How to organically add nitrogen?

[fonzee]

I run a single plant grow and it started showing major N deficiency when it started the 12\12 cycle.
You can see the grow in my signature.

I'm looking for a supplement to add nitrogen to the mix when it seems the compost doesn't cut it.

I don't have access to store bought soil amendments such as kelp or blood meal. Only things I can make. (they simply aren't sold around)


I got garden waste compost, kitchen waste compost, manure compost, worm humus (probably worm castings) and the will to find new things

I need a pretty fast solution so composting sorts of poo is not practical.



Is there anything like wood ash for potash that does the same with Nitrogen?

 

[Green Supreme]

Urine. Peace GS

 

[yortbogey]

Here U go......N/P/K

Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
Feathers: 15.3/0/0
Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5
Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0

sum good.....sum strange....but all readaliy around just look

 

[TrichyTrichy]

Great info Yorty!

 

[THC123]

worm humus

 

[fonzee]

Urine. Peace GS

Its ain't that healthy for the plant if you use it regularly.
Plus, I'm looking for something to top my medium with and keep on giving straight water :X

Here U go......N/P/K

Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
Feathers: 15.3/0/0
Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5
Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0

sum good.....sum strange....but all readaliy around just look

The coffee grounds have enough elements after being used?
I don't have time to compost feathers but I'll add some to my compost mix for next time.
I don't have many nut shells but I'll toss them in the compost bin as well.
I don't eat sardines. And they stink like hell.
I can get tea grounds but like coffee - do they still have anything after being boiled and used?
No cottonseeds around or leather dust.


Thanks a lot for your input!

worm humus

Its 2.0\2.2\1.2 NPK.
I don't think thats enough N for my needs, but on the other hand my plant my need the other elements as well.
I'll add that with another high N addition I guess.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Well I would top dress with a micronized mix myself but you can simply brew some coffee ( fresh ground not instant ).

You could add urine to it and dilute that liquid as you see fit and feed.

But allways water your container first before you apply liquid feeding so there will be less stress on the plant and soil.

There are many ways to feed the soil. Top dressing and liquid feed.

Have a search of this forum there are many many ways to get nitrogen.

Many like the Guanos..

----

Do you know about feeding the soil? It's how us organic growers get such big plants.

Hang and check it out.

 

[yortbogey]

yes thats the idea to reuse U'r left over morning grinds from the morning brew.......YES the left over coffee / and or Tea grounds have plenty o'..................N/P/K

ps.....make for A g8t topdressing......

and day old tea or coffee can be used in the mix....just dilute.......

 

[fonzee]

Well I would top dress with a micronized mix myself but you can simply brew some coffee ( fresh ground not instant ).

You could add urine to it and dilute that liquid as you see fit and feed.

But allways water your container first before you apply liquid feeding so there will be less stress on the plant and soil.

There are many ways to feed the soil. Top dressing and liquid feed.

Have a search of this forum there are many many ways to get nitrogen.

Many like the Guanos..

----

Do you know about feeding the soil? It's how us organic growers get such big plants.

Hang and check it out.

Micronized mix?
I can get a lot of used coffee grounds from a pizza place near by.
I don't drink coffee so I don't have any around, but they should have a lot.

I've used urine before (I have a fermented urine bottle around) but didn't like the results too much.

I wish I could get guano around here, but no one imports it. I've searched - trust me.

I've heard quite a bit about feeding the soil and learning on it.
I've fed with an organic compost tea (shaken in a bottle, not aerated) and molasses a week ago and it didn't help one bit.
I don't really know HOW to feed the soil, I just know the basics on how it works.

Sorry for having you repeat something that probably have been answered a lot before, but I get lost quickly in this forum :X

yes thats the idea to reuse U'r left over morning grinds from the morning brew.......YES the left over coffee / and or Tea grounds have plenty o'..................N/P/K

ps.....make for A g8t topdressing......

and day old tea or coffee can be used in the mix....just dilute.......

Should I just put it on top of my medium and water?

 

[guyhowdy]

Nettle tea, there was just a post on it. Check it out, good info.

 

[fonzee]

nettles don't grow around here. Plus, it should stink and I live in an apartment.

 

[FreshlyShaven]

Alfalfa or some other legume will work. If you can't find alfalfa in your supermarket, find suppliers of agricultural feed- alfalfa is a common and cheap horse feed. Just grind it as finely as possible and let it steep in dechlorinated water for a while. 1 teaspoon per gallon of water is the ratio I've heard the most.

 

[Walt Jabsco]

shit. the smaller the animal it comes from the better. i prefer bat shit sorry man i see now that shit isnt an option fish emulsion then

 

[JackTheGrower]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=132088

Alfalfa in the form of Guinea pig food will work too but the idea is to apply a layer of materials that the micro-biology eats. They in turn die and feed other things. The cycle basically supplies nitrogen buy a chain of life events.

So you can shake a fine Flour ground up with a coffee bean grinder. You have fresh ground coffee, rice, and alfalfa pellets that would be a good C and N mix.. It's good to have minerals too. Since you are in flower some oatmeal and bone meal plus some Epsom salts sounds like a good thing to add and grind up.


Have a read of things.. Our search function is poor so use google with "key words" +" International Cannagraphic" as your search terms and you can find a lot of threads we can't using our search function. Makes sense the load on the servers here has to be huge.. Leg Google do the work I guess.

But for a nitrogen feed the diluted Urine and coffee could be useful.

Organic gardening is a skill we learn over time. Don't feel stressed that it looks like it's complex because once we start learning the hardest part is over.. It's the not trying that causes problems or worse depending on someone else.

My style is on the wild side of organic gardening. With a small area I can afford exotic materials and my efforts have just a small garden needing them.

You can add some unsulphured Molasses but just a dab.

But be sure to add some fresh clean organic soil too for a fresh supply of biology.

 

[habeeb]

azotobacter

comfrey

alfalfa



going to an online store and buying a bottle of flowering nutes



I've also seen this list floating, and beware not all are made equal..


Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1
Apple Fruit: 0.05/0.02/0.1
Apple Leaves: 1.0/0.15/0.4
Apple Pomace: 0.2/0.02/0.15
Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74
Banana Residues (ash): 1.75/0.75/0.5
Barley (grain): 0/0/0.5
Barley (straw): 0/0/1.0
Basalt Rock: 0/0/1.5
Bat Guano: 5.0-8.0/4.0-5.0/1.0
Beans, garden(seed and hull): 0.25/0.08/03
Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1
Blood meal: 15.0/0/0
Bone Black: 1.5/0/0
Bonemeal (raw): 3.3-4.1/21.0/0.2
Bonemeal (steamed): 1.6-2.5/21.0/0.2
Brewery Wastes (wet): 1.0/0.5/0.05
Buckwheat straw: 0/0/2.0
Cantaloupe Rinds (ash): 0/9.77/12.0
Castor pomace: 4.0-6.6/1.0-2.0/1.0-2.0
Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4
Cattail Seed: 0.98/0.25/0.1
Cattle Manure (fresh): 0.29/0.25/0.1
Cherry Leaves: 0.6/0/0.7
Chicken Manure (fresh): 1.6/1.0-1.5/0.6-1.0
Clover: 2/0/0/0 (also contains calcium)
Cocoa Shell Dust: 1.0/1.5/1.7
Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
Corn (grain): 1.65/0.65/0.4
Corn (green forage): 0.4/0.13/0.33
Corn cobs: 0/0/2.0
Corn Silage: 0.42/0/0
Cornstalks: 0.75/0/0.8
Cottonseed hulls (ash): 0/8.7/23.9
Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
Cotton Wastes (factory): 1.32/0.45/0.36
Cowpea Hay: 3.0/0/2.3
Cowpeas (green forage): 0.45/0.12/0.45
Cowpeas (seed): 3.1/1.0/1.2
Crabgrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Crabs (dried, ground): 10.0/0/0
Crabs (fresh): 5.0/3.6/0.2
Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2
Dried Blood: 10.0-14.0/1.0-5.0/0
Duck Manure (fresh): 1.12/1.44/0.6
Eggs: 2.25/0.4/0.15
Eggshells: 1.19/0.38/0.14
Feathers: 15.3/0/0
Felt Wastes: 14.0/0/1.0
Field Beans (seed): 4.0/1.2/1.3
Feild Beans (shells): 1.7/0.3/1.3
Fish (dried, ground): 8.0/7.0/0
Fish Scraps (fresh): 6.5/3.75/0
Gluten Meal: 6.4/0/0
Granite Dust: 0/0/3.0-5.5
Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6
Grape Leaves: 0.45/0.1/0.4
Grape Pomace: 1.0/0.07/0.3
Grass (imature): 1.0/0/1.2
Greensand: 0/1.5/7.0
Hair: 14/0/0/0
Hoof and Horn Meal: 12.5/2.0/0
Horse Manure (fresh): 0.44/0.35/0.3
Incinerator Ash: 0.24/5.15/2.33
Jellyfish (dried): 4.6/0/0
Kentucky Bluegrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Kentucky Bluegrass (hay): 1.2/0.4/2.0
Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0
Lemon Culls: 0.15/0.06/0.26
Lemon Skins (ash): 06.33/1.0
Lobster Refuse: 4.5/3.5/0
Milk: 0.5/0.3/0.18
Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2
Molasses Residue: 0.7/0/5.32
Molasses Waste: 0/0/3.0-4.0
Mud (fresh water): 1.37/0.26/0.22
Mud (harbour): 0.99/0.77/0.05 Mud (salt): 0.4.0/0
Mussels: 1.0/0.12/0.13
Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
Oak Leaves: 0.8/0.35/0.2
Oats (grain): 2.0/0.8/0.6
Oats (green fodder): 0.49/0/0
Oat straw: 0/0/1.5
Olive Pomace: 1.15/0.78/1.3
Orange Culls: 0.2/0.13/0.21
Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0
Oyster Shells: 0.36/0/0
Peach Leaves: 0.9/0.15/0.6
Pea forage: 1.5-2.5/0/1.4
Peanuts (seed/kernals): 3.6/0.7/0.45
Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5
Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0
Pea (vines): 0.25/0/0.7
Pear Leaves: 0.7/0/0.4
Pigeon manure (fresh): 4.19/2.24/1.0
Pigweed (rough): 0.6/0.1/0
Pine Needles: 0.5/0.12/0.03
Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5
Potaote Tubers: 0.35/0.15/2.5
Potatoe Vines (dried): 0.6/0.16/1.6
Prune Refuse: 0.18/0.07/0.31
Pumpkins (fresh): 0.16/0.07/0.26
Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04
Rabbit Manure: 2.4/1.4/0.6
Ragweed: 0.76/0.26/0
Rapeseed meal: 0/1.0=2.0/1.0=3.0
Raspberry leaves: 1.45/0/0.6
Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1
Redrop Hay: 1.2/0.35/1.0
Rock and Mussel Deposits
From Ocean: 0.22/0.09/1.78
Roses (flowers): 0.3/0.1/0.4
Rye Straw: 0/0/1.0
Salt March Hay: 1.1/0.25/0.75
Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
Seaweed (dried): 1.1-1.5/0.75/4.9
Seaweed (fresh): 0.2-0.4/0/0
Sheep and Goat Manure (fresh): 0.55/0.6/0.3
Shoddy and Felt: 8.0/0/0
Shrimp Heads (dried): 7.8/4.2/0
Shrimp Wastes: 2.9/10.0/0
Siftings From Oyster Shell Mounds: 0.36/10.38/0.09
Silk Mill Wastes: 8.0/1.14/1.0
Silkworm Cocoons:10.0/1.82/1.08
Sludge: 2.0/1.9/0.3
Sludge (activated): 5.0/2.5-4.0/0.6
Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96
Sorghum Straw:0/0/1.0
Soybean Hay: 1.5-3.0/0/1.2-2.3
Starfish: 1.8/0.2/0.25
Sugar Wastes (raw): 2.0/8.0/0
Sweet Potatoes: 0.25/0.1/0.5
Swine Manure (fresh): 0.6/0.45/0.5
Tanbark Ash: 0/0.34/3.8
Tanbark Ash (spent): 0/1.75/2.0
Tankage: 3.0-11.0/2.0-5.0/0
Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
Timothy Hay: 1.2/0.55/1.4
Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0
Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0
Tomato Fruit: 0.2/0.07/0.35
Tomatoe Leaves: 0.35/0.1/0.4
Tomatoe Stalks: 0.35/0.1/0.5
Tung Oil Pumace: 6.1/0/0
Vetch Hay: 2.8/0/2.3
Waste Silt: 9.5/0/0
Wheat Bran: 2.4/2.9/1.6
Wheat (grain): 2.0/0.85/0.5
Wheat Straw: 0.5/0.15/0.8
White Clover (Green): 0.5/0.2/0.3
Winter Rye Hay: 0/0/1.0
Wood Ash: 0/1.0-2.0/6.0-10.0
Wool Wastes: 3.5-6.0/2.0-4.0/1.0-3.5

 

[fonzee]

Alfalfa or some other legume will work. If you can't find alfalfa in your supermarket, find suppliers of agricultural feed- alfalfa is a common and cheap horse feed. Just grind it as finely as possible and let it steep in dechlorinated water for a while. 1 teaspoon per gallon of water is the ratio I've heard the most.

I can only find alfalfa sprouts and they cost a lot.
I'll look out for it as horse feed, that should be pretty easy to obtain.
Anyhow, I need something that acts fast for now.

I guess I'll just add that alfalfa to my compost pile and use it on my next cycle rather than fermenting it for now.

Thanks

shit. the smaller the animal it comes from the better. i prefer bat shit sorry man i see now that shit isnt an option fish emulsion then

I wish I could get all that fish stuff around here. But I can't.
I got fermented tuna sauce which is the closest I can get.

Does the fish food sold in pet stores contain anything I could use?
Those colored papers things.

I'll add some rabbit or parrot shit to my compost if I'll get to get any.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=132088

Alfalfa in the form of Guinea pig food will work too but the idea is to apply a layer of materials that the micro-biology eats. They in turn die and feed other things. The cycle basically supplies nitrogen buy a chain of life events.

So you can shake a fine Flour ground up with a coffee bean grinder. You have fresh ground coffee, rice, and alfalfa pellets that would be a good C and N mix.. It's good to have minerals too. Since you are in flower some oatmeal and bone meal plus some Epsom salts sounds like a good thing to add and grind up.


Have a read of things.. Our search function is poor so use google with "key words" +" International Cannagraphic" as your search terms and you can find a lot of threads we can't using our search function. Makes sense the load on the servers here has to be huge.. Leg Google do the work I guess.

But for a nitrogen feed the diluted Urine and coffee could be useful.

Organic gardening is a skill we learn over time. Don't feel stressed that it looks like it's complex because once we start learning the hardest part is over.. It's the not trying that causes problems or worse depending on someone else.

My style is on the wild side of organic gardening. With a small area I can afford exotic materials and my efforts have just a small garden needing them.

You can add some unsulphured Molasses but just a dab.

But be sure to add some fresh clean organic soil too for a fresh supply of biology.

That link requires a lot of reading. Browsed through it but as English is not my main language it will take some time. I WILL read it more thoroughly.

Guinea pig food is something I can easily find, but it will need some grinding and I don't have a blender.
I'm running a super-low budget grow so buying a blender beats the purpose.

I'll try to make the spice store grind up some rice for me but I doubt they will grind up guinea pig food with their coffee grinder.
Might add some oatmeal too.
I also have a lot of bottled nutrients but this run I'm trying to use none. Its not about the yielded product - its about using only stuff I can make and find around.

When I know what I'm looking for I use google, but usually - I don't :X

I somewhy dislike using urine. Used it but the plant didn't seem happy with it.


I'm not stressed about it, I'm running a very low cost and low productivity run to start and learn the organic gardening thing.
Will take a while but I sure am learning.

Funny thing - no nursery sells organic soil around here.
I just add loads of used soil with roots (usually tomato ones as they are in the biggest containers) to my composter and use that.
I've diluted it with store-bough soil mix (inorganic) and tried to pull out the fert-balls as the strain I'm running should be a very low feeder. Guess I should have used way more compost in the mix.


Thanks a lot for helping!

azotobacter

comfrey

alfalfa



going to an online store and buying a bottle of flowering nutes



I've also seen this list floating, and beware not all are made equal..


Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1
Apple Fruit: 0.05/0.02/0.1
Apple Leaves: 1.0/0.15/0.4
Apple Pomace: 0.2/0.02/0.15
Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74
Banana Residues (ash): 1.75/0.75/0.5
Barley (grain): 0/0/0.5
Barley (straw): 0/0/1.0
Basalt Rock: 0/0/1.5
Bat Guano: 5.0-8.0/4.0-5.0/1.0
Beans, garden(seed and hull): 0.25/0.08/03
Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1
Blood meal: 15.0/0/0
Bone Black: 1.5/0/0
Bonemeal (raw): 3.3-4.1/21.0/0.2
Bonemeal (steamed): 1.6-2.5/21.0/0.2
Brewery Wastes (wet): 1.0/0.5/0.05
Buckwheat straw: 0/0/2.0
Cantaloupe Rinds (ash): 0/9.77/12.0
Castor pomace: 4.0-6.6/1.0-2.0/1.0-2.0
Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4
Cattail Seed: 0.98/0.25/0.1
Cattle Manure (fresh): 0.29/0.25/0.1
Cherry Leaves: 0.6/0/0.7
Chicken Manure (fresh): 1.6/1.0-1.5/0.6-1.0
Clover: 2/0/0/0 (also contains calcium)
Cocoa Shell Dust: 1.0/1.5/1.7
Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
Corn (grain): 1.65/0.65/0.4
Corn (green forage): 0.4/0.13/0.33
Corn cobs: 0/0/2.0
Corn Silage: 0.42/0/0
Cornstalks: 0.75/0/0.8
Cottonseed hulls (ash): 0/8.7/23.9
Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
Cotton Wastes (factory): 1.32/0.45/0.36
Cowpea Hay: 3.0/0/2.3
Cowpeas (green forage): 0.45/0.12/0.45
Cowpeas (seed): 3.1/1.0/1.2
Crabgrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Crabs (dried, ground): 10.0/0/0
Crabs (fresh): 5.0/3.6/0.2
Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2
Dried Blood: 10.0-14.0/1.0-5.0/0
Duck Manure (fresh): 1.12/1.44/0.6
Eggs: 2.25/0.4/0.15
Eggshells: 1.19/0.38/0.14
Feathers: 15.3/0/0
Felt Wastes: 14.0/0/1.0
Field Beans (seed): 4.0/1.2/1.3
Feild Beans (shells): 1.7/0.3/1.3
Fish (dried, ground): 8.0/7.0/0
Fish Scraps (fresh): 6.5/3.75/0
Gluten Meal: 6.4/0/0
Granite Dust: 0/0/3.0-5.5
Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6
Grape Leaves: 0.45/0.1/0.4
Grape Pomace: 1.0/0.07/0.3
Grass (imature): 1.0/0/1.2
Greensand: 0/1.5/7.0
Hair: 14/0/0/0
Hoof and Horn Meal: 12.5/2.0/0
Horse Manure (fresh): 0.44/0.35/0.3
Incinerator Ash: 0.24/5.15/2.33
Jellyfish (dried): 4.6/0/0
Kentucky Bluegrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Kentucky Bluegrass (hay): 1.2/0.4/2.0
Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0
Lemon Culls: 0.15/0.06/0.26
Lemon Skins (ash): 06.33/1.0
Lobster Refuse: 4.5/3.5/0
Milk: 0.5/0.3/0.18
Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2
Molasses Residue: 0.7/0/5.32
Molasses Waste: 0/0/3.0-4.0
Mud (fresh water): 1.37/0.26/0.22
Mud (harbour): 0.99/0.77/0.05 Mud (salt): 0.4.0/0
Mussels: 1.0/0.12/0.13
Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
Oak Leaves: 0.8/0.35/0.2
Oats (grain): 2.0/0.8/0.6
Oats (green fodder): 0.49/0/0
Oat straw: 0/0/1.5
Olive Pomace: 1.15/0.78/1.3
Orange Culls: 0.2/0.13/0.21
Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0
Oyster Shells: 0.36/0/0
Peach Leaves: 0.9/0.15/0.6
Pea forage: 1.5-2.5/0/1.4
Peanuts (seed/kernals): 3.6/0.7/0.45
Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5
Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0
Pea (vines): 0.25/0/0.7
Pear Leaves: 0.7/0/0.4
Pigeon manure (fresh): 4.19/2.24/1.0
Pigweed (rough): 0.6/0.1/0
Pine Needles: 0.5/0.12/0.03
Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5
Potaote Tubers: 0.35/0.15/2.5
Potatoe Vines (dried): 0.6/0.16/1.6
Prune Refuse: 0.18/0.07/0.31
Pumpkins (fresh): 0.16/0.07/0.26
Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04
Rabbit Manure: 2.4/1.4/0.6
Ragweed: 0.76/0.26/0
Rapeseed meal: 0/1.0=2.0/1.0=3.0
Raspberry leaves: 1.45/0/0.6
Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1
Redrop Hay: 1.2/0.35/1.0
Rock and Mussel Deposits
From Ocean: 0.22/0.09/1.78
Roses (flowers): 0.3/0.1/0.4
Rye Straw: 0/0/1.0
Salt March Hay: 1.1/0.25/0.75
Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
Seaweed (dried): 1.1-1.5/0.75/4.9
Seaweed (fresh): 0.2-0.4/0/0
Sheep and Goat Manure (fresh): 0.55/0.6/0.3
Shoddy and Felt: 8.0/0/0
Shrimp Heads (dried): 7.8/4.2/0
Shrimp Wastes: 2.9/10.0/0
Siftings From Oyster Shell Mounds: 0.36/10.38/0.09
Silk Mill Wastes: 8.0/1.14/1.0
Silkworm Cocoons:10.0/1.82/1.08
Sludge: 2.0/1.9/0.3
Sludge (activated): 5.0/2.5-4.0/0.6
Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96
Sorghum Straw:0/0/1.0
Soybean Hay: 1.5-3.0/0/1.2-2.3
Starfish: 1.8/0.2/0.25
Sugar Wastes (raw): 2.0/8.0/0
Sweet Potatoes: 0.25/0.1/0.5
Swine Manure (fresh): 0.6/0.45/0.5
Tanbark Ash: 0/0.34/3.8
Tanbark Ash (spent): 0/1.75/2.0
Tankage: 3.0-11.0/2.0-5.0/0
Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
Timothy Hay: 1.2/0.55/1.4
Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0
Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0
Tomato Fruit: 0.2/0.07/0.35
Tomatoe Leaves: 0.35/0.1/0.4
Tomatoe Stalks: 0.35/0.1/0.5
Tung Oil Pumace: 6.1/0/0
Vetch Hay: 2.8/0/2.3
Waste Silt: 9.5/0/0
Wheat Bran: 2.4/2.9/1.6
Wheat (grain): 2.0/0.85/0.5
Wheat Straw: 0.5/0.15/0.8
White Clover (Green): 0.5/0.2/0.3
Winter Rye Hay: 0/0/1.0
Wood Ash: 0/1.0-2.0/6.0-10.0
Wool Wastes: 3.5-6.0/2.0-4.0/1.0-3.5

I could get the pigeon waste probably if I look out for it, but it will need a lot of composting and I really don't like it as it might contains pathogens.

Same goes for feathers as they are usually from pigeons around here.

Is corn flour a good amendment? I have a lot of it lying around and the corn breakdown seems pretty good for my situation.

 

[EatMoGrass]

I top dress with 1-3tbs high nitrogen bat guano mixed with 1-3cups worm castings and a little sul-po-mag to make sure they have access to magnesium to go with the Nitrogen. Then I hit 'em with the tea. I can mix in other amendments depending on what the plant needs.

now back to my Volcano wake n' bake...

 

[JackTheGrower]

I top dress with 1-3tbs high nitrogen bat guano mixed with 1-3cups worm castings and a little sul-po-mag to make sure they have access to magnesium to go with the Nitrogen. Then I hit 'em with the tea. I can mix in other amendments depending on what the plant needs.

now back to my Volcano wake n' bake...

Yeah the basic idea is to feed things the micro-organisms will eat.

A micronized mix distributes small particles of many materials uniformly over the surface of the soil.

It's the way of nature.. Organic materials pile up on the ground and the "critters" make use of it. In time those critters die or are eaten and they release nitrogen.
Now the liquid feed is a way to feed liquid nutrients that soak deeper into the soil so the combination of dry micronized and liquid is that 1-2 punch.

It works even in 1 gallon pots. But in 1 gallon pots the soil is a small real estate area so a plant will be cramped for growth once it reaches a certain size.


Anyway..

 

[fonzee]

I guess the information I lack is what my micro-organisms like to eat and what they are short on.


I should take the jump on FPE I guess.
I guess I'll start with alfalfa to make a high-N solution for the vegetative phase and then count on my compost that have a lot of decomposed potato peels in it.
Or should I start with something else?

 

[JackTheGrower]

I guess the information I lack is what my micro-organisms like to eat and what they are short on.


I should take the jump on FPE I guess.
I guess I'll start with alfalfa to make a high-N solution for the vegetative phase and then count on my compost that have a lot of decomposed potato peels in it.
Or should I start with something else?

That's a good question. I don't know everything but here is a PDF that seems to say things better than I have been.

Sandra Meidute
What do bacteria and fungus eat?
In soils there are a lot of fungi and bacteria that feed on dead leaves and dead animals. Doing
so they decompose the organic matter. The organic matter contains different amounts of
nitrogen and carbon and the carbon can be easy to utilize or bound in complex compounds.
It is believed that fungi grow better on complex organic matter and that bacteria are favoured
on nitrogen rich organic matter.
The aim of the study was to find out if bacteria grow better when nitrogen is added to the
organic matter and if it is true that fungi like more complex organic matter.
Bacteria and fungi in a soil were fed with glucose and gelatin where the carbon is simple to
utilize and with cellulose where the carbon is difficult to take care of. These carbon sources
were then enriched with nitrogen in different combinations.
Bacterial growth rate was measured with a technique where bacteria take up a special
compound which can be measured and fungal growth was measured by the uptake of a
radiolabelled molecule. The ovarall activity in the soil was measured by soil respiration.
Adding only nitrogen to the soil did not affect any of the measurements which indicates that
it is the amount of carbon that limits fungal and bacterial growth in soils. Bacterial growth
was higher on the simple carbon compounds (glucose and gelantin) while fungal growth
increased more rapidly when cellulose was added. Enrichment with nitrogen had no effect on
the fungal or bacterial growth on any of the carbon compunds. The general soil respiration
rate depended most on fungal growth rate and not on bacterial growth rate
Supervisor:Erland Bååth
Degree projekt 20 credits in Microbial ecology. Autumn 2003
Department of Ecology, Lund University
Abstract
The aim of this study was to determine how the addition of different substrates affect6ed the
bacterial and fungal growth rates in soil. The growth of microorganisms after carbon and
nitrogen addition to soil samples was measured by thymidine/leucine (for bacteria) and
acetate (for fungi) incorporations techniques. Total microbial activity was estimated as the
soil respiration rate.
Easily available carbon ( glucose,gelatin) favoured soil bacterial growth, while a more
difficult composed carbon source (cellulose + nitrogen) initially favoured fungal growth
However, after the initial increase in fungal growth after cellulose+nitrogen addition, bacterial
growth started to increase, probably due to bacteria using glucose produced by the
decomposition of cellulose.
Adding a nitrogen source together with easily available carbon (glucose+nitrogen and
gelatine additions) was the treatment that increased bacterial activity the most; this increase
was also reflected in an increased total activity. This dramatic increase apparently initiated
fungal growth, since adding glucose+nitrogen or gelantine resulted in lower fungal growth
rates compared to the unamended control soil
Most of the results on total and bacterial activity could be explained by altered carbon and
nitrogen limitations after adding different substrates. The present soil was initially carbon
limited, since nitrogen alone gave no effect, but glucose( adding C) increased bacterial
activity. Adding Carbon to the soil made it nitrogen limited, since after glucose addition( and
cellulose addition) extra nitrogen increase activities compared to no nitrogen amendment.

http://www1.naturvetenskap.lu.se/examensarbeten/biologi/041208same.pdf

Ahh.. I have been counting on cellulose ( wood ) but gelatin? I actually have too much N in my tumbler today and want to add more C so instead of rice I may try gelatin... LOL

Basically Carbon rich and nitrogen rich materials in proportion. You will do better to Google composting than count on me. I count on Google..
http://www.ehow.com/how_3541_begin-compost-pile.html and such.