How do you fell about med pot licenses? Do the hinder total legalization?

[amrad]

I'm sort of torn by the whole idea of med pot. I know a lot of us out there need this medicine, it just pisses me of that have to go hat in hand and beg to legally grow something that helps us live our lives without pain. Its our bodies and minds, not the states. The state must serve the individual not the other way around. And its a plant for goodness sake!! I dont need permission to grow lettuce, yet.
I think that licensing med pot is a step backwards for total legalization. Its the beginning of a dangerous trend. On the one hand they defuse the issue by throwing us a bone. A pacifier of sorts. A license to use pot as medicine, "Oh thank you so much, now can I lick your nuts?"
On the other hand they are setting the stage for something more sinister legalization with state intervention, like licensing limits on where and how much you can grow, or who can grow.
How do you fell about this? I say stick your friggen licence, I'll grow my own medicine,thanks. .

 

[dmt]

corporations own our governments. anything that empowers humans naturally whith the need for elite peoples ideologies is banned, illegal, outlawed, exterminated. especially something that not only heightens awareness and conciousness but heals, feeds, fuels and clothes us , d

 

[teemu shalanie]

Totaly D, U GOT IT man , Im in the process of trying to get my medical license right now and you just have to stick to your guns and remember who is the boss.
These docs are programed to up the dosage, more pills, muscle relacsents, pain killers, but god forbid you try to be healthy and self medicate, using medical cannabis.
I will be heading to the doc , again tommorow , just gotta keep trying, and not be bullied by non-compliant docs. keep u posted on my struggle. TS

 

[amrad]

Good luck Teemu, hope you get what you need. Dmt I agree with you in that the elites would like to keep us unconsious, although we do a dam good job at that ourselves. We throw our hands up and say, hey what can I do.
I'm a union man, and have fought many battles with managment, which is a good parallel to med users and government. During hard negotiations they would always throw crumps on the table, and a few would always want to take the bait, the easy way out, but usually if we held strong we got what we wanted.

 

[Green&Gold]

I'm happy to have my lic.... takes away all the paranoia, and makes it easy to be fully "out and proud". In my estimation the single biggest thing that will make a difference towards normalization of Cannabis is, every smoker standing-up without shame, and daring everyone else to understand. How can "normal" people ever look at us without shame, if we cannot do the same!!!!!

 

[amrad]

Ya very good point. But on the other hand the general consensus among straight folk, I work with more than a few, LOL, is that med licensees are playing the system so they can smoke and grow with out legal consequences. This does nothing for acceptability of cannabis in the larger community.

 

[Reverend Mojo]

Anything that removes the last 100 years of stigma on cannabis is a good thing imho. MMR is a good thing!

 

[dmt]

I'm happy to have my lic.... takes away all the paranoia, and makes it easy to be fully "out and proud". In my estimation the single biggest thing that will make a difference towards normalization of Cannabis is, every smoker standing-up without shame, and daring everyone else to understand. How can "normal" people ever look at us without shame, if we cannot do the same!!!!!

this is so relative to taxes, pot and centralized banking. it would be rad if we all made a no work, no buying just meditation day.unity is power, division in conquered. see how the stock brokers feel about that, d

 

[apartmentblower]

med licensees are playing the system so they can smoke and grow with out legal consequences

how exactly is that "playing the system"? Your co-workers are dipshits.

 

[amrad]

how exactly is that "playing the system"? Your co-workers are dipshits.

Ya I sort of agree, their not dipshits, perhaps uninformed would be a kinder term. But that is a very prevalent view.
And you cant honestly tell me you dont know licensees that have exaggerated their symptom or outright lied to get their exemption?
Come on now.
What really advances legalization is when you have high functioning individuals promoting the cause, like the late Pierre Burton.

 

[dmt]

the system is playing us w all the loop holes to get a script. things gotta change for the better, and will. once hc is flooded with too much applications, they will have to lobby more resources and less headaches , d

 

[apartmentblower]

Ya I sort of agree, their not dipshits, perhaps uninformed would be a kinder term. But that is a very prevalent view.
And you cant honestly tell me you dont know licensees that have exaggerated their symptom or outright lied to get their exemption?
Come on now.
What really advances legalization is when you have high functioning individuals promoting the cause, like the late Pierre Burton.

a minority of people lying or exaggerating to get their cards (which is pretty tough... you need your specialist to diagnose you and if you are cat1 i think its pretty hard to fake having HIV or cancer or a spinal injury) doesn't mean that most people with MMAR cards are "playing the system". FWIW i can't exactly see shiny shirted gangsters taking the initiative to go through the forms and find a good doc to get their card. its quite ludicrous. the "system" screws us all in many other ways, anyways. What makes it even sillier is that category 2 exists for literally every single condition marijuana helps with. if someone criticized me for being carded because i walk around and appear to be healthy id probably call them a dipshit

 

[VagPuncher]

If you don't think a high percentage of people with MMAR cards are just a bunch of fucking drug dealers then you're a fool.

And I mean HIGH percentage.

 

[amrad]

if someone criticized me for being carded because i walk around and appear to be healthy id probably call them a dipshit

Ya, and I would agree, anyone that feels like cannabis helps them should, no must have the right to administer to their own health. Its the government making qualifications for this medicine that I find fault in. They have purposely done this because it appeases those that are willing to go through the hoops for a licence. The crux of the matter is that only some people have access while others that refuse to play the game are out. It hinders total legalization by dividing the community.

 

[dmt]

you know, my medical conditions really changed me for the better in a way. i do 30-60 min a day of chi gong and eat mostly raw organic food. though im very fucked, these things balance my life with pot to really take the edge off of anything.

and the shiney shirts, who says they cant bribe a doc to get a script? its hard to tell and not judge. there are alot of healthy people that act fucked, and alot of busted up people that act okay. you really have to know to make an assertion, d

 

[amrad]

Hey DMT that is so good, really that affirms my case. You should not have had to snivel at the feet of government to do what is right for you. This option should be open to all, and thats my point. A lot out there that would benefit from cannabis are left out. We need total legalization, without any punitive clauses attached, you are master of yourself.

 

[apartmentblower]

If you don't think a high percentage of people with MMAR cards are just a bunch of fucking drug dealers then you're a fool.

And I mean HIGH percentage.

when i see the next retirement thread from you with 2lb early m39 trees im gonna know its true

 

[dmt]

i mean , even if someone gets a very legit script, and dont know how to grow, how do you or they know or hc for that matter , if the grower isnt a g or random greedy weed stealing feind. so subject to the circumstance.

look on the net, people hopped on this 10 years ago, and have been selling, growing and coaching folks since the get go. who do you think they know to help/grow/buy/sell their legal med pot? its not people who dont know about this industry 99% of the time, d

 

[apartmentblower]

look on the net, people hopped on this 10 years ago, and have been selling, growing and coaching folks since the get go. who do you think they know to help/grow/buy/sell their legal med pot? its not people who dont know about this industry 99% of the time, d

ok i can understand the jaded view towards the program b/c ive also heard about the scams with people getting docs to sign in exchange for said persons being DG's and dispensaries making tidy profits and people selling licenses for cash per plant

personally i think if its true, better weed being diverted to the black market on a big scale from excess MMAR grows is cool. less people smoking plain shitty street weed is a great step. the only people whining are the same people with their hands in the pot. if they are growing for themselves and other legit patients they have nothing to worry about. ive read alot of whiny shit on this forum from around the continent about various aspects of legalization and medical programs and most of it comes from the ones who are toiling under the guise of legality while making grey or black market money. i dont care much either way.

 

[HossCartwright]

I think it's absolutely tragic and ridiculous that a plant that grows naturally upon the earth can be made illegal and controlled by our governments. That being said, I'm glad pfizer, Budweiser and phillip morris aren't in the cannabis market. If it were outright legal, you can bet your ass cannabis would be sold out by corporations in no time at all and it would be just like it is in the netherlands, ILLEGAL TO GROW for the average person. Medical marijuana protects cannabis from corporations if nothing else.