all u got to do is take of ten fans like someone else hear said and lay them on the ground and look at the surface area they block, youll be shocked. imo you have to trim, i trim even the small fans late bloomto increase air circulation to halt mold forming, nature knows well, but sometimes u gotta lend her a hand.
Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?
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great thread. glad to see people experimenting even if it goes against all we have heard.
over 400 posts read...guess I been here all night! This was so incredible that I couldn't leave, been here on the edge of my chair the whole time.
Thnx to all who posted, some of the before and after pics just blew me away! Awesome indeed! Will def try this. Peace
Thnx to all who posted, some of the before and after pics just blew me away! Awesome indeed! Will def try this. Peace
Balarama67
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Well, I intend to report back here when mine come to harvest!
I just cleaned my girls up, day 18 of 12/12:
Before
Nice shots, Only thing I may advise is start them in 12/12 a little earlier next time and defoliate sooner. That will prevent getting too tall. Obviously you are limited by square footage so by shooting for shorter and wider will get the most out of your light. There is always a height limit to the usable vertical column of premium light. To allow plants to exceed that zone, even with deleafing can cause diminished returns. Otherwise I think these will be fine. Look forward to an update when they releaf.
You could maybe bend down all the tallest branches at least a foot and then lower the lamp. If you can rig some kind of net at that level would be ideal. See my simple net on a pvc frame with just a few loops of string. Pics in my album. No need for a perfectly parallel netting with 2" spacing and 30 knots like some guys insist on tying together. Nothing too elaborate. Some 3'-4' legs should get the net up to the proper height.
thefalsediviner
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Good thread. I think I'll join in and start experimenting with this as well.
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Dropastone
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I've been following this thread from the beginning and I like what I see and here.
I have two plants from clone and I just put 1 in my flower room but she's still on a 16-8 light schedule under a 400 Watt MH . I defoliated her about a week ago and she is starting to re leaf already.
My Question is, should I go 12-12 now or wait untill she puts on more leaf first?
My plan was to let her veg for another week before I went 12-12 but I'm unsure if she should be striped bare before going into 12-12? Or should she have more leaf before 12-12 then strip her after the stretch?
Or should I let her go another week and defoliate again and then switch to 12-12?
As for the other one in the veg room, I gonna keep up with the defoliation technique for about 10 weeks before I put her into flower.
These clones have already been vegging for 10 weeks under a total of 208 watts of 6500k cfls.
I know I'm starting late in the game with defoliating but I'm going with it anyway.
The first two pics are before defoliation.
This one is the clone in my veg room just after I defoliated her.
This one was defoliated a week ago and it's the one I'm about to switch to 12-12.
Any advise would be appreciated.
I have two plants from clone and I just put 1 in my flower room but she's still on a 16-8 light schedule under a 400 Watt MH . I defoliated her about a week ago and she is starting to re leaf already.
My Question is, should I go 12-12 now or wait untill she puts on more leaf first?
My plan was to let her veg for another week before I went 12-12 but I'm unsure if she should be striped bare before going into 12-12? Or should she have more leaf before 12-12 then strip her after the stretch?
Or should I let her go another week and defoliate again and then switch to 12-12?
As for the other one in the veg room, I gonna keep up with the defoliation technique for about 10 weeks before I put her into flower.
These clones have already been vegging for 10 weeks under a total of 208 watts of 6500k cfls.
I know I'm starting late in the game with defoliating but I'm going with it anyway.
The first two pics are before defoliation.
This one is the clone in my veg room just after I defoliated her.
This one was defoliated a week ago and it's the one I'm about to switch to 12-12.
Any advise would be appreciated.
Stone, it may be of some value to mentions your flowering light. If this your first time trying it, maybe you should flower now. You have 2 plants at similar levels of gorwth, but one being a little ahead. This should give you a good base line to play with and see if more veg or less is needed to fill your space.
having said that, I think that more veg wold be helpful depending on flower light cause you can always train to get the most.
having said that, I think that more veg wold be helpful depending on flower light cause you can always train to get the most.
paint4420
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so im just starting to mine for golden trich's in my closet, but i've had a thought! a miracle i know! 
any way im thinking about the cure process and looking at this thread and threads on other forums and places. so far all i've found are some really scrawny lookin girls that remind me of a group shot of americas next top model!
well except for the 4 day pic, but thats just 4 days not the whole life cycle....
my point however is that when we cure, we all try to keep buds in a cool DARK areas so that the thc doesnt decay due to light i could how ever be wrong that light doesnt effect the bud or trichs at all during actual growth.
but if light does constantly harm and decay thc production now wouldnt you want this to be at all times?
when i look at the plant im constantly finding big fan leaves over bud sites... damn near look like that what it wants to do naturally!
but more interesting is that the flower sites and tichs are mostly light colors and white. and since white is the reflection of all color in the visible spectrum, we can resonable assume that the plant has evolved over countless years of evolution to reflect light and protect the budsites to preserve the lovley, lovley sensimillia vag
just an idea
any way im thinking about the cure process and looking at this thread and threads on other forums and places. so far all i've found are some really scrawny lookin girls that remind me of a group shot of americas next top model!
well except for the 4 day pic, but thats just 4 days not the whole life cycle....
my point however is that when we cure, we all try to keep buds in a cool DARK areas so that the thc doesnt decay due to light i could how ever be wrong that light doesnt effect the bud or trichs at all during actual growth.
but if light does constantly harm and decay thc production now wouldnt you want this to be at all times?
when i look at the plant im constantly finding big fan leaves over bud sites... damn near look like that what it wants to do naturally!
but more interesting is that the flower sites and tichs are mostly light colors and white. and since white is the reflection of all color in the visible spectrum, we can resonable assume that the plant has evolved over countless years of evolution to reflect light and protect the budsites to preserve the lovley, lovley sensimillia vag
just an idea
Dropastone
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I'll be flowering under a 400 watt HPS.
My room dimensions are 3x3x7 but I only want my plant to get 36" tall or less.
My plant is currently 15" tall.
Aksala
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I think its because more buds are being hit by the light? You are basically describing exactly what the guy is trying to do....let more light through.....
Light hitting a bud = waaaaay better than light hitting a leaf is the basic idea.
So what if light reaches the floor as long as those buds lining the stems are getting direct light...
I've always trimmed up my plants so that more buds could get light but not to this extreme....I may try it now though....
Usually I just make sure that any decent looking buds aren't blocked out completely by leaves.....and then about a week before I cut em down I remove all the fan leaves that aren't caked in resin.
superbolan
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I think its more than just a light thing. I believe that the plant doesn't put as much of priority on leaves when it gets to a certain point and uses all its energy to complete the budding process something which would ensure the survival of its species. when i first tested this i only did it to a couple of plants , on the plants that were trimmed all the buds grew faster. On the plants that were not trimmed even the buds with no shading fully in the light did not grow as fast. just my opinion and an observation
re light hitting the bud directly
i have heard a theory, of the trichomes acting in much the same way a magnifying glass can with the sun, trichomes focusing the sun tightly into the plant
i wonder if this actually happens, and if it somehow accelerates the photosynthesis process?
p.s. i had a to trim a bunch more today, leafage can grow back rather quickly...saving my leaf for tea purposes, man i'm gonna' have a lot of tea!
i have heard a theory, of the trichomes acting in much the same way a magnifying glass can with the sun, trichomes focusing the sun tightly into the plant
i wonder if this actually happens, and if it somehow accelerates the photosynthesis process?
p.s. i had a to trim a bunch more today, leafage can grow back rather quickly...saving my leaf for tea purposes, man i'm gonna' have a lot of tea!
I've been following this thread from the beginning and I like what I see and here.
I have two plants from clone and I just put 1 in my flower room but she's still on a 16-8 light schedule under a 400 Watt MH . I defoliated her about a week ago and she is starting to re leaf already.
My Question is, should I go 12-12 now or wait untill she puts on more leaf first?
My plan was to let her veg for another week before I went 12-12 but I'm unsure if she should be striped bare before going into 12-12? Or should she have more leaf before 12-12 then strip her after the stretch?
Or should I let her go another week and defoliate again and then switch to 12-12?
As for the other one in the veg room, I gonna keep up with the defoliation technique for about 10 weeks before I put her into flower.
These clones have already been vegging for 10 weeks under a total of 208 watts of 6500k cfls.
I know I'm starting late in the game with defoliating but I'm going with it anyway.
The first two pics are before defoliation.
This one is the clone in my veg room just after I defoliated her.
This one was defoliated a week ago and it's the one I'm about to switch to 12-12.
Any advise would be appreciated.
Those look nice. They both are plenty ready to flower. If you have the space to train them out, build a pvc frame and net. Much easier than tying down individual branches. I would not veg them anymore. They are going to be massive with that start. Defoliating is the only thing to contain them in 3'x3'
Dropastone
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Right on man. I'll flip her today and I'll start thinking about building a frame for a net today as well. Thanks for your help and I'll try to keep you posted on her progress.
Its been 8 days sence my 1st round of defoliating and things are already filling back in. My plan was to wait for day 32 before another round of leaf removal but thats not gonna work out if i want this to work so today is it. Ill get another before and after pic today. Seems like the smaller secondary fan leaves stepped up to take over for the missing leaves. Bud growth still hasent slowed at all. Things look great all the way to the soil. Peace LL
Have never seen any reduction in quality. It is strictly a structural change. If there was ever any ill effect of any kind I would never had carried this technique to the extremes that I do.
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