Humic and Fulvic...

[Mud Man]

I have been sent these two products
http://www.humicfulvic.co.uk/?page_id=166&shopp_pid=1

they appear to be for Human consumption..
No info on the labels at all.
I was told this is the best stuff, maybe it is and maybe i should start to drink it !

My noob questions are
*can these still be used for botany..
*is all hummic/Fuvlic acid the same...
*can i still mix it with my bubbled H20 (how much per 10litre)

any help would be more than great.

Please help

 

[Mud Man]

 

[bigleek]

do it mm
40 ml per 10 liter

 

[Mud Man]

i just went on your page thinking "What has Bigleek been up to?"
Clicked on your posts, Top one "Hummic and Fulvic"

WTF...

you have answered my post with all that i need!
big respect Bigleek!

 

[Mud Man]

do it mm
40 ml per 10 liter

yo Bigleek,,,

I am only watering and adding these once in a while..

Would you add them both @ 40ml into bubbled h20

thanks again

 

[bigleek]

yeah man

both at 40ml/10 liter every 2 weeks will be great
get ready for them shiney leaves

 

[Mud Man]

i am friggin ready now!!

Such a simple post has made my day,,, i am ready to rumble!!

Popping more of your beautiful creation (AD x DSD)
the run after next to find a keeper for XMAS!!

thanks again brother...

 

[habeeb]

all people say there shit is the best..

you might want to think more seriously about ingesting a product that has no label..

im sure they can be used for botany

not, not all humic and fulvic is the same

ratio, who knows, as it seems its never been tested on plants, try a little then work your way up if you want to use it on your plants

 

[B. Friendly]

not all the same but fulvic is a humic acid

your plants will love it, it helps in absorbing nutrients

 

[Mud Man]

all people say there shit is the best..

you might want to think more seriously about ingesting a product that has no label..

im sure they can be used for botany

not, not all humic and fulvic is the same

ratio, who knows, as it seems its never been tested on plants, try a little then work your way up if you want to use it on your plants

cheers habeeb, it was expensive and an oversight on my part..
it has a label and is top of the range, just no Botany info...
I hear your cries and the person who recommended it has had great results with their plants,, i just thought i went without saying they were botanical, ERROR on my part... We shall see....

not all the same but fulvic is a humic acid

your plants will love it, it helps in absorbing nutrients

B.Friendly,,, cheers man,,, i am trying to get to the level of really understanding what is going on down there, bit by bit..

this feels like a good enough place to group some good products that people use.,..

what do you guys use, Any links??

i will take the deep end plunge,, bigleek knows his shizzle, so i am happy to go in at 30/40 ml!!

cheers for all input people


just a bit of WIKI

Humic acid is a principal component of humic substances which are the major organic constituents of soil, (humus), peat, coal, many upland streams, dystrophic lakes and ocean water.[1] It is produced by biodegradation of dead organic matter. It is not a single acid, rather, it is a complex mixture of many different acids containing carboxyl and phenolate groups so that the mixture behaves functionally as a dibasic acid or, occasionally, as a tribasic acid. Humic acids can form complexes with ions that are commonly found in the environment.


ormation and description

Humic substances are formed by the microbial degradation of dead plant matter, such as lignin. They are very resistant to further biodegradation. The precise properties and structure of a given sample depend on the water or soil source and the specific conditions of extraction. Nevertheless, the average properties of humic substances from different sources are remarkably similar.
Humic substances in soils and sediments can be divided into three main fractions: humic acids, fulvic acids and humin. The humic and fulvic acids are extracted as a colloidal sol from soil and other solid phase sources into a strongly basic aqueous solution of sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide. Humic acids are precipitated from this solution by adjusting the pH to 1 with hydrochloric acid, leaving the fulvic acids in solution. This is the operational distinction between humic and fulvic acids. Humin is insoluble in dilute alkali. The alcohol soluble portion of the humic fraction is generally named ulmic acid. Gray humic acids (GHA) are soluble in low ionic strength alkaline media, brown humic acids (BHA) are soluble in alkaline conditions independent of ionic strength, and fulvic acids (FA) are soluble independent of pH and I.[2]
Chromatography and liquid-liquid extraction can be used to separate the components that make up a humic substance. Substances identified include mono-, di- and tri-hydroxy acids, fatty acids, dicarboxylic acids, linear alcohols, phenolic acids and terpenoids.[3]
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[habeeb]

humic : tera vita sp-90
fulvic: bio ag

 

[Mud Man]

humic : tera vita sp-90
fulvic: bio ag

respect as ever to the Habeeb

http://www.bioag.com/




This is powdered i take it,,, used for your mud mix or a tea bubble


iMPORTANT – CHLORINATED WATER

You must use un-chlorinated spring water to take with our Humic and Fulvic acid. Ordinary tap water cannot be used with fulvic acid. Chlorine reacts negatively when mixed with humic substances, especially fulvic acid, causing the production of deadly carcinogenic THMs and MX.​

Chlorine is the deadly culprit, here, not the humic substances. Chlorine is a deadly chemical. It has the same dangerous results when it comes in direct contact with many of the extremely valuable phytochemicals contained in fresh fruits, vegetables, and herbal extracts. So it makes good common sense to avoid chlorinated water as much as possible.​

 

[habeeb]

^ they have some drink fulvic I believe,

but I mean the ful-power ( which is liquid ) here

 

[Mud Man]

^ they have some drink fulvic I believe,

but I mean the ful-power ( which is liquid ) here

thanks again for you input,,,You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to habeeb again.

Ful-power baby.. looks "the best" lol... i want some powdered, missed it from my mud mix...

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Mud Man

Because of labeling laws in Oregon & California by their respective Department of Agriculture groups, the use of the term 'fulvic' is not allowed which is why BioAg sells their liquid golden humic acid under the name 'Ful-Power' and not 'Fulvic This' or Fulvic That'

From the BioAg.com web site:

1. What is the difference between humic acid and fulvic acid?

"Fulvic acid is the lowest molecular weight portion of humic substances. By definition it will be golden in color where humic acid will be brown to black. Because of its small molecular size, fulvic acid is able to penetrate the leaf and even the mitochondria of a cell which makes it great for foliar sprays and root drenches. By comparison humic acid is a fantastic soil conditioner and better for dry broad cast and soil/soil-less application. Typically each manufacturer will provide a product analysis differentiating the fulvic from the humic; however some states do not accept fulvic acid analysis and will refer to all substances as humic acids. To further confuse things, a standardized industry method for analyzing humic substances does not exist. This creates a wide range of concentrations and analysis for humic products. At the end of the day it is best to conduct bioassays and test the products yourself to see which one will perform best. For more information on humic substances properties visit Properties of Humic Substances."

HTH

CC

 

[Jdizzel]

i am using the humic acid as well , from what i understand it help the plants uptake of nutes, and the shit seems to be working.
Jdizzel

 

[Mud Man]

Mud Man

Because of labeling laws in Oregon & California by their respective Department of Agriculture groups, the use of the term 'fulvic' is not allowed which is why BioAg sells their liquid golden humic acid under the name 'Ful-Power' and not 'Fulvic This' or Fulvic That'

From the BioAg.com web site:HTH

CC

CC, you the man, super knowledge i have no idea where you keep it..

Really cool response, i thank you kindly and send you a whole load of positive photons your way!

Properties of humic substances link ! excellent, many thanks
http://karnet.up.wroc.pl/~weber/kwasy2.htm

 

[Cool Moe]

Hello all,
Once again I come with a question for the kind experts. I was at my local worms way today and the salesman gave me a free sample quart of General Organics Diamond Black liquid humic acids. The bottle says how much to mix with water, but doesn't say how often to apply. I use Earth Juice and guanos but have never used liquid humic acid before. So my questions are is this good stuff and how often should I use it and should I mix this into my aerated compost tea before or after the bubble?
Thanksa mucho

 

[CT Guy]

You can mix it in after. I'd go way less than their recommended rate, and use it maybe 1-2x a week with waterings.

I don't have experience with this particular brand. How much humic acid % is it?

 

[Cool Moe]

CT, thanks for your reply, analysis says 0-0-1, soluble potash 1%, 6% humic acid derived from Leonardite.

http://www.planetnatural.com/site/diamond-black.html