit over" are often better than when they are taken at the conventional, advertised harvest date, you will never really know unless you take a staged, labelled harvest with photos to illustrate/document the stage of bud development. 80 days for one crop is not always the same as another 80 days, same garden, clone, etc. Environment, the moon etc effects your crop.

i think what weve discovered is "going over" is actually harvesting on time
and the weeds good cuz of high thc levals(potency) not cbn
cbn only turns trikes amber and when half of the trikes are amber then the plant has achived its highest potency and will only lose potency from there on as trikes all degrade and thats why we dry in the dark

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

i think what weve discovered is "going over" is actually harvesting on time
and the weeds good cuz of high thc levals(potency) not cbn
cbn only turns trikes amber and when half of the trikes are amber then the plant has achived its highest potency and will only lose potency from there on as trikes all degrade and thats why we dry in the dark

Yes, almost all the weed I ever see is taken too young, cant remember ever seeing an indoor one taken too late, outdoor, a few, but really that was due to the environment.

 

[Kanye WeED]

very in formative thread....def kept me from posting the same question.....if i may add one thing tho im very surprised that no one mentioned looking at the trichs with a microscope....i dont know if that is because the discussion has and was already about when to harvest at peak or a lil after....what i have been doing is just harvesting when damn near all the hairs are turnt to the maturing color.....

from this i have still been expierencing couch lock....i woul;d so much rather expierence the dream like state....so im guessing that this would depend on the strain and the amount of cbd....and not cbn correct......so is there a way that u can harvest for cbn....and thc at the same time???? considering u take that into consideration while choosing the strain!