Poll shows Cali voters favor legalization

[subrob]

from what i understand carrying more than an ounce outside of your home will be a crime....dont know if it will be a felony or a misd?...dont like that part of it at all, though i cant remember the last time i carried more than a zip.....
...dont know who has bought what land, but im willing to speculate the list of big money corps who have a businees plan currently in place for legal canna contingencies is long and distinguished....the only item i remember reading about rjr was they had patented some packaging names for joints....but i heard that a long time ago and cannot remember how valid it was.....
-------senior buzz- what do you think (or anyone) of the prospects of once big money and government have taken over, like minded individuals like those here on ic have of forming a collective, or at that point, a corporation, to tcb for ourselves? at that point the guidelines and requirements will be black and white, no quasi legal or grey areas....

 

[SeniorBuzz]

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-------senior buzz- what do you think (or anyone) of the prospects of once big money and government have taken over, like minded individuals like those here on ic have of forming a collective, or at that point, a corporation, to tcb for ourselves? at that point the guidelines and requirements will be black and white, no quasi legal or grey areas....

As big business becomes rooted, IMO, it will become exponentially more difficult for others to enter the business.

I'm a mmj user so I don't have any skin in the game, other than buying a little over an oz. a month, at the best price possible.

The quality, and quantity, are increasing, while prices are decreasing; so for me, it's all good

between legislation, regulations, pricing, and penalties

a lot of growers will fall by the wayside

 

[localhero]

from what i understand carrying more than an ounce outside of your home will be a crime....dont know if it will be a felony or a misd?...dont like that part of it at all, though i cant remember the last time i carried more than a zip.....
...dont know who has bought what land, but im willing to speculate the list of big money corps who have a businees plan currently in place for legal canna contingencies is long and distinguished....the only item i remember reading about rjr was they had patented some packaging names for joints....but i heard that a long time ago and cannot remember how valid it was.....
-------senior buzz- what do you think (or anyone) of the prospects of once big money and government have taken over, like minded individuals like those here on ic have of forming a collective, or at that point, a corporation, to tcb for ourselves? at that point the guidelines and requirements will be black and white, no quasi legal or grey areas....

man i made a thread about creating a growers association, and got very low response. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=175134 . i dont think its about forming a collective, but an association. i got the idea talking to a buddy of mine who use to be big in the telecom industry back in the day. he said they formed an association comprised of other members in their field and the fee was 200 a month. with over 200 members thats 40 grand a month. thats real power.

 

[Smoke Buddy]

I am voting NO and so is every grower I know. I am talking about growers all over 40 and all would have fought tooth and nail for legalization prior to the medical canabis laws. You guys who dont have skin in the game consider that many people have been laid off months and even years ago and are now chronically unemployed and the only thing keeping their mortgages paid is their grow. We dont need corporations growing weed and kicking us the rest of the way into the gutter. There are NO jobs here in Cali so thinking the place will flood because of this is NOT going to happen. People are fleeing not coming. The only opportunity I personally can find to save my home is growing excess meds so for goodness sake dont help the government finish me off.

 

[subrob]

I am voting NO and so is every grower I know. I am talking about growers all over 40 and all would have fought tooth and nail for legalization prior to the medical canabis laws. You guys who dont have skin in the game consider that many people have been laid off months and even years ago and are now chronically unemployed and the only thing keeping their mortgages paid is their grow. We dont need corporations growing weed and kicking us the rest of the way into the gutter. There are NO jobs here in Cali so thinking the place will flood because of this is NOT going to happen. People are fleeing not coming. The only opportunity I personally can find to save my home is growing excess meds so for goodness sake dont help the government finish me off.

---i am sorry to hear about your situation. i wish you nothing but luck.

 

[mikek7849]

They add chemical to cig's because they are nasty as hell and no one would touch em if they didn't add something to make them addictive. (They also add chemicals to add burn speed and evenness, preservation and flavor)

Now when it comes to MJ, its already perfect and needs no such intervention to attract customers. It does that all on its own. As long as it was grown correctly with a correct flush, it burns and taste GGGRRREEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAATTT!!!

If you recognize that chemicals are being added to tobacco to make them more addictive then do you really think these same companies who will take over the production of MJ aren't going to add chemicals to make it addictive.

Cigarette companies have shown that they care about nothing but profits and if adding toxic chemicals to their products means more of a profit then you can bet they are going to get added.

 

[localhero]

the 7 year minimum sentencing is kinda daunting. 7 years. has that been debunked?

 

[Anti]

If you recognize that chemicals are being added to tobacco to make them more addictive then do you really think these same companies who will take over the production of MJ aren't going to add chemicals to make it addictive.

#1. Big tobacco is not getting into the MJ game until it is FEDERALLY legal. They're not going to risk a gov't crackdown that results in the loss of millions of dollars and corporate CEOs in prison.

#2. Plenty of people don't want what you're describing and will offer alternatives.

#3. Grow your own if it's legal and no worries about what might be in commercial herb.

#4. Why should average smokers and everyone suffer so that dealers can continue to make a living? Should we all still be listening to 8 tracks and cassettes and watching movies on our Betamax just to keep those people in jobs?

 

[mikek7849]

#1. Big tobacco is not getting into the MJ game until it is FEDERALLY legal. They're not going to risk a gov't crackdown that results in the loss of millions of dollars and corporate CEOs in prison.

#2. Plenty of people don't want what you're describing and will offer alternatives.

#3. Grow your own if it's legal and no worries about what might be in commercial herb.

#4. Why should average smokers and everyone suffer so that dealers can continue to make a living? Should we all still be listening to 8 tracks and cassettes and watching movies on our Betamax just to keep those people in jobs?

#1. Big tobacco is already getting in the game. They are buying property in Mendo as well as developing their own custom nutrient line. They have been up North for the last few years (that is known) to learn the trade.

#2 & 3. I realize people will at first miss the quality but they will soon forget. Big tobacco will move in and begin to import mass amounts of cheap product. They will undercut the market and even operate at a loss for a period if that is what it takes to drive out the competition. Along with marketing campaigns and addictive chemical additives quality will no longer matter because quality will unaffordable and unappealing.

As far as growing your own, the legislation clearly states that it is up to the local governments to authorize cultivation (or not). Will your city allow you to cultivate?

#4. That is what some of us are trying to explain. This bill isn't going to ease your suffering. It is going to increase it. This bill is not about legalazation it is about corporatization. The only things it makes lawful is possession up to an ounce and cultivation in a 5x5 area with the ability for your local government to authorize it (or not). Over half the bill are new restrictions. That is not indicative of legalization!

Furthermore the corporatization of the product is going to result in lower quality as well as unethical business practices that are indicative of current big tobacco practices (i.e. adding toxic chemicals to make your product more addictive). As almost all the major shareholders as well as the corporate executives off all the suspected corporations that will likely attempt the sale of MJ not one is based in CA. This will result in huge amounts of money being taken out of the state's and local economies.

This is not about "dealers" keeping their "jobs". It is about what is best for us all. And I adamantly believe that this sham of a bill is to the detriment of the population of our state.

This legislation is on the ballot in November that is why we must ban together and vote no on the "Tax and regulate" bill.

We need to demand a bill that actually legalizes marijuana and does not give the ability for preferential treatment to be given to out of state and out of country corporations.

 

[SeniorBuzz]

I am voting NO and so is every grower I know. I am talking about growers all over 40 and all would have fought tooth and nail for legalization prior to the medical canabis laws. You guys who dont have skin in the game consider that many people have been laid off months and even years ago and are now chronically unemployed and the only thing keeping their mortgages paid is their grow. We dont need corporations growing weed and kicking us the rest of the way into the gutter. There are NO jobs here in Cali so thinking the place will flood because of this is NOT going to happen. People are fleeing not coming. The only opportunity I personally can find to save my home is growing excess meds so for goodness sake dont help the government finish me off.

As big business becomes rooted, IMO, it will become exponentially more difficult for others to enter the business.

I'm a mmj user so I don't have any skin in the game, other than buying a little over an oz. a month, at the best price possible.

The quality, and quantity, are increasing, while prices are decreasing; so for me, it's all good

between legislation, regulations, pricing, and penalties

a lot of growers will fall by the wayside

mmj is the perfect place to start

be great to develop a model owner-operated-collective large-scale production-line indoor-grow incorporating all of the many talents and best practices, of "the growers" to help bring regulation into the market. put the dispensary right on the front of it

I see this as a great opportunity for the growers to stay in the game, and to own what is rightfully theirs to begin with, for the benefit of themselves, and the benefit of their community; a great opportunity to give, and gain, respect.

 

[Neo 420]

#1. Big tobacco is already getting in the game. They are buying property in Mendo as well as developing their own custom nutrient line. They have been up North for the last few years (that is known) to learn the trade.

Please provide some sort of proof of this? I hear about this but cant find any corroborating evidence.

#2 & 3. I realize people will at first miss the quality but they will soon forget. Big tobacco will move in and begin to import mass amounts of cheap product. They will undercut the market and even operate at a loss for a period if that is what it takes to drive out the competition. Along with marketing campaigns and addictive chemical additives quality will no longer matter because quality will unaffordable and unappealing.

I do not agree. Is that why I can't find bammer anymore? Cigs and weed are totally two different beasts. This will scenario will never happen. I know for a fact my friends and friends of friends will never smoke nothing but the best quality, best high yadda yadda. What you are saying takes away the whole point of smoking. It is ludicrous..

As far as growing your own, the legislation clearly states that it is up to the local governments to authorize cultivation (or not). Will your city allow you to cultivate?

This is to be expected in some cities. At this point, you grow your own small batch, open up shop in a different city, or do the black market thing (like now).

#4. That is what some of us are trying to explain. This bill isn't going to ease your suffering. It is going to increase it. This bill is not about legalazation it is about corporatization. The only things it makes lawful is possession up to an ounce and cultivation in a 5x5 area with the ability for your local government to authorize it (or not). Over half the bill are new restrictions. That is not indicative of legalization!

Incorrect. Any cali resident over 21 will be able to grow in a 5x5. That is not decided by the city. The city can only allow or not allow a cultivation center to a exist (a retail store). How can there can be more restriction when it is illegal now!![/quote]

Furthermore the corporatization of the product is going to result in lower quality as well as unethical business practices that are indicative of current big tobacco practices (i.e. adding toxic chemicals to make your product more addictive). As almost all the major shareholders as well as the corporate executives off all the suspected corporations that will likely attempt the sale of MJ not one is based in CA. This will result in huge amounts of money being taken out of the state's and local economies.

Incorrect again. For a company to sell in CA, they must establish themselves as a business in CA and PAY TAXES. This bill does not change how business is conducted. The whole point of the bill (in the states eyes) is to produce taxes. Producing taxes is the reason why we have this opportunity in the first place!!!

This is not about "dealers" keeping their "jobs". It is about what is best for us all. And I adamantly believe that this sham of a bill is to the detriment of the population of our state.

I think what is best for all of us is to not end up in jail. PERIOD.

We need to demand a bill that actually legalizes marijuana and does not give the ability for preferential treatment to be given to out of state and out of country corporations.

Where in the bill is this? Please note the section so I can look it up.

 

[superbolan]

People are gonna have to adapt if this does pass if your a grower and cant adapt thats your problem. New opportunities we haven't even considered will appear thats how things always workout. Im sick and tired of hearing self centered, greedy whiners who would rather see people locked up for a victimless crime then think out a new business strategy. They act just like the government did fear mongering, starting rumors, trying to divide and conquer. Sometimes to win the game you just have to take one for the team.. Cowboy up and get over it

 

[Neo 420]

#1. Big tobacco is not getting into the MJ game until it is FEDERALLY legal. They're not going to risk a gov't crackdown that results in the loss of millions of dollars and corporate CEOs in prison.

100 % correct. They maybe money hungry but they ain't dumb. This is a legal issue. Please don't confuse facts with rumors. The fed gov will bring down any huge company that try's this with ease. Ever heard of RICCO charges? Conducting illegel business across state lines? THIS IS NOT LEGAL ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL. That means something doesn't it?

#2. Plenty of people don't want what you're describing and will offer alternatives.

100% correct again. THIS AIN'T TOBACCO!! I make no substitution on my MJ quality and so does hundred of thousands of others. You start putting crap in weed, expect a backlash, state investigations, lawsuits and a healthy black market that delivers a alternative product..

#4. Why should average smokers and everyone suffer so that dealers can continue to make a living? Should we all still be listening to 8 tracks and cassettes and watching movies on our Betamax just to keep those people in jobs?

No thank you!! I like my cd's, MP3's and blu ray's !!!


Look, times are changing like it or not. Its called evolution and progression. Instead of debating the pro's and con's and trying to persuade others into voting no or yes, you need to be developing plans on how you are going to take advantage of this bill and fit in where you can. Its going to pass. I mingle with "the average Joe" everyday and they have no idea this behind the scenes clusterfuck we have going on. They say "oh I can smoke a dobbie in the backyard with NO CONSEQUENCES" or "More taxes to pay off the debt" with this being passed. Some of the smarter Joe's (if you will) even bring up the research and hemp development arm of the bill and like that direction. Start working on your plans cause I'm working on mines. This junk of a bill will pass. No doubt about it. So lets start seeing threads on "what can I do to profit off the 2010 Tax and Regulate bill".

 

[barneyfife1]

ok what can the smaller growers do then? lets hear some of your plans you say your making.

 

[ms pink]

All I can say is it's about time.

 

[localhero]

Section 5: Amendment
Pursuant to Article 2, section 10(c) of the California Constitution, this Act may be amended either by a subsequent measure submitted to a vote of the People at a statewide election; or by statute validly passed by the Legislature and signed by the Governor, but only to further the purposes of the Act

this is a very good reason to make sure we vote in a very ganja friendly governor

 

[SeniorBuzz]

14 Legal Medical Marijuana States Laws, Fees, and Possession Limits
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000881

List of counties in California
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_counties_in_California#cite_note-4

 

[Anti]

#1. Big tobacco is already getting in the game. They are buying property in Mendo as well as developing their own custom nutrient line. They have been up North for the last few years (that is known) to learn the trade.

It's known that Santa Claus prefers cookies and milk to Bourbon. What's your point?

#2 & 3. I realize people will at first miss the quality but they will soon forget.

You have a very low opinion of your fellow smokers. Rest assured that many of us are much more interested in quality than we are in getting Marlboro Joints. I mean, I know people that I could buy pounds of brickweed from for about $100 an ounce (without buying in bulk.) But for the last 6 years or more, before I started to grow my own, I was buying stuff that cost me about $350 an ounce (without buying in bulk.)

If what you're saying is true, I should have forgotten about sensi the moment I left the west coast.

Big tobacco will move in and begin to import mass amounts of cheap product.

Mexican Mafia sure doesn't seem to be stopping the Cali growers from staying in the game now. They import mass amounts of cheap product NOW.

They will undercut the market and even operate at a loss for a period if that is what it takes to drive out the competition.

Perhaps. And then the market will either adapt (as Target did when Walmart came along) or die (as Woolworths did when Walmart came along.) This is up to the individual grower and their ability to adapt to changing circumstances. The same would be true if the laws went the other way, more crackdowns, more police presence, less tolerance. The grower would have to quit growing or adapt to the changed situation.

Along with marketing campaigns and addictive chemical additives quality will no longer matter because quality will unaffordable and unappealing.

I don't get your logic. If I am willing to pay $350 for quality now, even though I could get some shitty dirt-weed for $100, why would the proliferation of LEGAL shitty-dirt weed make me want to stop paying a premium to smoke LEGAL chronic?

As far as growing your own, the legislation clearly states that it is up to the local governments to authorize cultivation (or not). Will your city allow you to cultivate?

How many plants does your city currently allow non-medical growers to grow NOW?

How many could you grow if it passed?

That's why it's progress. You could still shirk the law (as you're presumably doing now) and grow more than your 5x5. Of course, you'd be breaking the law if you did. Right now, you're breaking the law even if you stick to th 5x5. That's why it's progress.

#4. That is what some of us are trying to explain. This bill isn't going to ease your suffering. It is going to increase it. This bill is not about legalazation it is about corporatization. The only things it makes lawful is possession up to an ounce and cultivation in a 5x5 area with the ability for your local government to authorize it (or not).

And that's what some of us are trying to explain. The ability to carry up to an ounce without fear of jail or civil penalties would ease quite a bit of suffering. The ability to cultivate legally in a 5x5 area (with authorization) would ease suffering!

Over half the bill are new restrictions. That is not indicative of legalization!

They've been telling generations of Americans that MJ is a dangerous narcotic that will destroy their lives. How do you repeal such a law if you want it to succeed without destroying confidence in the system? By imposing strict regulations to quell fears/questions.

Furthermore the corporatization of the product is going to result in lower quality as well as unethical business practices that are indicative of current big tobacco practices (i.e. adding toxic chemicals to make your product more addictive).

You can still roll your own tobacco for a fraction of the cost of pre-rolled manufactured, additive-laden 'corporate' cigarettes. The fact that many people prefer the convenience of 'corporate' cigarettes has NOT put the 'connoisseur' loose tobacco companies out of business.

As almost all the major shareholders as well as the corporate executives off all the suspected corporations that will likely attempt the sale of MJ not one is based in CA. This will result in huge amounts of money being taken out of the state's and local economies.

So you think all the herb that is grown in California is staying in the state now? Growers/Dealers don't take vacations? They don't buy cars? They don't eat? Welcome to the global economy! Some of the money that you paid for your clothes went to china, some went to europe and some went to central america!

This is not about "dealers" keeping their "jobs". It is about what is best for us all. And I adamantly believe that this sham of a bill is to the detriment of the population of our state.

Please explain how not being able to smoke a bowl in your own home without fear of incarceration is better than being able to smoke at home with impunity.

Please explain how not being able to grow anything at all, or even possess a seed without risking incarceration is better than being able to grow in a 5x5 area.

We need to demand a bill that actually legalizes marijuana and does not give the ability for preferential treatment to be given to out of state and out of country corporations.

That's what amendments are for.

 

[Neo 420]

ok what can the smaller growers do then? lets hear some of your plans you say your making.

I am not going to just give away keys to the kingdom!!
Seriously, I do not want to give up my plans until I have started them (You should know why)
This bill opens up a whole new micro economy of business and services that will stimulate economies and progress decades of backward thinking. From storefronts to novelties, opportunity will rise.

 

[superbolan]

Exactly! Time to make lemonade, people are so afraid of change that they fail to realize this is as much an opportunity as it is a dilemma. Darwin rocks