stlsoldier531
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Perhaps some people need to work on their transplanting skills. Just my
Perhaps some people need to open their minds to other ways of growing. Just my
start in big pot vs transplant
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Perhaps some people need to open their minds to other ways of growing. Just my
stlsoldier531
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I am over it, I actually thought it was funny...But anyways..no hard feelings..bro
Courtesy of Lt. Dan (conventional)Now onto the topic of root pruning "air pots"...
I remember that uncle ben thread quite well stlsoldier, as I had finally approved its entry as a growfaq contribution at og. He used a spray on copper hydroxide product called spin out made by griffin. As such, it's a chemical prune that takes place when using that product. Much debate over whether or not the copper oxide 'chemical pruning' would have any adverse effect on the plant or buds, but not much really ever came out of that debate.
Uncle Ben's results were very impressive running spin out to say the least.
Look here... https://www.icmag.com/modules/Tutorials/GrowthCont/1321.htm
That being said though, chemical pruning is an entirely different animal than air pruning, so yes, I'd love to see some photographed disections of non chemically pruned roots systems comparing smart pots / air pots to a conventionally potted up root systems.
any takers ?
Courtesy of Lt. Dan (super roots air pots)
Lt. Dan posted these a few years back...he is a member on Icmag...
Don't know about you but to me that Air Pot looks a lot better..lol..
redneck shogun
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Perhaps some people need to open their minds to other ways of growing. Just my
I wasn't directing that at you but I see how you could take it that way. You're barking up the wrong tree though if you think I am not open minded to the different ways of growing. I practically ruined my marriage while learning from years of mistakes and trying different methods. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, I just think everyone should work on all their basic skills using many different kinds of plants. That includes transplanting.
stlsoldier531
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I apologize my friend...
I am all about trying new things. So many growers are so old school in their ways of doing things and I understand why. People are sometimes to afraid to take chances in life..it's like they think if they take a chance and fuck up one grow then it's all over...lol..
I have nothing but the highest respect for you my friend for trying so many things..
stlsoldier531
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I have a question about transplanting
My question is this...I have been told that roots don't really grow that much during flowering..Is this true??
If so, then lets say I start a plant in a 1 gallon pot...and vegg her for 3 weeks...then at the start of 12/12 put her into a 3 or 4 gallon pot....my question is...Will her roots still grow enough during flowering to fill out the pot???
My question is this...I have been told that roots don't really grow that much during flowering..Is this true??
If so, then lets say I start a plant in a 1 gallon pot...and vegg her for 3 weeks...then at the start of 12/12 put her into a 3 or 4 gallon pot....my question is...Will her roots still grow enough during flowering to fill out the pot???
^ you wanna transplant before flowering. let her sit in the pot for a week before you flip. and yes if you do well the roots will fill out. Get some root ehancer/booster to help with your transplants. roots excelurator works great.
roots will grow for the first couple of weeks or so of flowering for indicas. sativas will grow roots further into flowering.
i do the final repot, usually from a 1-2 gallon to 4 gallon at the same point as i start flowering (and fit the scrog screen) , and the roots have always filled the pot whatever strain i am growing, i find you get plenty of stretch doing it that way which is good for a scrogger like me.
of course another advantage of repotting is that you can change the ferts in the soil mix to be more suitable for flowering
VG.
p.s. i get about 3 quarters of an ounce per gallon of soil. would be interesting to know what others get, but i s'pose the size of light etc will influence that too.
i do the final repot, usually from a 1-2 gallon to 4 gallon at the same point as i start flowering (and fit the scrog screen) , and the roots have always filled the pot whatever strain i am growing, i find you get plenty of stretch doing it that way which is good for a scrogger like me.
of course another advantage of repotting is that you can change the ferts in the soil mix to be more suitable for flowering
VG.
p.s. i get about 3 quarters of an ounce per gallon of soil. would be interesting to know what others get, but i s'pose the size of light etc will influence that too.
stlsoldier531
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roots will grow for the first couple of weeks or so of flowering for indicas. sativas will grow roots further into flowering.
i do the final repot, usually from a 1-2 gallon to 4 gallon at the same point as i start flowering (and fit the scrog screen) , and the roots have always filled the pot whatever strain i am growing, i find you get plenty of stretch doing it that way which is good for a scrogger like me.
of course another advantage of repotting is that you can change the ferts in the soil mix to be more suitable for flowering
VG.
p.s. i get about 3 quarters of an ounce per gallon of soil. would be interesting to know what others get, but i s'pose the size of light etc will influence that too.
Well I have been the one preaching about being open minded to new techniques that I haven't really tried...so I will transplant on my next grow instead of starting seeds in final pots and see how much better my results will be...
Thanks for the info VerdantGreen...
It's all about efficiencies in the system you are using. Transplants have the advantage of taking a smaller footprint so folks can save money on lighting till it's flower time or close to it. No transplant saves all that mucking about, but as is stated, needs close attention to watering levels - as do transplanted pots - they need even more attention. The growth spurts denote retarded growth before the spurt, period.
Plants will grow virtually non-stop as pointed out earlier, if you have decent clones I see no real reason to up-pot several times - except so many new growers kill their plants with kindness (water). Just use small measured amounts of water till they get bigger then increase amount slowly. Unfortunately the lift and test method is physically demanding for med patients etc, otherwise, with a little practise, it's very easy.
VG - as usual you are showing your skills. I only get (got, grow in a bed now) about 3 z's from 5 gallon. 3/5 = 0.6 z's per gallon. And my footprint is probably larger, another way I look at yield is per square foot. With the low plant numbers I run I get 1 z psf. I've seen that more than doubled in scrog by other growers but I can't afford to raise the numbers in that manner.
Plants will grow virtually non-stop as pointed out earlier, if you have decent clones I see no real reason to up-pot several times - except so many new growers kill their plants with kindness (water). Just use small measured amounts of water till they get bigger then increase amount slowly. Unfortunately the lift and test method is physically demanding for med patients etc, otherwise, with a little practise, it's very easy.
VG - as usual you are showing your skills. I only get (got, grow in a bed now) about 3 z's from 5 gallon. 3/5 = 0.6 z's per gallon. And my footprint is probably larger, another way I look at yield is per square foot. With the low plant numbers I run I get 1 z psf. I've seen that more than doubled in scrog by other growers but I can't afford to raise the numbers in that manner.
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I'll step in.
I'll step in.
OK here it goes. Not that I have a lot of years under my belt. I do have some sort of obsession disorder. So I have tried a ton of shit in a short amount of time.
Currently growing in
20 gallon
3 gallon
7 gallon
1 gallon
16 oz cup
Almost forgot 5 gallon DWC
Here is my two cents. I clone in rock-wool or air cloner.
Recently shut down air cloner. Hate having to deal with long dangling roots, if you don't stay on top of it. Harder to hand out to buddies that grow in wool or hydroton.
Either way I transplant into smaller cups. This allows me to keep a closer eye on them and determine how much water they are taking up. As soon as I feel the cups are getting light in a 24 period I know the roots have really taken off. I then decide what is my next pot. If I'm early into flowering in my other rooms I'll transplant into one gallon pots. Basically they are on the way out the door. Let someone else decide what pot to grow in. My friends love receiving in one gallon pots. Typically they are 12 inches tall. Now for the trickier part.
I have 3 different growing styles.
Trees in 20 gallon pots (vertical)
2 shelves vertical 7 gallon pots
Flat gardening two Magnum hoods over 4x8 trey. 3 gallon pots.
I know I'm getting a little off topic but bare with me.
I run roots accelerator. Best shit you'll ever buy. I ran a test 20 and 20 in 1 gallon pot. Uhhhmmmm I should have taken pictures. Staggering. It wasn't in percentage increase but exponentially.
Back to my point I do have a couple of 3 gallons in the 7 gallon room and the roots grow right up to the surface and seem like they are bound up. Plants and yield are substantially lower and seem to be very temper-mental. Bigger pot is winner for sure in that room.
BTW I only use roots excel for 3 weeks.
Now when I decided to grow trees I took plants in 3 gallon pots which weren't root bound and carefully transfered into 20 gallon pots and watered with roots. Kept the light on for 5 days 24 hours and then flipped to 12's. Watered again at the flip with roots. 7 days later I had balls. (started from fem seeds) Anyways... puck that point. I went to pull the bastards out and they were completely rooted to the outside of the pot. I would say root bound.
Two points. The roots must grow during at least the early stages of flower and roots excel is no joke. I now only run it the first 3 weeks of veg.
Does anybody want to buy some Magnum hoods cheap? Just kidding I'm going to switch them to my veg room. I'm also done with 3 gallon pots.
Shit.. I'm out of here, need to go buy some air pots. Will report back.
BTW I will be harvesting at least 1/2 p from one of the 20 gallon pots and none will be less then 4 oz not even the GDP. I have to say it's easier but not sure about the total yield vs. watts. Basically 8 trees around 4k of light.
Almost forgot, I like the one gallon pots if I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the clones. It's way easier to transfer a one gallon then a three. And I can stack them in there really tight. If I was buying clones and going for production. Vertical, 2 to 5 shelves, clones straight to 7 gallon pots, roots excel., lights on for 5 to 10 days and flip. Less watering easy to manage.
That's my two cents worth.
Now I'm off to buy some smarter pots.
I'll step in.
OK here it goes. Not that I have a lot of years under my belt. I do have some sort of obsession disorder. So I have tried a ton of shit in a short amount of time.
Currently growing in
20 gallon
3 gallon
7 gallon
1 gallon
16 oz cup
Almost forgot 5 gallon DWC
Here is my two cents. I clone in rock-wool or air cloner.
Recently shut down air cloner. Hate having to deal with long dangling roots, if you don't stay on top of it. Harder to hand out to buddies that grow in wool or hydroton.
Either way I transplant into smaller cups. This allows me to keep a closer eye on them and determine how much water they are taking up. As soon as I feel the cups are getting light in a 24 period I know the roots have really taken off. I then decide what is my next pot. If I'm early into flowering in my other rooms I'll transplant into one gallon pots. Basically they are on the way out the door. Let someone else decide what pot to grow in. My friends love receiving in one gallon pots. Typically they are 12 inches tall. Now for the trickier part.
I have 3 different growing styles.
Trees in 20 gallon pots (vertical)
2 shelves vertical 7 gallon pots
Flat gardening two Magnum hoods over 4x8 trey. 3 gallon pots.
I know I'm getting a little off topic but bare with me.
I run roots accelerator. Best shit you'll ever buy. I ran a test 20 and 20 in 1 gallon pot. Uhhhmmmm I should have taken pictures. Staggering. It wasn't in percentage increase but exponentially.
Back to my point I do have a couple of 3 gallons in the 7 gallon room and the roots grow right up to the surface and seem like they are bound up. Plants and yield are substantially lower and seem to be very temper-mental. Bigger pot is winner for sure in that room.
BTW I only use roots excel for 3 weeks.
Now when I decided to grow trees I took plants in 3 gallon pots which weren't root bound and carefully transfered into 20 gallon pots and watered with roots. Kept the light on for 5 days 24 hours and then flipped to 12's. Watered again at the flip with roots. 7 days later I had balls. (started from fem seeds) Anyways... puck that point. I went to pull the bastards out and they were completely rooted to the outside of the pot. I would say root bound.
Two points. The roots must grow during at least the early stages of flower and roots excel is no joke. I now only run it the first 3 weeks of veg.
Does anybody want to buy some Magnum hoods cheap? Just kidding I'm going to switch them to my veg room. I'm also done with 3 gallon pots.
Shit.. I'm out of here, need to go buy some air pots. Will report back.
BTW I will be harvesting at least 1/2 p from one of the 20 gallon pots and none will be less then 4 oz not even the GDP. I have to say it's easier but not sure about the total yield vs. watts. Basically 8 trees around 4k of light.
Almost forgot, I like the one gallon pots if I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the clones. It's way easier to transfer a one gallon then a three. And I can stack them in there really tight. If I was buying clones and going for production. Vertical, 2 to 5 shelves, clones straight to 7 gallon pots, roots excel., lights on for 5 to 10 days and flip. Less watering easy to manage.
That's my two cents worth.
Now I'm off to buy some smarter pots.
stlsoldier531
Member
Thanks Praise!!!
stlsoldier531
Member
OK here it goes. Not that I have a lot of years under my belt. I do have some sort of obsession disorder. So I have tried a ton of shit in a short amount of time.
Currently growing in
20 gallon
3 gallon
7 gallon
1 gallon
16 oz cup
Almost forgot 5 gallon DWC
Here is my two cents. I clone in rock-wool or air cloner.
Recently shut down air cloner. Hate having to deal with long dangling roots, if you don't stay on top of it. Harder to hand out to buddies that grow in wool or hydroton.
Either way I transplant into smaller cups. This allows me to keep a closer eye on them and determine how much water they are taking up. As soon as I feel the cups are getting light in a 24 period I know the roots have really taken off. I then decide what is my next pot. If I'm early into flowering in my other rooms I'll transplant into one gallon pots. Basically they are on the way out the door. Let someone else decide what pot to grow in. My friends love receiving in one gallon pots. Typically they are 12 inches tall. Now for the trickier part.
I have 3 different growing styles.
Trees in 20 gallon pots (vertical)
2 shelves vertical 7 gallon pots
Flat gardening two Magnum hoods over 4x8 trey. 3 gallon pots.
I know I'm getting a little off topic but bare with me.
I run roots accelerator. Best shit you'll ever buy. I ran a test 20 and 20 in 1 gallon pot. Uhhhmmmm I should have taken pictures. Staggering. It wasn't in percentage increase but exponentially.
Back to my point I do have a couple of 3 gallons in the 7 gallon room and the roots grow right up to the surface and seem like they are bound up. Plants and yield are substantially lower and seem to be very temper-mental. Bigger pot is winner for sure in that room.
BTW I only use roots excel for 3 weeks.
Now when I decided to grow trees I took plants in 3 gallon pots which weren't root bound and carefully transfered into 20 gallon pots and watered with roots. Kept the light on for 5 days 24 hours and then flipped to 12's. Watered again at the flip with roots. 7 days later I had balls. (started from fem seeds) Anyways... puck that point. I went to pull the bastards out and they were completely rooted to the outside of the pot. I would say root bound.
Two points. The roots must grow during at least the early stages of flower and roots excel is no joke. I now only run it the first 3 weeks of veg.
Does anybody want to buy some Magnum hoods cheap? Just kidding I'm going to switch them to my veg room. I'm also done with 3 gallon pots.
Shit.. I'm out of here, need to go buy some air pots. Will report back.
BTW I will be harvesting at least 1/2 p from one of the 20 gallon pots and none will be less then 4 oz not even the GDP. I have to say it's easier but not sure about the total yield vs. watts. Basically 8 trees around 4k of light.
Almost forgot, I like the one gallon pots if I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the clones. It's way easier to transfer a one gallon then a three. And I can stack them in there really tight. If I was buying clones and going for production. Vertical, 2 to 5 shelves, clones straight to 7 gallon pots, roots excel., lights on for 5 to 10 days and flip. Less watering easy to manage.
That's my two cents worth.
Now I'm off to buy some smarter pots.
Very interesting..I like
I'm mixing the two ideas together. I just ordered smart pots in 2, 3, and 5 gallon sizes(rounded numbers) and I'm going to transplant them along the way. I currently have some plants in 1 and 3 gallon grow bags. They work okay but I think the smart pots will increase my yield.
I would try that root accelerator but I grow organic. I do use beneficial fungus and bacteria in my soil and teas to create the best soil I can.
I would try that root accelerator but I grow organic. I do use beneficial fungus and bacteria in my soil and teas to create the best soil I can.
