Advanced nutrients organics in dwc..... Any one have any xp?

[toohighmf]

just read the whole deal on Piranha and after reading 3 pages on their new LIQUID version, which already pretty much proves it's all about profits, also shows no signs of having any form of humics or leonardite. here's the guaranteed analysis:

 

[Scrogerman]

So what your saying bro is it used to have it in, but now they have taken it out? why? i got that info straight off a suppliers site. it listed all ingredients, & Humic acid was one of them, i dont get this. at all!

 

[Scrogerman]

Humic Acid in AN Pirana!

Humic Acid in AN Pirana!

This is on the AN website, the first page of their Pirana advertisement/marketing sales product info page yeah! look whats in it!

Web Description:
Using beneficial microbes to create a more natural environment for roots and leaves is the Advanced way of increasing plant health, growth rate, and yield. Piranha Beneficial Fungi colonizes root zones with eight species of trichoderma and 18 species of endomycorrhizal and ectomycorrhizal fungi. Trichoderma are energetic colonizers that enhance root mass while preventing root rot and other problems caused by harmful microbes, such as pythium and pytophethoria. Piranha works wonders for roots but is also a fantastic foliar spray that protects plants against harmful fungi that attack leaves and flowers, such as Pythium, Rhizoctania solani, Fusarium, Botrytis cinerea (grey mold), Sclerotium rolfsii, and Sclerotinia homoeocarpa. Mycorrhizal fungi excrete powerful natural chemicals that increase nutrient availability and root water retention, retard soil pathogens, and create a more aerated, porous soil structure. Mycorrhizal fungi can expand surface area of root mass by as much as 700%! Our research documented that Piranha improved root nutrient and water uptake while increasing plant resistance to soil diseases and environmental stress. Plants treated with Piranha have more flowers and fruit, and produce bigger harvests, especially when Piranha is used with its companion product, Voodoo Juice.

Piranha Use Details:

- In hydroponic systems, mycorrhizal colonization will turn roots light brown while increasing water absorption, nutrient absorption, and water retention efficiency.

- In hydroponics reservoirs, place Piranha in a nylon sock in the reservoir. This will reduce clogging of drip emitters.

IngredientsEctomycorrhizal Fungi
Endomycorrhizal Fungi
Humic Acid
Leonardite
Trichoderma



Where did you source the info bro? Im 100% sure they cannot advertise a product like this if it does not contain what they say it does, so whats the truth here TooHigh bro im a little confused! Does it have it or not & if not why does it say that it does contain Humic on the product info page on the AN Website..? Gurenteed Analysis aint the same as Ingredients? or is it? I think thats where we are going wrong bro, Ingredients aint the same as Garenteed analysis! two different things bro! Dam i shouldnt have got into this, the more i read about it the more i wanna use the stuff bro!

Its the new one too it has the PH/PPM Perfect Tecnology stamp next to it!

That GA you posted is showing the nutritional value of the product too & only lists the elements involved & the bene fungi included. Doesnt list all the ingredients bro!

You'd have to watch what your doing with this stuff its high in Calcium & Mg & Fe, you wouldnt wanna be supplimenting with Cal-Mag too, always pays to take a look what something contains!

All ingredients are listed on the AN Website! still i wonder what you found to think it aint right or doesnt contain what they are saying it does, are they lying bro!???

 

[mule420]

AN is a rip off... Check out a product called "great white" Take a filter bag add the great white and some hydroton hang it in your rez take it out when you do a rez change then put it back in. I use it all thru veg and then add more great white when I flower. It's $40 bucks and lasts a long time...

 

[toohighmf]

This is on the AN website, the first page of their Pirana advertisement/marketing sales product info page yeah! look whats in it!

Web Description:
Using beneficial microbes to create a more natural environment for roots and leaves is the Advanced way of increasing plant health, growth rate, and yield. Piranha Beneficial Fungi colonizes root zones with eight species of trichoderma and 18 species of endomycorrhizal and ectomycorrhizal fungi. Trichoderma are energetic colonizers that enhance root mass while preventing root rot and other problems caused by harmful microbes, such as pythium and pytophethoria. Piranha works wonders for roots but is also a fantastic foliar spray that protects plants against harmful fungi that attack leaves and flowers, such as Pythium, Rhizoctania solani, Fusarium, Botrytis cinerea (grey mold), Sclerotium rolfsii, and Sclerotinia homoeocarpa. Mycorrhizal fungi excrete powerful natural chemicals that increase nutrient availability and root water retention, retard soil pathogens, and create a more aerated, porous soil structure. Mycorrhizal fungi can expand surface area of root mass by as much as 700%! Our research documented that Piranha improved root nutrient and water uptake while increasing plant resistance to soil diseases and environmental stress. Plants treated with Piranha have more flowers and fruit, and produce bigger harvests, especially when Piranha is used with its companion product, Voodoo Juice.

Piranha Use Details:

- In hydroponic systems, mycorrhizal colonization will turn roots light brown while increasing water absorption, nutrient absorption, and water retention efficiency.

- In hydroponics reservoirs, place Piranha in a nylon sock in the reservoir. This will reduce clogging of drip emitters.

IngredientsEctomycorrhizal Fungi
Endomycorrhizal Fungi
Humic Acid
Leonardite
Trichoderma



Where did you source the info bro? Im 100% sure they cannot advertise a product like this if it does not contain what they say it does, so whats the truth here TooHigh bro im a little confused! Does it have it or not & if not why does it say that it does contain Humic on the product info page on the AN Website..? Gurenteed Analysis aint the same as Ingredients? or is it? I think thats where we are going wrong bro, Ingredients aint the same as Garenteed analysis! two different things bro! Dam i shouldnt have got into this, the more i read about it the more i wanna use the stuff bro!

Its the new one too it has the PH/PPM Perfect Tecnology stamp next to it!

That GA you posted is showing the nutritional value of the product too & only lists the elements involved & the bene fungi included. Doesnt list all the ingredients bro!

You'd have to watch what your doing with this stuff its high in Calcium & Mg & Fe, you wouldnt wanna be supplimenting with Cal-Mag too, always pays to take a look what something contains!

All ingredients are listed on the AN Website! still i wonder what you found to think it aint right or doesnt contain what they are saying it does, are they lying bro!???

Page 1 from AN's website:

"Roots are what feed your plants almost everything they need, and now you can maximize your plants' root mass so your plants get optimum nutrition and enhanced flowering.

You do this by using beneficial fungi that accomplishes the following for you:

(1.) Beneficial Fungi maximizes root absorption of oxygen, nutrients and water

(2.) Beneficial Fungi maximizes root growth for optimum yields

(3.) Helps your roots gain surface mass

(4.) Beneficial Fungi maximize production of floral essential oils

GETTING THE RIGHT TYPES OF BENEFICIAL FUNGI IS ALL-IMPORTANT FOR MAXIMIZING YOUR YIELD

As you can see, beneficial fungi are a valuable tool you use to maximize your gardens production. But please remember that it matter what type of fungi you use. You need to add the right types of the two major categories of beneficial fungi:

Category One beneficial fungi are called Endomycorrhiza. Believe it or not, these fungi actually have a form of "foot," called a hyphae, that enters into root cells to produce sacs or branched structures. As you can imagine, the sacs and branched structures increase root mass and root function.
Category Two beneficial fungi are called Ectomycorrhiza. These fungi create a hyphal sheath that covers root tips. They also create a hyphae net that cloaks the entire root system.
Funny thing is, plant scientists used to assert that endomycorrhiza were the only type of fungi that inserted themselves into root cells, and that the ecto variety stayed outside roots.
New research conducted by our scientists reveals that super-strains of ecto and endo beneficial fungi both penetrate roots, so they have designated these strains as a mega-category called "ectendomycorrhiza."

The good news is that whatever you call them, beneficial fungi form a web of root enhancement called a "fungal mycelium."

NOT ALL BENEFICIAL FUNGI ARE CREATED EQUAL

It's important to realize there are two processes hydroponics companies can choose from when they want to make a beneficial fungi product.

The most common choice starts when a hydroponics company decides to save time, effort and money by hiring a third-party company to bulk produce/bulk combine microbes without testing them for specific plant appropriateness or microbial compatibility.

Instead of managing the process from start to finish, they outsource their manufacturing, and in the process they forfeit first-hand knowledge and supervision of product components and quality control.

Not only that, but their process includes an overly generic view of fungi. For example, you'll hear their product advertising talk about "endo and ectomycorrhizal fungi." Turns out this is so vague that it borders on actually being an inaccurate way of describing root zone fungi!

It's exactly like saying "General Motors" to describe a car, leaving you wondering are they talking about a Pontiac or a Chevy.

And even if it's a Chevy, it could be a Malibu or Corvette. Ok, if you're lucky, you got the Corvette - but you're still left guessing, because one model of Corvette has the 300 hp motor, but the ZR1 Corvette has a 620 horsepower motor!

The good news is that we make sure our Piranha beneficial fungi are the fully-loaded ZR1 Corvette with 620 horsepower powerplant, not the Chevy Malibu! Here's how we do it...

Advanced Nutrients hires world-class microbiologists who practically live in the laboratory-that's how competitive and dedicated they are about developing what they call "superstrains" of fungi that biologically bond with the roots of your plants. One of our scientists is especially impressive: she has THREE Ph.D. degrees!
Our perfectionistic scientists demand that we supply them all the most expensive, precision equipment and supplies so they can identify each microbial strain's special characteristics that make them superstrains. That's why our fungi are extremely fast-replicating so they quickly colonize root zones for rapid results (yes, one of our most important tests is comparing fast versus slow replicating fungi).
Piranha is NEVER OUTSOURCED. We're the only hydroponics nutrient company in the world manufacturing all our microbial products ourselves with a full-time Ph.D. microbiologist personally supervising all aspects of production at all times. (The same is true for our Voodoo Juice and Tarantula products)
Each of our microbial strains is individually bred in a purpose-built 10,000 liter breeding reactor (we're the only company that uses this technically advanced process, not vats or tubs). Our microbes are later taken to an evaporation tower and gently dried. Then the Piranha superstrains are carefully recombined.
To ensure Piranha's reputation for very long shelf life and viability, the fungi are put into hibernation with an "antagonist" compound that keeps the microbes dormant until you mix Piranha into a nutrient reservoir or foliar spray, and the antagonist is diluted.
As soon as the antagonist is diluted, Piranha fungi immediately exit dormancy, replicate quickly, and burst into action for you by wrapping themselves around and penetrating into roots, promoting the production of flower-boosting hormones by your plants, and maximizing root size and function.
The bottom line is Piranha increases your plants root growth so your plants' roots are strong enough to give you optimum harvest yields.
What's more, when you get Piranha today, you'll see why it's money back guaranteed to pay for itself by providing maximum yield."

They Lie about about everything else. why start telling the truth now? Now as far as "guaranteed Analysis... do you see anything on the label tha that says "Non Plant Foods" or less than .001% humic acid? The USDA makes you print a guaranteed minimum analysis. including non plant foods such as humic and fulvic acid (both leonardite derived products. since the FDA has excluded Humics as a viable food source. the label would have to include all non plant foods and their percentages. It is why I first added the guaranteed analysis. either AN is lying to us or the FDA. its hard to tell since they lie to everyone. hence why their stock was pulled in Oregon and WA and they printed new labels.

 

[Lazyman]

understandable fear till you understand the potential for e.coli. and other negative bacteria to effect marijuana gardens and users, a topic I could dedicate a thread to alone.

I think after reading the total response you will see that it is accounted for so please at least read this in it entirety to see if you understand how that in my hybrid system is completely mitigated

So how do you use e coli in your gardens?

on a quick note, bacteria like e.coli dont survive the heat of an open flame, but some of the ingredients of fungicides and pesticides do

Perhaps, but for someone who makes edibles out of their bud, would you not have the same concern?

and we have evolved to live with these bacteria in our environment and bodies, not these other substances

These bacteria are famous for making people very sick, I can't see condoning their presence or use in any form.

yeast and fungi seem to be more important in parts of the soil web that carry over season to season

you can use anaerobic bio-control and add aerobic and facultative anaerobic bacteria easier and cheaper than you can sterilize and maintain sterility

...anaerobic bacteria do not have a place in our hydro gardens, in fact, a the byproduct of a good hydro system, a balance of h2o and oxygen, is that its a hostile environment to anaerobic bacteria

Ok I'm confused, first you say you can use it, then you say it has no place in our gardens. I don't think anyone in their right mind would consider using anaerobic bacteria in their res, especially ones that cause illness.

Because you are thinking of using organic precursors to brew bacteria instead of taking bacteria that were cultivated specifically for hydroponics

this is science used in pond and aquariums too

So without culturing samples in agar or the like, can you say with any confidence these bacteria are alive or not?

Bio-cat is one product made for this and is cross platform

it has some good info regarding how bacteria help hydro, and that is why i reference it

bio cat info on nutrilife web site

By creating a biologically active solution, Bio-Cat enhances and advances the science of hydroponics and plant horticulture for those who are employing inorganic or organic nutrients for the growing of plants.

The biologically active solution consists of organic and inorganic nutrients inoculated with selected micro-organisms to create a living environment, which enhances the growth, development, taste, smell and texture of fruits and vegetables.

Bio-Cat uses a broader spectrum of trace elements than traditional hydroponics. Furthermore, Bio-Cat establishes the Kreb’s cycle in nutrient reservoirs, (a complex chemical reaction essential to the manufacture and breakdown of plant acids) and builds a mixed colony of growth promoting micro-organisms.

Advantages of Bio-Cat
The beneficial micro-biological organisms in Bio-Cat enhances organic and “sterile” inorganic nutrient solutions in the following ways:

Bio-Cat helps reduce the need for frequent nutrient changes. A mixed colony of non-pathogenic beneficial microbes will support each other with their metabolites, creating a self-regulating environment without the recurring imbalances in pH and nutrient levels found in “sterile” inorganic nutrient solutions.

Bio-Cat organisms help prevent trace elements from “locking up” and stabilize pH.

Bacteria increases the rate of photosynthesis. In a number of plants the microbial action doubles the rate of photosynthesis, which means that crop production is less affected by diminished light availability.

I've heard you mention that product before, but how does it differ from something like Great White or Sensizym, Pirahna et al?

cheaper to use bacteria and keep it alive with bacteria the plant has evolved to use for the same purpose and to much better effect

bacteria become resistant to non bio-controls

the bio cat bacterial benefits listed are only tip of the ice berg. research the bacteria in it and tell me what uses modern agriculture has found for them








I understand your fears, but in the applications I suggest they are unfounded

In any system that breeds bacteria, you need to have precursors that will contain the bacteria you want to culture

the simple answer is regulate by adding just the bacteria you want and look for measurable results

the cause and effect of healthy bacteria are you should see a need to drop PPM in your nutes. So often i see people use the base AN line, then add some of AN benies, they hit it with the same amount of nutes and they get burn

That sounds anecdotal at best, use a product and look for measurable results? Who's to say the plant isn't responding to say, trace minerals in the compound and not bacteria? The only way to be sure is culture the brew, and look at roots under a microscope.

thats an example of microbes at work

You should see a huge reduction of any pathogen, drought or pest based incident. A rhizoshpere with a ton of beneficial bacteria is absolutely evident

How so? Do you pull apart root balls or are you just gauging plant health by a visual inspection of the foliage? I'm not calling you a liar, just saying that you're relying heavily on things that are difficult to quantify, and this industry is full of snake oil salesmen.

but a simple hand fed plant or two thrown in side by side could also provide a visual comparison, anything worth while and you should see a differential in health

Man it's harder than you'd think to do a strict control plot, but I think it would be easier for me to use it on most of the plants and handwater some other girls separately. Soo many variables though!

you cannot just make create bacteria from nothing in a sterile environment. In fact IMHO sterile is impracticable. Sterile systems, who's conditions are perfect in supporting microbial, must be kept sterile or they are a perfect incubator for any ambient bacteria that find their way to your sterile grow.

This is why so many guys get a system rocking .. WHAM root rot, PM or some other pathogen completely overtakes the garden overnight.

If there were already bacteria in the system, the new bacteria that re exposed to the system would have to fight those existing population to create a foot hold in your system.

You can assure that your system has only aerobic and facultative anaerobes by simply adding air. and or additives such as sm-90

I have used sm-90, aquashield and bud candy as a active and fed bacterial feed source quite with alternate feedings are pure blend original and.or synthetics and hydroplex, thats it/

my feeling is that you are confusing having to make your bacteria, which is normally done form a source that has a huge spectrum of bacteria like bat shit, which could contain anything really, opposed to buying lab cultivated and safe bacteria and adding them and promoting their populations exclusively

Oh no I understand, the bacteria and fungi we want aren't exactly naturally occurring and must be cultivated and cultured, to be sure!

My concern is that I've read a couple studies that showed many beneficials cannot survive even low levels of phosphorous, a nutrient that is present in almost everything we use, but particularly flowering nutes of course. Why apply an organism that cannot survive the environment it's watered into? I know if I were to pour a bunch of trichoderma or mycorrhizzae into one of my flowering reservoirs, those organisms would die a gruesome death almost immediately. How is that not a waste of money? It certainly won't have any benefit to the plant, which lives in the same high-phosphorous environment. Unless the plant feeds well off dead micro-organisms?

 

[thefalsediviner]

Advanced nutrients organics in dwc..... Any one have any xp?

Yeah I got some experience, I got enough to know that there isn't one game changer nutrient line on the market. I also got enough to know that no nutrient is worth the kind of prices AN gets.

TFD

 

[dmt]

i would strongly urge you to to put your powders in coffee filters and just let them tea in the rez. the powder is just gona dirty up roots, stones and pumps.

i would also use me tea bloom instead of iguana, or go 50/50. the tea dissolves better i find, and the smell and taste superior in the finished product.

always remember, the cleaner the tub is, the meaner the tub is haha lol, d

 

[cultiv8]

To the original question, it's all perfectly normal. The browning of the roots is not a problem, except for it making it more difficult to diagnose actual root rot. Organics aren't as "clean" as chemical nutrients, it's just part of the price we pay for growing organically.

The foam on the top is an indication of microbial life. That can be good or bad, but in my experience it's easy to tell them apart. If you're not sure, it's not bad. The nasty bugs are horribly nasty.



And as others have said, if you don't already definitely use a tea bag for your powders.

 

[CT Guy]

Page 1 from AN's website:

"Roots are what feed your plants almost everything they need, and now you can maximize your plants' root mass so your plants get optimum nutrition and enhanced flowering.

You do this by using beneficial fungi that accomplishes the following for you:

(1.) Beneficial Fungi maximizes root absorption of oxygen, nutrients and water

(2.) Beneficial Fungi maximizes root growth for optimum yields

(3.) Helps your roots gain surface mass

(4.) Beneficial Fungi maximize production of floral essential oils

GETTING THE RIGHT TYPES OF BENEFICIAL FUNGI IS ALL-IMPORTANT FOR MAXIMIZING YOUR YIELD

As you can see, beneficial fungi are a valuable tool you use to maximize your gardens production. But please remember that it matter what type of fungi you use. You need to add the right types of the two major categories of beneficial fungi:

Category One beneficial fungi are called Endomycorrhiza. Believe it or not, these fungi actually have a form of "foot," called a hyphae, that enters into root cells to produce sacs or branched structures. As you can imagine, the sacs and branched structures increase root mass and root function.
Category Two beneficial fungi are called Ectomycorrhiza. These fungi create a hyphal sheath that covers root tips. They also create a hyphae net that cloaks the entire root system.
Funny thing is, plant scientists used to assert that endomycorrhiza were the only type of fungi that inserted themselves into root cells, and that the ecto variety stayed outside roots.
New research conducted by our scientists reveals that super-strains of ecto and endo beneficial fungi both penetrate roots, so they have designated these strains as a mega-category called "ectendomycorrhiza."

The good news is that whatever you call them, beneficial fungi form a web of root enhancement called a "fungal mycelium."

NOT ALL BENEFICIAL FUNGI ARE CREATED EQUAL

It's important to realize there are two processes hydroponics companies can choose from when they want to make a beneficial fungi product.

The most common choice starts when a hydroponics company decides to save time, effort and money by hiring a third-party company to bulk produce/bulk combine microbes without testing them for specific plant appropriateness or microbial compatibility.

Instead of managing the process from start to finish, they outsource their manufacturing, and in the process they forfeit first-hand knowledge and supervision of product components and quality control.

Not only that, but their process includes an overly generic view of fungi. For example, you'll hear their product advertising talk about "endo and ectomycorrhizal fungi." Turns out this is so vague that it borders on actually being an inaccurate way of describing root zone fungi!

It's exactly like saying "General Motors" to describe a car, leaving you wondering are they talking about a Pontiac or a Chevy.

And even if it's a Chevy, it could be a Malibu or Corvette. Ok, if you're lucky, you got the Corvette - but you're still left guessing, because one model of Corvette has the 300 hp motor, but the ZR1 Corvette has a 620 horsepower motor!

The good news is that we make sure our Piranha beneficial fungi are the fully-loaded ZR1 Corvette with 620 horsepower powerplant, not the Chevy Malibu! Here's how we do it...

Advanced Nutrients hires world-class microbiologists who practically live in the laboratory-that's how competitive and dedicated they are about developing what they call "superstrains" of fungi that biologically bond with the roots of your plants. One of our scientists is especially impressive: she has THREE Ph.D. degrees!
Our perfectionistic scientists demand that we supply them all the most expensive, precision equipment and supplies so they can identify each microbial strain's special characteristics that make them superstrains. That's why our fungi are extremely fast-replicating so they quickly colonize root zones for rapid results (yes, one of our most important tests is comparing fast versus slow replicating fungi).
Piranha is NEVER OUTSOURCED. We're the only hydroponics nutrient company in the world manufacturing all our microbial products ourselves with a full-time Ph.D. microbiologist personally supervising all aspects of production at all times. (The same is true for our Voodoo Juice and Tarantula products)
Each of our microbial strains is individually bred in a purpose-built 10,000 liter breeding reactor (we're the only company that uses this technically advanced process, not vats or tubs). Our microbes are later taken to an evaporation tower and gently dried. Then the Piranha superstrains are carefully recombined.
To ensure Piranha's reputation for very long shelf life and viability, the fungi are put into hibernation with an "antagonist" compound that keeps the microbes dormant until you mix Piranha into a nutrient reservoir or foliar spray, and the antagonist is diluted.
As soon as the antagonist is diluted, Piranha fungi immediately exit dormancy, replicate quickly, and burst into action for you by wrapping themselves around and penetrating into roots, promoting the production of flower-boosting hormones by your plants, and maximizing root size and function.
The bottom line is Piranha increases your plants root growth so your plants' roots are strong enough to give you optimum harvest yields.
What's more, when you get Piranha today, you'll see why it's money back guaranteed to pay for itself by providing maximum yield."

They Lie about about everything else. why start telling the truth now? Now as far as "guaranteed Analysis... do you see anything on the label tha that says "Non Plant Foods" or less than .001% humic acid? The USDA makes you print a guaranteed minimum analysis. including non plant foods such as humic and fulvic acid (both leonardite derived products. since the FDA has excluded Humics as a viable food source. the label would have to include all non plant foods and their percentages. It is why I first added the guaranteed analysis. either AN is lying to us or the FDA. its hard to tell since they lie to everyone. hence why their stock was pulled in Oregon and WA and they printed new labels.

If that's on their website, it's all the more reason not to ever support them or buy their over-priced products. Cannabis is endo, not ecto symbiant. You'd think all their so-called "scientists" would know that....Besides, they just have Mycorrhizal Applications in Grant's Pass, Oregon make up the product for them, slap on a fancy name and label and then charge 1,000x more for it.

 

[CT Guy]

i would strongly urge you to to put your powders in coffee filters and just let them tea in the rez. the powder is just gona dirty up roots, stones and pumps.

i would also use me tea bloom instead of iguana, or go 50/50. the tea dissolves better i find, and the smell and taste superior in the finished product.

always remember, the cleaner the tub is, the meaner the tub is haha lol, d

If it's strictly mycorrhizal fungi, wouldn't you want it free floating in your reservoir, as it only becomes active when it comes in direct contact with the roots of your plant.

 

[dmt]

the fungi is microscopic, and will leave the filter into the rez. the powder is just what the fungi lay dormant in.

water activates the spores, not the roots, and the powder will make a real mess of things as it doesnt dissolve, peace, d

 

[toohighmf]

"anti caking agents" are used in piranha and tarantula. they leave a silt like substance to be sucked up by pumps and clog lines. looks like precipitates, but it's just a dust...

 

[dmt]

i usually use the yellow screen of bubble bag types to put these powders in. allows all the goodness out, keeps all the dirt in. i do this for dirt or hydro when applicable, coffe filters are still practical, just not really reusable, d

 

[Scrogerman]

Great advise i must remember this one¬)

 

[CT Guy]

the fungi is microscopic, and will leave the filter into the rez. the powder is just what the fungi lay dormant in.

water activates the spores, not the roots, and the powder will make a real mess of things as it doesnt dissolve, peace, d

Please explain to me how water activates mycorrhizal fungi. All the research I've read on mycorrhizal fungi is that it need DIRECT contact with roots in order to become active. If you have other data that is contrary to this, please share. Thanks!

 

[big ballin 88]

Please explain to me how water activates mycorrhizal fungi. All the research I've read on mycorrhizal fungi is that it need DIRECT contact with roots in order to become active. If you have other data that is contrary to this, please share. Thanks!

Otherwise making cultures of mycorrhizal fungi would be much easier right? Isnt the powder freeze dried spores? How much time does the MF have to find a host? Sorry for all the questions CT.

 

[dmt]

i received all my info from the call centre at a n. when i first started using these powders, i thought foolishly they would dissolve. by the end of the day i lost half a crop to drought/stress and workd 3 times as much worrying and replacing and cleaning all the pumps, lines etc becuase of the powder.

i called a n with an earfull and they told me to make "benny bombs", and that the powder is just the host material the dormant fungi attaches to. so i went to a silk screener, and he just gave me end of the roll yellow micron. i9 use drippers too in dirt so the b bombs worked awesome for my dirt res with drippers/wands when applicable.

so a n went on to say that water awakens the fungi, then they go to work replicating once in contact with roots or sugar or both. so thats what ive done for the last 5 years.
remember that chlorine kills the bennies on contact, the way reg water awakens them. make sure you dechlorinate the water before adding any bennies, d

ps, for any reference material i prefer to cross reference any info from ic via the manufacture vs google. never good to rely on one source alone respectfully