unhealthy old roots in DWC after transplant

[The Mud Shark]

Hola,

Mud Shark med grower here

The process:

clones taken from banzai mom into DIY bubble cloner ---> establish roots ---> transplant into veg mini-DWC in 3" net pots/hydroton ---> establish roots ---> Prune and train until room in flower chamber ---> transplant into 6" netpots/hydroton 5 gal DWV --->establish roots and flower away.

STRAINS: Nirvana Ice and Nirvana White Rhino

5 GAL DWC: PbP Flower, Cal-Mag+, Florolicious +, Williams Wonder Dust, Hygrozyme and a bit of B-1 during transplants.

Minifridge for veg and cloning

Small closet space 400W MH or HPS depending on cycle. Temps a bit high but have yields are solid and no pests or fungus

THE PROBLEM: my old root system looks ragged and dark, maybe getting into root rot. However, the new grow is white and pristine.

Can I chop off the haggered old root system with a major stunt in growth? The new roots are popping like crazy, but the older roots are gross and unhealthy. I am pretty aggressive in training the canopy, but have never messed with the roots system.

 

[HybridHydro]

Just do what Haps said. My solution is/was to stupid and complicated

 

[Haps]

Draw a bucket of tap water, with the chlorine still in it. Gently dip the roots into the water three times, then gently massage the roots underwater with clean hands. Any damaged roots should come away from the root mass, and roots that are just nute stained, or starting to get rrot, will clean up and look healthy. Gently massaging helps the roots, and is less shocking than cutting, although that can work to.

Put the cleaned clones into a clean res. I have done this for over three years, works like a charm.
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[HybridHydro]

Tried and it works awesome. Thanks Haps!

 

[extreegrowerrr]

Draw a bucket of tap water, with the chlorine still in it. Gently dip the roots into the water three times, then gently massage the roots underwater with clean hands. Any damaged roots should come away from the root mass, and roots that are just nute stained, or starting to get rrot, will clean up and look healthy. Gently massaging helps the roots, and is less shocking than cutting, although that can work to.

Put the cleaned clones into a clean res. I have done this for over three years, works like a charm.
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took the words out of mouth...this is what i do as well!

 

[Japanfreakier]

Tried and it works awesome. Thanks Haps!

Just curious, in that other thread you were saying that you never got root rot, nothing to worry about. So why would you need to treat your roots like this?

 

[Haps]

It is a preventative JF, no one can prevent rrot from starting in plants here and there even in clean situations. I see the start of rrot in my veg tubs, which are similar in basic design to your tubs, but just dwc. I see this if leaf gets in the res, or it gets too hot. I used to see it in my bloom tubs my first year, which is why I worked on a method to get rid of it and prevent it as much as is possible.

I do not see rrot in my tidal systems, basically tuned up e&f buckets, because I remove any beginnings of it before transplanting into this cleaned units. It will start even there if a plant gets shut out of the light by another plant and it's defenses weaken. But even with shared water, it does not spread to other buckets, even though the bacteria have to be available in the water. I do not see it impacting my blooms beyond that, although I will keep watching to prevent it.
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[Japanfreakier]

Well hybridhydro fest up and admitted that he actually did get root rot. Seems he doesn't believe DWC is prone to root rot even though he got it in E&F.

 

[HybridHydro]

Wow, you are such an ass, I never said that DWC wasn't prone to root rot, I said that I've never had it, in that system, ever, that I've never worried about it because I've never had it.

The ebb and flow table I run that was RECENTLY set up for CLONING although has gotten root rot, it is a home made little jobby all the bugs aren't worked out yet and it was my first time cloning, usually I start from seed directly in my DWC bubble buckets. No biggy, I had some leaves die off a bit, and the chamber is humid, to help with cloning... IMAGINE THAT?!?!

Now, I am going to leave this thread to post elsewhere.

 

[HybridHydro]

This is fun, I am just going to let you keep on thinking that I don't believe that root rot can occur in DWC, even though I never said it nor ever implied it, however I did say that I have never got root rot in MY SYSTEM(in THAT entirely seperate thread that is irrelevant to what we're discussing now), which was about DWC and a Resevoir, until you brought up "heat problems, root rot, Low dissolved oxygen" and all these issues that had nothing to do with ANYTHING, nor my SYSTEM.) as ROOT Rot wasn't even an issue in the other thread til you brought it up and then you showed up here, continuing with the same bullshit, and as for the ebb and flow table, its a home made cloning table... its my first time cloning... some of the leaves died and fell in the water.. they rotted... causing a bit of root rot.. because well, the chamber that it is in is a bit HUMID...

 

[Japanfreakier]

Wow, you are such an ass, I never said that DWC wasn't prone to root rot

Here is me talking about dwc

Keep in mind, if you aren't using a pump the water in the connection parts will become stale and greatly increase your risk of root rot.

And here is your reply

Not saying your wrong, absolutely every consideration should be taken into account, just saying its a minimal worry.

and here

I can sit here all day and make up false dilemma's in an effort to put down other peoples projects but thats not what this site is intended for.

Every time I tried to warn that dwc + warm temps is a danger you went out of your way to say you never got it....till I saw you in here.

Listen, just stop insisting root rot is not a risk when you yourself have got it. I know you think it's the E&F fault.....but it's not.

 

[Japanfreakier]

This is fun, I am just going to let you keep on thinking that I don't believe that root rot can occur in DWC, even though I never said it nor ever implied it, however I did say that I have never got root rot in MY SYSTEM(in THAT entirely seperate thread that is irrelevant to what we're discussing now), which was about DWC and a Resevoir, until you brought up "heat problems, root rot, Low dissolved oxygen" and all these issues that had nothing to do with ANYTHING, nor my SYSTEM.)

See that's your problem, nobody was talking about your system. We're telling the guy who grows in near 100F temps he needed to worry about it and you kept on talking about your system, defending your methods. I was never talking about you, you put up a pic of a system and I pointed out it wouldn't be good for the thread starter and you got all ass hurt. But since you recently got root rot in one system I don't think it will be long before you get it in your other systems with your methods.

 

[HybridHydro]

JustFreakin wrote: Every time I tried to warn that dwc + warm temps is a danger <--- and each time you did I kept telling you that warm TEMPS AREN'T A PROBLEM IN MY GROW, I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT ANYONE ELSES GROW.

Why would I be talking about anyone elses grow when you were pointing out false dillema's in MY grow?

 

[HybridHydro]

Here we go idiot...

Japanfreakier wrote: Keep in mind, if you aren't using a pump the water in the connection parts will become stale and greatly increase your risk of root rot.

my 2nd post in the entire thread post #20 : JapanFreakier, "in my system" the water is used to fast to become stale, the aeration in the resevoir is enough to cut off any worry about stale water.

Not saying your wrong, absolutely every consideration should be taken into account, just saying its a minimal worry.



Are you going to deny that I was talking about MY system? In fact I went out of my fucking way to say "Hey yah know what, its a possibility" but in my system it is a MINIMAL worry.


Thats the whole point you fucking moron, I TRIED being nice to you, this was your response to my post:

JapanFreakier wrote: I see black tubes on the floor which would certainly get room temp within minutes in that pic. (which are blue food grade acrylic.)

My response: Room temperature stays below 80 degrees, I love basements....
And as you can see from the other pictures, my plants aren't suffering because of it. The "black tubing" is actually blue clear acrylic tubing, which makes nor breaks anything. I've been using this system for years now and have had not a single problem with stagnant water, or root rot, or any other problem.

Your 3rd response: Just because it works for you doesn't mean it will for others. Some people never get root rot even with warm temps. Kind of like running with scissors in your hand and then recommending it to people.

Now any half educated person can see whats taking place here, that is, everyone but you, the troll.

Now really, this is the last time I am speaking towards you, or ever typing your nick, or responding to your freakin utter stupidity. Have a nice life.

 

[Japanfreakier]

I would hope that you would be talking about the thread starter's garden, you know, the guy who grows in much warmer temps than you? Pretty foolish to put your own garden up as proof that one doesn't need to worry about root rot when you're garden is about 30 degrees cooler than the thread starter's. I noticed you thought another person was talking to you when they weren't as well. It's not about you, but you don't get it.

Seriously go back and read the thread, but this time stop reading it like I'm attacking you, and realize I was telling the thread starter the risks your system has. Hopefully you'll realize that if you got rot in your E&F in the same basement you have a good chance of getting it in your dwc as well.

 

[SumDumGuy]

Draw a bucket of tap water, with the chlorine still in it. Gently dip the roots into the water three times, then gently massage the roots underwater with clean hands. Any damaged roots should come away from the root mass, and roots that are just nute stained, or starting to get rrot, will clean up and look healthy. Gently massaging helps the roots, and is less shocking than cutting, although that can work to.

Put the cleaned clones into a clean res. I have done this for over three years, works like a charm.
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Nice Haps!

I used to be brutal by drawing pressurized water at the system clearing away the dead and retaining the healthy and it always worked but again this is very intrusive and the pressure of the water is most important (Cant be too strong)

I love Haps method because it genuinely is TLC. A little hydrogen peroxide in the mix will help too.

 

[dmt]

i know guys that just cut them away like you would the main brinch to fimm them, they claim each cut ened will grow into 2.

i would add h202 to the dunk solution to be axtra cuatious, good luck, d

 

[smoke1sun]

Are you two gonna screw up another thread with this ridiculous argument.

Japan get over it!!!!!!!!!

What he does works for him, you proved "your point" in the other thread. It no advised to work under the conditions you think this grower works under. We got it.

But you dont gotta take this to every thread this person post in.
LIG it.
Let It Go

Haps k+++++ good info saving to my hard dive

 

[Japanfreakier]

I already let it go, just thought it was funny to see him here after the claims he made in the other thread. Wait...not claims, when he said he never got rot he really meant to say in that system. What he does got him root rot and a .2 gpw so I guess that works for him.