Powered Bloom boosters vs Liquid Bloom boosters?

[dmt]

again. that is my experience being shared for the op or others if they like, im very aware they were my words, and im very aware of the meanings of them, contrary to some others belief systems.

ive only used 1 powder that worked awsome in hydro, bud blood aka blossom booster aka hydro booster. even in dwc and nft the others hurt more then helped.

i agree that liquid and powder can be intermixed between hydro and soil, but im not doin it, and am sharing that info for the reader.

liquids for me are easy, efficient and work well in all settings, but you pay for the convenience.

powders also have their respective higher qualities. there is a ying and yand in every situation, so is the way it always has and will be, a paradoxical universe. d

 

[DonkDBZ]

plain (pln)
adj. plain·er, plain·est
1. Free from obstructions; open; clear: in plain view.
2. Obvious to the mind; evident: make one's intention plain. See Synonyms at apparent.
3. Not elaborate or complicated; simple: plain food.
4. Straightforward; frank or candid: plain talk.
5. Not mixed with other substances; pure: plain water.
6. Common in rank or station; average; ordinary: a plain man.
7. Not pretentious; unaffected.
8. Marked by little or no ornamentation or decoration.
9. Not dyed, twilled, or patterned: a plain fabric.
10. Lacking beauty or distinction: a plain face.
11. Sheer; utter; unqualified: plain stupidity.
12. Archaic Having no visible elevation or depression; flat; level.
n.

simple
dj., -pler, -plest.
Having or composed of only one thing, element, or part. See synonyms at pure.
Not involved or complicated; easy: a simple task. See synonyms at easy.
Being without additions or modifications; mere: a simple "yes" or "no."
Having little or no ornamentation; not embellished or adorned: a simple dress.
Not elaborate, elegant, or luxurious. See synonyms at plain.
Unassuming or unpretentious; not affected.
Having or manifesting little sense or intelligence.
Uneducated; ignorant.
Unworldly or unsophisticated. See synonyms at naive.
Not guileful or deceitful; sincere.
Humble or lowly in condition or rank: a simple woodcutter.
Ordinary or common: a simple head cold.
Being a fundamental or rudimentary element; basic.
Not important or significant; trivial.
Biology. Having no divisions or branches; not compound: a simple leaf; a simple eye or lens.
Music. Being without figuration or elaboration: a simple tone.
n.
A single component of a complex, especially one that is unanalyzable.
A fool; a simpleton.
A person of humble birth or condition.
A medicinal plant or the medicine obtained from it.

i see no mention of ultimate truth there.....

So yeah feel free to keep grade school behavior with answers like that in someone elses thread.



Well I figured out what got me on my the train of thought for my question. I use timed released ferts for my Veggi Garden in my backyard. All the dry Bloom boosters are water soluble salts.

Well I am a dumbass and should reread labels more often.

 

[thefalsediviner]

Well I figured out what got me on my the train of thought for my question. I use timed released ferts for my Veggi Garden in my backyard. All the dry Bloom boosters are water soluble salts.

Well I am a dumbass and should reread labels more often.

No dude good question. You may have already read this but if not have fun. I'm of the opinion, that water soluble dry nutrients give growers a leg up in controlling their nutrient solutions.
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Sorry, your thread got jacked.

TFD

 

[Guest 18340]

again. that is my experience being shared for the op or others if they like, im very aware they were my words, and im very aware of the meanings of them, contrary to some others belief systems.

ive only used 1 powder that worked awsome in hydro, bud blood aka blossom booster aka hydro booster. even in dwc and nft the others hurt more then helped.

i agree that liquid and powder can be intermixed between hydro and soil, but im not doin it, and am sharing that info for the reader.

liquids for me are easy, efficient and work well in all settings, but you pay for the convenience.

powders also have their respective higher qualities. there is a ying and yand in every situation, so is the way it always has and will be, a paradoxical universe. d

Much better response.

 

[toohighmf]

Oh god, here we go.

There was a time way back before the liquid salt fert co's where ALL salt ferts came in powder form and there was only top drip systems, or flooding. now there are more mfgs of fertilizers than methods of growing. One is not superior to the other in way shape or form. in fact, the powder is the concentrate, and the liquid a dilute.. for instance when looking at AN liquid big bud, the NPK was once 0-1-4. Big bud powder is 0-10-40. it's 10x more concentrated than the liquid. if you want to pay an additional 30% for water and a less stabile product with a shorter shelf life. be my guest.

When you want bring fact vs. "your personal experience" into the equation like the rational, educated, experienced grower, I'm sure more will listen. I have seen your grows, and they are nice big ones. doesn't mean you know shit from shinola about fertigation. to challenge a mod for correcting you, perhaps you should view his galleries. oh and one more thing, bud blood and the like came from Rambridge's DRY FLOWERS, and in my "opinion" it's fucking garbage. learn about profiling NPK before buying what a friend or the hydro shop recommend. everyone wants to be right. I get it... If some of you opened your minds, more than your mouths, you just might learn something.

again.. You can lead a horse to water..

peas,

THMOTHAFUCKINF

 

[dmt]

yo too high, you used to work for an eh? i worked for a stint in the shop in poco, dont know if you know it?

vag says good things about you all the time. why dont you tell us how to make big bud powder..... i swear there is cayan pepper in there haha.

i read one of your posts about how there is no aminos in the new big bud, but the label says otherwise.

if you grow in hydro, are you telling me u just dump it all in and let the mixer pump do the rest? i seriously notice bb powder doesnt dissolve that well. id prefer to pay the money. its nothing compared to a successful harvest, d

 

[toohighmf]

I was a national Tech Rep for Distributors of AN. I owned a retail shop called Hooked On Ponics, I managed AAA indoor organic in Vegas. I'm currently a sales director and independent rep for a few MFG's & a Distributor. I am about to embark on my own distribution co of innovative new products that actually serve a pourpose, with no BS products.

The new label does NOT mention L-Aminos, as AN claims they put the Aminos in other products to make you buy them.

I don't have the recipe for Old Big Bud. If I wanted it bad enough and cared to, I would go get it. believe it or not, the recipe is on FACEBOOK lol!!!!!

I am very particular how I mix my ferts. for powders, you simply just dilute the desired amount in a gallon of warm water, shake the shit out of it and dump it in the rez. let the pumps and stones mix it into the solution. To use liquid for the ease of mixing is ridankulous to me. Not trying to disrespect, but it's how I feel after pulling down a couple hundred pounds indoors. I would never suggest to just dump things in the res and let the pumps mix it up. that is not how to properly mix ferts. some liquids are so thick, I dilute them in warm water too, like molasses, carbo, barricade, and some heavily concentrated humic or kelp based products as well. A good powdered fert will easily dissolve in water like MKP boosters, or GH's powdered fertilizers.

My next grow is going to be a side by side comparison using a very simple regiment of a 3 part regiment, Vs. What Biksa Sends me to compare with:
Conny AB
bud factor X
big bud
sensical bloom
budcandy
bud ignitor
and I forgot what else

vs.

B'cuzz AB
calmg+
pk 13/14
and possibly GH floralicious+ for humics.
oh, and a silicate for PH up, and molasses for carbs.

I expect identical results..

I would expect the same as if I used maxi bloom powder and Koolbloom.
with 50% fulvic acid concentrate from home depot.

 

[thefalsediviner]

I was a national Tech Rep for Distributors of AN. I owned a retail shop called Hooked On Ponics, I managed AAA indoor organic in Vegas. I'm currently a sales director and independent rep for a few MFG's & a Distributor. I am about to embark on my own distribution co of innovative new products that actually serve a pourpose, with no BS products.

As an aspiring retailer I would love to pick your brain. When I recover from my upcoming surgery my career change will most likely be retail grow shop owner.

TFD

 

[Crispywaffle]

it is for me sucka, who are you? d

Unless someone gives you sugar and water with those lemons, your lemonade is gonna suck

 

[Carl Carlson]

...

Mr. Sprungfeld, how can I hope to achieve such greatness?

A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

 

[dmt]

so i can just mix big bud powder 1:10 in my 23 l jug and disco? i come from a dont fix it if it aint broke kinda background.
so for the op, there really is no "liquid" becuase the source is always solid to begin with....?

why wouldnt koolbloom just come as all powder then, they just trying to fool the buyer and increase profits?has anyone just ran powder the whole way? d

 

[thefalsediviner]

so i can just mix big bud powder 1:10 in my 23 l jug and disco? i come from a dont fix it if it aint broke kinda background.

I don't know what the big bud powder ratio is but I dissolve my dry nutes with a cup or two of water, then add it to my reservoir.

so for the op, there really is no "liquid" becuase the source is always solid to begin with....?

There are a few liquid derived nutrients but not many. Most are dry nutrients mixed with h20.

why wouldnt koolbloom just come as all powder then, they just trying to fool the buyer and increase profits?
That is the most likely scenario.


has anyone just ran powder the whole way? d
I'm on that right now, so far so good.

I hope that helps.

TFD

 

[toohighmf]

Read GH's website to find out what they claim. the liquid is not the same NPK, and it is EXPENSIVE to be run throughout bloom til the last week of food, where you add powder "Ripener". Rezdog has a formula where you only use the powder weeks 3 & 6 or something to just 6/9 micro bloom throughout.. amazing results.

 

[mr. bojangles]

I've done it a few ways. I've ran kool bloom liquid weeks 3 thru 5 then dry every other feed weeks 6 and 7. No liquid just dry as per rezipe. P/K 13/14 during last 2/3 weeks before flush. And numerus combinations with various additives. Am about to start h&g schedule plus bud blood dry week 2/3 for only a few days, then big bud dry & pure flowers to finish it out. We'll see how it works. All info subject to change as per stoner epifiny.

 

[dmt]

i convinced an old grower i know not to switch to a.n. but use their 1:1:1 ratio instead of the 1:2:3 / 3:2:1 gh old school recipe w the 3 part and he says the results alonhe were spectacular. hes gron in the same space w same nutes for 15 years, he cliamed that changing the ratio made a bigger difference then when he started adding kool bloom powder(all he likes to use w 3 part) when they first released it. i totally agree with the phosphorus myth, not just by what they say but what i see.

i notice its not so much the brand u use but the ratios that you use them as. it took 3 talks with him to try it, and he's never been happier. so thats powder all the way, but a change in the formula he noticed most. i think there is alot of dogma with nutes relative every other industry, d

 

[HossCartwright]

Right now I'm in 5gal happy frog/ffof soil containers running:

Sensi AB
Bud Blood/Big Bud/Overdrive
Bud Candy
Calmag+
Silica Blast

I'm getting pretty solid results (~1.5#/light) with my current feeding schedule but I'm looking for something less expensive and less time consuming as I downsize from 15 to 5 patients and have to be much more cost efficient.

So, I'm considering switching over to the GH Maxi series for base nutes and replacing the bud blood/big bud/overdrive series with JUST koolbloom powder as the only pk booster/ripening agent for the entire 7 week nutrient regimen. I would continue using calmag+/silica blast and would also replace the bud candy with molasses.

Does this sound solid? Will my yields stay constant?

My major concern is actually that the powders are too hot. They post up some pretty intimidating numbers! Do I just go really light and stop when I hit my desired PPM and not even worry about the huge NPK numbers? I usually max out at around 1000-1200ppm during week 7 flower before finishing with 2-3 weeks of plain water.

watcha think toohighmf?

 

[toohighmf]

Sounds ideal Hoss. Use a 1/4 tsp and check your ppm. If it bumps your ppm less than 100, add another 1/4. I use it at about 200-300ppm. If your running 7 weeks, run koolbloom weeks 3 & 5. Flush for 2 weeks. That will be the biggest ripener of all, and no one wants you to know it. I just find 7 weeks flowering time to be a bit short. I used to run my bubba 50 days. When I found out how much heavier and better in every way going 10 weeks (65-70 days, I pretty much never went any less w any strain.

 

[dmt]

ive seen amazing results with a and b and big bud starting week 2 to flush. a and b 1000-1200 and big bud powder increasing it to 1600 as weeks progress. its the "high yield kit" minus the voodoo juice. its wierd and i understand the ratios, but the liquid seems way cooler then the powder @ the same dosages when used @ equal respective strengths,

hey too high, is a and b like a 3 part but with humates already added? or just a 3 down to a easier 2? d

 

[toohighmf]

A&B is was just like SVA/B and SBA/B. it was a direct copy; like 9/10ths of AN's line. As their 3 part is a cheap copy of GH flora series. liquid Big B is much weaker if that's what you mean.

 

[HossCartwright]

Sounds ideal Hoss. Use a 1/4 tsp and check your ppm. If it bumps your ppm less than 100, add another 1/4. I use it at about 200-300ppm. If your running 7 weeks, run koolbloom weeks 3 & 5. Flush for 2 weeks. That will be the biggest ripener of all, and no one wants you to know it. I just find 7 weeks flowering time to be a bit short. I used to run my bubba 50 days. When I found out how much heavier and better in every way going 10 weeks (65-70 days, I pretty much never went any less w any strain.

I think you misunderstood me. I go 9-10 weeks total. I feed for 7 weeks. Then I give them plain water for the last 2 to 3 weeks. Does that change your opinion on when to give them KB?