How to organically add nitrogen?

[JackTheGrower]

I have a condition in my tumbler that I know I have N and yet the temps went down.. <Head-Scratch> So rather than add rice I went and picked up gelatin. So lets see if Gelatin is a quick Carbon.

I never thought about "Quick Carbon" I mean Guano we all can agree is Quick Nitrogen.

It's in the 85 degree range at 13 hundred hours.. I'll check back in a few and see if it rises.

We all learn all the time..

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5 minutes later it's past 90. I believe there is such a ting as quick Carbon now.. I'll watch it for a few and see how high it goes.

Since I can believe that all the easy carbon can be bound with nitrogen and that creates an excess nitrogen situation adding quick carbon seems to be a solution.
That's the theory today.

 

[JackTheGrower]

I can only find alfalfa sprouts and they cost a lot.

Health food stores will have alfalfa seeds and other seeds too.

 

[fonzee]

That's a good question. I don't know everything but here is a PDF that seems to say things better than I have been.



http://www1.naturvetenskap.lu.se/examensarbeten/biologi/041208same.pdf

Ahh.. I have been counting on cellulose ( wood ) but gelatin? I actually have too much N in my tumbler today and want to add more C so instead of rice I may try gelatin... LOL

Basically Carbon rich and nitrogen rich materials in proportion. You will do better to Google composting than count on me. I count on Google..
http://www.ehow.com/how_3541_begin-compost-pile.html and such.

I guess I used a 1 green to 2 brown ratio, or something close. Didn't watch it too closely.
I will add more greens to my current batch of compost (which is a 5L bin with holes in the sides which I shake every now and then)
My worm humus is worm castings with probably manure compost. Don't know if thats a green or brown rich but the ratings at the back of the bag show a pretty balanced NPK.

Wouldn't gelatin clog some parts preventing air to reach?

I have a condition in my tumbler that I know I have N and yet the temps went down.. <Head-Scratch> So rather than add rice I went and picked up gelatin. So lets see if Gelatin is a quick Carbon.

I never thought about "Quick Carbon" I mean Guano we all can agree is Quick Nitrogen.

It's in the 85 degree range at 13 hundred hours.. I'll check back in a few and see if it rises.

We all learn all the time..

----

5 minutes later it's past 90. I believe there is such a ting as quick Carbon now.. I'll watch it for a few and see how high it goes.

Since I can believe that all the easy carbon can be bound with nitrogen and that creates an excess nitrogen situation adding quick carbon seems to be a solution.
That's the theory today.

I lost you but it seems that if you lack the green part you can add gelatin.


Anyhow, I don't think I have enough time to make a new compost batch by the time the plant will need it. I've added the worm humus on top of the medium to bring back some microthings. I'll try to get some alfalfa dust.

Health food stores will have alfalfa seeds and other seeds too.

Should i use the seeds of the "hay"?
Anyhow, health food stores charge way more than I'm willing to pay.
Next time I visit a Kibutz I'll pick some horse food and ferment it.

 

[JackTheGrower]

I guess I used a 1 green to 2 brown ratio, or something close. Didn't watch it too closely.
I will add more greens to my current batch of compost (which is a 5L bin with holes in the sides which I shake every now and then)
My worm humus is worm castings with probably manure compost. Don't know if that's a green or brown rich but the ratings at the back of the bag show a pretty balanced NPK.

The worm castings will more than likely be a good additive after the compost is done.

Wouldn't gelatin clog some parts preventing air to reach?


I lost you but it seems that if you lack the green part you can add gelatin.

I kinda lost myself. Something went south on this composting in that it has settled down to a "Steady" range of 90 - 100 when I was trying to get it to crank up to 120+ again.

The gelatin is a brown from what i read. I just read about it in a PDF and I have to see it in action. Oh I learned something today.

On the clog. No not really. Oh and I wanted to say Rice flour is sold in the store.

See us organic gardeners share and no one is above learning something new. http://www1.naturvetenskap.lu.se/examensarbeten/biologi/041208same.pdf

Hey I will work with you. I like it that you are trying and honest about it. If I can help you you can help another later.

Anyhow, I don't think I have enough time to make a new compost batch by the time the plant will need it. I've added the worm humus on top of the medium to bring back some microthings. I'll try to get some alfalfa dust.

No harm done and good thinking.

The composting is speed decay. It creates a surplus of micro-organisms that have locked nutrients up in their bodies and as these decay they release N and other nutrients that plants use.
Don't worry as the process of micro-organisms processing materials in the soil goes on all the time. Composting is a speed process that's all. Once you have the plants in the soil the plants themselves manage things. Have your read on how the root zone works?

Should i use the seeds of the "hay"?
Anyhow, health food stores charge way more than I'm willing to pay.
Next time I visit a Kibutz I'll pick some horse food and ferment it.

Yeah.. No problem. It's all whatever you have. Because the truth is as things decay they provide the ions plants uptake. There is no difference between the ions made with alfalfa or hay, coffee or rice.. for example.

This process is just to gather the materials that support micro-organisms into a pile and let them do their thing in mass.

Horse feed has molasses right? That's interesting but fermenting? I don't get that one.
I am not sure what horse feed would be like. Sounds interesting.

But you could get a bale of oat straw and make that the bases of a pile. That and horse manure.
Or take that oat hay and keep it wet and sprout the hay seeds then mix that green with manure and compost. Do you get what I am saying about oat hay and sprouting the seeds in it?

That would be a hot pile. My first compost pile was made with the Muck and manure from horse stables. It became hot in 24 hours after I wet it.

So anyway feel free to drop me an email if you need to. I am here to help.

 

[fonzee]

The worm castings will more than likely be a good additive after the compost is done.



I kinda lost myself. Something went south on this composting in that it has settled down to a "Steady" range of 90 - 100 when I was trying to get it to crank up to 120+ again.

The gelatin is a brown from what i read. I just read about it in a PDF and I have to see it in action. Oh I learned something today.

On the clog. No not really. Oh and I wanted to say Rice flour is sold in the store.

See us organic gardeners share and no one is above learning something new. http://www1.naturvetenskap.lu.se/examensarbeten/biologi/041208same.pdf

Hey I will work with you. I like it that you are trying and honest about it. If I can help you you can help another later.




No harm done and good thinking.

The composting is speed decay. It creates a surplus of micro-organisms that have locked nutrients up in their bodies and as these decay they release N and other nutrients that plants use.
Don't worry as the process of micro-organisms processing materials in the soil goes on all the time. Composting is a speed process that's all. Once you have the plants in the soil the plants themselves manage things. Have your read on how the root zone works?



Yeah.. No problem. It's all whatever you have. Because the truth is as things decay they provide the ions plants uptake. There is no difference between the ions made with alfalfa or hay, coffee or rice.. for example.

This process is just to gather the materials that support micro-organisms into a pile and let them do their thing in mass.

Horse feed has molasses right? That's interesting but fermenting? I don't get that one.
I am not sure what horse feed would be like. Sounds interesting.

But you could get a bale of oat straw and make that the bases of a pile. That and horse manure.
Or take that oat hay and keep it wet and sprout the hay seeds then mix that green with manure and compost. Do you get what I am saying about oat hay and sprouting the seeds in it?

That would be a hot pile. My first compost pile was made with the Muck and manure from horse stables. It became hot in 24 hours after I wet it.

So anyway feel free to drop me an email if you need to. I am here to help.

I need to continue reading Teaming With Microbes. Read the first 40 or 50 pages so I understand SOME of what your saying


I wanted to write "or" and not "of".
Should I use the alfalfa seeds or the grown plant?

Horse feed does sound like a good thing to build your compost upon when I think about it.
I know alfalfa is being used around here to feed horses. If I want to give a kick of Nitrogen to my plants wouldn't FPE do it better than a compost?
I want to rely on the compost and other things I put in the soil for most of the time, but when I need a boost of a certain element I figures FPE should do the trick.
Wouldn't it?

I live in an apartment where I can't really sprouts all kinds of things and run a proper compost pile. Simply because I don't have the space it takes.
Just small batches of compost in small buckets and shopping bags.



Thanks for being around

 

[SuperSizeMe]

These guys have you on the right track, so I don't feel too bad about telling you that this right here:

I wish I could get all that fish stuff around here. But I can't.
I got fermented tuna sauce which is the closest I can get.

Is sig-worthy....


Best of luck, friend.

 

[fonzee]

If you think thats odd, check my current grow - single 45W CFL cooltubed with single trained sativa dominant plant growing while its over 38°C outside (should stabilize around 43°C in a few weeks).



Anyhow, I have another question that I guess doesn't need its own post.
I just watered my plant with a bit more water than I usually do (not much though) and the runoff was stained brown.
It seems odd to me - is that staining normal?

And I get an infestation of tobacco flies getting worse by the minute. I've used a fermented garlic spray I made and a storebought spray of the same nature and they doesn't seem to care much.
Is there any way I can get rid of these suckers?