5000 barrels a day of oil (210,000 gallons) leak off the coast of Louisiana

[DiscoBiscuit]

I'm listening to a guy right now, estimating the fallout as "well, some it evaporates and some of it bio-degrades, so you're only looking at half of what's gushing out of the hole."

Is that half-bullshitting or simply bullshitting? Couldn't get the name, he was on Hardball opposite Philippe Cousteau on the June 8 broadcast. I have to wonder if BP bought this guy like they bought Google text-searches.

 

[JackTheGrower]

The Dispersant they use is causing the oil that would normally float to be dissolved into many meters of water deep that will travel the oceans.
The dissolved oil can say liquid in much colder water than it would under natural conditions so fishing and kelp are in danger from what I understand.

 

[JackTheGrower]

I'm listening to a guy right now, estimating the fallout as "well, some it evaporates and some of it bio-degrades, so you're only looking at half of what's gushing out of the hole."

Is that half-bullshitting or simply bullshitting? Couldn't get the name, he was on Hardball opposite Philippe Cousteau on the June 8 broadcast. I have to wonder if BP bought this guy like they bought Google text-searches.

They bought Google Text Searches? I know CNN was fully booked by BP on the day I watched it. In essence BP was the senior advertiser for CNN the day I watched it.
I thought the image BP was presenting was not realistic.

Oh this has to be horrid for BP but we are talking about the Worlds Oceans here. BP is expendable as far as I am concerned.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I'll see if I can find a link about the text searches. I just saw a petroleum institute expert on Olberman suggesting a worst-case-scenario. What was described as the "convoluted" nature of the drill pipe (I'd also heard "telescopic") could rupture due to pressure variances caused by the latest cap. Apparently, this could cause multiple, sub-sea floor leaks, thus multiple, sea floor ruptures that might only be controlled (not necessarily stopped) by the relief well already in progress.

Here's the link - search engine re-direct to BP owned site:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Br...e-phrases-redirecting-users/story?id=10835618

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

It appears the credit default swap has it's origins with Exxon Valdez and J. P. Morgan. There are too many stories on the HuffPo "green" page so they've added a "Gulf Oil Spill" page to contain links for a few hours longer. After story links leave this new page, Googles are all that find them. Too much to read as they're "here today, gone today".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/08/exxon-valdez-how-that-dis_n_605080.html

 

[White-rhino]

So hydrogen will have to be used as a supply on demand. Or we will figure out the storage issue.

So many times in our history the nay sayers proclaim "that will never work"

You think we can land a man on the moon but not figure out a way to store hydrogen??

Oil Spill Appears to be INTENTIONAL. Destroy the world for the allmighty DOLLAR

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread581151/pg1

What part of no tank in the known universe can hold it is hard to understand? You think they're going to discover a new element in the near future, smaller than hydrogen, then make it into a tank to hold hydrogen?

There's a difference between "that will never work" and "that defies the laws of physics". When they discover and harness magic, cars won't matter much

 

[Kalicokitty]

It will probably never happen, but god I hope this is the end for BP.
One company I'd really like to see go out of business

 

[elmanito]

I never thought I would be writing more than one e-mail per week. I also never saw myself getting involved in something so important - a life changing event that we are not being told by the mainstream media.

A few minutes ago, I conducted a short interview with documentary filmmaker, James Fox. He is presently in Grand Isle, Louisiana. The closest location to the Gulf oil spill. Before I spoke to James I received a few unsubstantiated reports that I put on the side.

What I'm about to share with you is extremely important. There is an absolute MEDIA BLACKOUT in the area. People are being arrested everywhere. Hotels in a 70-mile radius are completely sold out, yet, you don't see any vans or reporters filming. It's as if the entire area was under siege.

James Fox has witnessed this and he basically just arrived. He says he saw multiple Chevron helicopters flying. He has not seen any military activity. It's as if the oil companies had taken over. James expected to rent a plane to fly over it and that is not possible. The area above the oil spill is now a NO-FLY-ZONE. He will be there for two weeks.

I am issuing this bulleting because James Fox's name needs to be out in the public, as there is a possibility that he will be arrested. I have plans to talk to the Grand Isle's Police Department to get further clarification regarding these arrests, since James people don't even know who is conducting these arrests. James had the opportunity to talk to the son of one of the cleanup workers (former fisherman) and he told him no one is talking. He did say that no one is being told the extent of this disaster. It is much bigger than what is being reported.

The government is NOT IN CONTROL. The ones exercising all influence are the oil companies. Where is our FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT? I will be posting my interview with James at the forum shortly. When I called him I wanted to remain optimistic and felt people were exaggerating or simply fear mongering. After my conversation with James I can categorically say that my level of concern has risen to unprecedented levels and now I'm putting more credence to the reports I'm receiving.

I would like to put everything on the side and devote my time to fully cover this but I can't. I am relying on people like James to be our eyes and ears on the ground. One last thing. James is well connected with the media. He placed a number of calls to his contacts on CNN and told them literally "Guys, I need to talk to you immediately." No one is responding.

He says he felt as if he was being watched everywhere. Literally, a town under siege. I thought very hard before I wrote this, but I have always promised you that if I heard something that needs to be shared with you, I would. There are some who are putting their lives on the line to get this information out and if I can, even in my own small way, be able to assist, they have my full support.

Just picked it up from a website.Does anyone have any more info about this media blackout he's talking about???

Namaste

 

[bombadil.360]

What part of no tank in the known universe can hold it is hard to understand? You think they're going to discover a new element in the near future, smaller than hydrogen, then make it into a tank to hold hydrogen?

There's a difference between "that will never work" and "that defies the laws of physics". When they discover and harness magic, cars won't matter much

well, maybe someone will come up with a way to generate the necessary hydrogen and use it for propulsion in real-time without the need to have to store it...

who knows...

 

[White-rhino]

well, maybe someone will come up with a way to generate the necessary hydrogen and use it for propulsion in real-time without the need to have to store it...

who knows...

No one knows. Why don't we ban all light bulbs and hope someone comes up something else. Lets ban food and hope someone comes up with a better way. Outlaw breathing and hope a scientist invents gills.

Hey, I got a shitty idea! Lets ban oil drilling and hope someday a better invention comes along! Better yet, one that defies the laws of physics! Doh!

The point is, central planning whose only goal is destroying what we have based on a hoax and hoping something will just magically appear and take its place is on its face a dumb shit idea.

 

[bombadil.360]

No one knows. Why don't we ban all light bulbs and hope someone comes up something else. Lets ban food and hope someone comes up with a better way. Outlaw breathing and hope a scientist invents gills.

Hey, I got a shitty idea! Lets ban oil drilling and hope someday a better invention comes along! Better yet, one that defies the laws of physics! Doh!

The point is, central planning whose only goal is destroying what we have based on a hoax and hoping something will just appear and take its place is on its face a dumb shit idea.

well, I never said anything about replacing today all oil-based energy production and replace it with hydrogen...

I was just pointing out that there are ways around the problem of containing hydrogen in tanks.

 

[White-rhino]

Its all covered in the video. Real simple solution, one line of legislation, doesn't cost anyone a dime, opens a new market naturally, doesn't depend on magic, and is easily doable. Change one IC chip in cars, and change the fuel line to another material (one that actually exists now).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLRuGUPkyh4

Side effects - kills terror funding, enriches the entire 3rd world without a dime of charity.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

stunning....

The Spill, The Scandal And The President

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965?RS_show_page=0

 

[el Dream Reader]

This oil spill is going to cause big problems in the oceanic food chain. I expect a seafood shortage will be the next related big news. It's time to start some veggies along side our cannabis.

 

[Amos Moses]

Hey, really!

There is no conspiracy!

There is no conspiracy!

There is no conspiracy.

There is no conspiracy....

There is no conspiracy?



Amos

 

[Amos Moses]

Yo....Hello!

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Oil spill clogging Washington's biggest mouths

By: Nikki Schwab and Tara Palmeri
Washington Examiner
06/08/10 9:00 PM EDT

CNN contributor Alex Castellanos

Since BP bought up some of Washington’s biggest pundits to clean up their image, things are getting sticky. Television bookers are strapped for guests, we hear, and conflicts of interest have cropped up.

Take John Feehery. He frequently appears on CNN and MSNBC, but has been working on BP’s account for two weeks with the Brunswick Group. When he appeared on MSNBC’s “The Ed [Schultz] Show” on June 1, the BP story was discussed on the show. Feehery said he’d “like the administration to focus on plugging the damn hole,” and was identified as a Republican strategist.

He told Yeas & Nays the BP story was a late edition to the show’s lineup.

“I didn’t think we were going to talk about the issue,” he said. “I should have said something, and I regret that I didn’t, but my message then wasn’t approved by BP, nor was it a BP message, nor did I think of BP when I said it,” he added. MSNBC did not respond to a request for comment.

Hilary Rosen, who works at the Brunswick Group (but not on BP’s account), also has had some issues. Because of Rosen’s ties with the oil company, she had to cut ties with the Huffington Post last week, where she held an editorial position, and hasn’t appeared on CNN, where she is a contributor, in weeks. Rosen wouldn’t comment on the record.

CNN contributor Alex Castellanos’ and political commentator Steve McMahon’s communications firm Purple Strategies also has been hired to take care of some of the post-oil spill public relations mess, BP confirmed.

To deal with the situation, CNN is keeping its oil connections off the topic of oil.

“Both Alex and Hilary are contributors used primarily to comment on political issues, and they are not being used to discuss the oil disaster story,” CNN spokeswoman Edie Emery said.

As for CBS, spokesperson Jeff Ballabon told Yeas & Nays "Our policy in this case, as in others where a compensated spokesperson is involved, is to identify and disclose the individual's relevant interests." BP Chief Executive Officer Tony Hayward and BP Cheif Operating Officer Doug Suttles have appeared on their programming.

ABC and Fox News Channel said this hasn’t been an issue. NBC did not respond to a request for comment by press time.



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p..._s-biggest-mouths-95912579.html#ixzz0qNCT647M

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Oils well that ends well......

Amos

 

[Amos Moses]

And the beat goes on....

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Once a government pet, BP now a capitalist tool

By: Timothy P. Carney
Examiner Columnist
June 9, 2010

BP's inability to contain the worst oil spill in U.S. history has focused attention on CEO Tony Hayward's words and deeds over the past six weeks - and the scrutiny has not yielded a flattering image.

As BP’s Deepwater Horizon oil rig was sinking on April 22, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., was on the phone with allies in his push for climate legislation, telling them he would soon roll out the Senate climate bill with the support of the utility industry and three oil companies — including BP, according to the Washington Post.

Kerry never got to have his photo op with BP chief executive Tony Hayward and other regulation-friendly corporate chieftains. Within days, Republican co-sponsor Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., repudiated the bill following a spat about immigration, and Democrats went back to the drawing board.

But the Kerry-BP alliance for an energy bill that included a cap-and-trade scheme for greenhouse gases pokes a hole in a favorite claim of President Obama and his allies in the media — that BP’s lobbyists have fought fiercely to be left alone. Lobbying records show that BP is no free-market crusader, but instead a close friend of big government whenever it serves the company’s bottom line.

While BP has resisted some government interventions, it has lobbied for tax hikes, greenhouse gas restraints, the stimulus bill, the Wall Street bailout, and subsidies for oil pipelines, solar panels, natural gas and biofuels.

Now that BP’s oil rig has caused the biggest environmental disaster in American history, the Left is pulling the same bogus trick it did with Enron and AIG: Whenever a company earns universal ire, declare it the poster boy for the free market.

As Democrats fight to advance climate change policies, they are resorting to the misleading tactics they used in their health care and finance efforts: posing as the scourges of the special interests and tarring “reform” opponents as the stooges of big business.

Expect BP to be public enemy No. 1 in the climate debate.

There’s a problem: BP was a founding member of the U.S. Climate Action Partnership (USCAP), a lobby dedicated to passing a cap-and-trade bill. As the nation’s largest producer of natural gas, BP saw many ways to profit from climate legislation, notably by persuading Congress to provide subsidies to coal-fired power plants that switched to gas.

In February, BP quit USCAP without giving much of a reason beyond saying the company could lobby more effectively on its own than in a coalition that is increasingly dominated by power companies. Theymade out particularly well in the House’s climate bill, while natural gas producers suffered.

But two months later, BP signed off on Kerry’s Senate climate bill, which was hardly a capitalist concoction. One provision BP explicitly backed, according to Congressional Quarterly and other media reports: a higher gas tax. The money would be earmarked for building more highways, thus inducing more driving and more gasoline consumption.

Elsewhere in the green arena, BP has lobbied for and profited from subsidies for biofuels and solar energy, two products that cannot break even without government support. Lobbying records show the company backing solar subsidies including federal funding for solar research. The U.S. Export-Import Bank, a federal agency, is currently financing a BP solar energy project in Argentina.

Ex-Im has also put up taxpayer cash to finance construction of the 1,094-mile Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline carrying oil from the Caspian Sea to Ceyhan, Turkey—again, profiting BP.

Lobbying records also show BP lobbying on Obama’s stimulus bill and Bush’s Wall Street bailout. You can guess the oil giant wasn’t in league with the Cato Institute or Ron Paul on those.

BP has more Democratic lobbyists than Republicans. It employs the Podesta Group, co-founded by John Podesta, Obama’s transition director and confidant. Other BP troops on K Street include Michael Berman, a former top aide to Vice President Walter Mondale; Steven Champlin, former executive director of the House Democratic Caucus; and Matthew LaRocco, who worked in Bill Clinton’s Interior Department and whose father was a Democratic congressman. Former Republican staffers, such as Reagan alumnus Ken Duberstein, also lobby for BP, but there’s no truth to Democratic portrayals of the oil company as
an arm of the GOP.

Two patterns have emerged during Obama’s presidency: 1) Big business increasingly seeks profits through more government, and 2) Obama nonetheless paints opponents of his intervention as industry shills. BP is just the latest example of this tawdry sleight of hand.

Once a government pet, BP now a capitalist tool.

Timothy P. Carney is The Washington Examiner's lobbying editor. His K Street column appears on Wednesdays.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...a-capitalist-tool-95942659.html#ixzz0qNiPBUjZ

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Doh!

Amos

 

[ibuster57]

Bitch all you want but until you park your car and walk there will be problems. When we grow indoors we use a hell of a lot more petroleum products than the average non grower.
Your pots are made from petroleum products. Even clay pots need to be fired. Look around you everything you see needed petroleum products to produce it. You don't get those products without drilling or going to war for it.
Legalization of cannabis will cut back on the use of petroleum products because it will allow most cannabis to be grown outdoors in ground with only the sun and air it needs to flourish.
Until our wants and needs change there will always be drilling. As long as cost of operations and profits are involved in drilling and production there will be accidents. They drill to supply our wants and needs. Until we change we will have to live with disasters like this one.

 

[patches]

so fuck it, shut it all down, and go back to the soil

It can all be made with Hemp replacements

 

[JackTheGrower]

100,000 barrels of oil = 4 Million gallons a day: Is BP lying?

100,000 barrels of oil = 4 Million gallons a day: Is BP lying?

100,000 barrels of oil = 4 Million gallons a day: Is BP lying?

With great respect to the original Oil Spill Thread I am hoping there will be a vibrant discussion on the Oil spill from a different point of view.

I was under the impression from the Major media reports that the Cap BP had put in place was getting all or 3/4's of the oil but I am finding out on a News show called Democracy Now, which is free on-line streaming every day, This Cap isn't a Cap at all it's a Cap Unit which is floating in a much Bigger pipe now that the damaged end has been cut off.

It is syphoning a small part of the flow.

And the Separate Plume theory BP denied strongly is now proven to be true as Plumes are being discovered.

I am deeply concerned for our Oceans.

Again with great respects I hope a new thread helps us come up to speed. It seems BP is not being truthful and in a Big Problem way.