any updates on illinois med mj?
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oh yes times are changing!!!!!!
oh yes times are changing!!!!!!
well here is update !!!!! call your rep in the morning
BREAKING NEWS: Illinois House Lawmakers Likely to Decide On Medical Marijuana Bill on May 28
House lawmakers are expected to decide on Friday, May 28, the fate of Senate Bill 1381, which seeks to make Illinois the fifteenth state to regulate the physician-supervised use of medical marijuana.
Proponents of the measure had expected to hold the vote on May 7, but because lawmakers were acting on state budget issues, the vote was postponed. It is imperative we take advantage of this extra time. That is why Illinois NORML is asking you to continue your efforts by writing or calling your House member and urging him or her to ‘vote yes on SB 1381.'
Phone and e-mail contact information for Illinois House members is available here. An e-mail will automatically be sent to your House member by using NORML’s Capwiz service below.
Senate Bill 1381 was passed by the Senate in 2009 and is believed to be only one vote away from majority support in the House. That is why it is so important that you contact your House member today and urge him or her to end the prohibition of medical marijuana.
To learn more about what you can do to support this effort, please contact Dan Linn of Illinois NORML here.
dont know about you but ill be up all night waiting for tomorrows vote!!!!
oh yes times are changing!!!!!!
well here is update !!!!! call your rep in the morning
BREAKING NEWS: Illinois House Lawmakers Likely to Decide On Medical Marijuana Bill on May 28
House lawmakers are expected to decide on Friday, May 28, the fate of Senate Bill 1381, which seeks to make Illinois the fifteenth state to regulate the physician-supervised use of medical marijuana.
Proponents of the measure had expected to hold the vote on May 7, but because lawmakers were acting on state budget issues, the vote was postponed. It is imperative we take advantage of this extra time. That is why Illinois NORML is asking you to continue your efforts by writing or calling your House member and urging him or her to ‘vote yes on SB 1381.'
Phone and e-mail contact information for Illinois House members is available here. An e-mail will automatically be sent to your House member by using NORML’s Capwiz service below.
Senate Bill 1381 was passed by the Senate in 2009 and is believed to be only one vote away from majority support in the House. That is why it is so important that you contact your House member today and urge him or her to end the prohibition of medical marijuana.
To learn more about what you can do to support this effort, please contact Dan Linn of Illinois NORML here.
dont know about you but ill be up all night waiting for tomorrows vote!!!!
Stoner Chick
Member
Illinois does not work like that. Calling your senators and reps will not do much unless you have leverage on them.
One vote away in the House means nothing. The Illinois house is run with an iron fist by Speaker Mike Madigan, who i believe is the longest running speaker of any congressional house in the nation.
In the Illinois House, *bills can only be called by the speaker* and there is no way around this process. If Mike Madigan does not want his Illinois state to be medical marijuana friendly, then it will not be, even if every single senator and every single house rep wants it to be so, why? Because only Mike Madigan can call the bill to the floor, and if he does not, the bill will die in committee, probably Rules Committee.
So good luck to Illinois where politics only work by payola and right now when i focus my lil stoner eye on Illinois politics, i am not seeing where the gain is for the politicians only the people.
Good night!
One vote away in the House means nothing. The Illinois house is run with an iron fist by Speaker Mike Madigan, who i believe is the longest running speaker of any congressional house in the nation.
In the Illinois House, *bills can only be called by the speaker* and there is no way around this process. If Mike Madigan does not want his Illinois state to be medical marijuana friendly, then it will not be, even if every single senator and every single house rep wants it to be so, why? Because only Mike Madigan can call the bill to the floor, and if he does not, the bill will die in committee, probably Rules Committee.
So good luck to Illinois where politics only work by payola and right now when i focus my lil stoner eye on Illinois politics, i am not seeing where the gain is for the politicians only the people.
Good night!
Stoner Chick
Member
The ONLY person in the Illinois House that can bring a bill to the floor is Mike Madigan - no one else, no other way - only the Speaker of the House. If his voice does not call the bill, then the bill will die in whatever committee it is sitting in, or wind up in Rules being cobbled down into something the proponents of the legislation will no longer support.
Mike Madigan is so powerful that he even tells the Senate President John Cullerton (D) how meetings between the houses will go and what the agenda will and will not be.
We need term limits. Career politicians are like caviar eating mobsters.
ballplayer 2
Active member
Yes, unfortunately SC is right on the money with her analysis. By and large Illinois politicians from top to bottom are absolute self serving, two-faced crooks.
We are going to get the law, its just will not happen til the lame duck session after the elections in Nov. You can still call and voice your opinion on this legislation to your state representative.
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Stoner Chick
Member
What do you mean by carnage?
There will be no legal contest of it. The attorney general is the daughter of the Speaker of the House. If a Bill comes out of the General Assembly as law, you can rest assure Lisa Madigan will support it 110% if her father does.
I expect this law to be enacted very quickly if it indeed does pass.
Stoner Chick
Member
Here is the bill for anyone that wants to read it:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/96/SB/09600SB1381eng.htm
The legislation is pretty lousy, and under the criteria they are using for 'debilitating medical condition' does not cover my mental illness. In fact, it won't be covering a lot of people.
I made a couple calls on the bill but no one wants to ask anything about it from their bosses directly because they don't want to be seen as an interested pot head.
For a bill that so many do not want to touch, a lot of politicians are seemingly behind it.
Why is Lou Lang doing this? I cannot see his impetus. Almost all legislation begins with some interest contacting the legislator they believe can do the best for them, which usually means that legislator sits on a committee that can help them or has access to someone else more powerful.
Cannabis legislation in Illinois is not happening for the betterment of the human condition. Some one, some group, some business, has a big gain in this and right now it's being kept a secret.
Also, Lou Lang is a very nice guy, but he is a player. If in an office with 3 lobbyist, one of them is female, but the least important in the room - Lou will put off talking to the money guys, just to talk to the woman and flirt, while telling the guys they are not as important as the pretty lady standing in the room. He isn't an evil guy, he is pretty nice and funny, but a player nonetheless.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/96/SB/09600SB1381eng.htm
The legislation is pretty lousy, and under the criteria they are using for 'debilitating medical condition' does not cover my mental illness. In fact, it won't be covering a lot of people.
I made a couple calls on the bill but no one wants to ask anything about it from their bosses directly because they don't want to be seen as an interested pot head.
For a bill that so many do not want to touch, a lot of politicians are seemingly behind it.
Why is Lou Lang doing this? I cannot see his impetus. Almost all legislation begins with some interest contacting the legislator they believe can do the best for them, which usually means that legislator sits on a committee that can help them or has access to someone else more powerful.
Cannabis legislation in Illinois is not happening for the betterment of the human condition. Some one, some group, some business, has a big gain in this and right now it's being kept a secret.
Also, Lou Lang is a very nice guy, but he is a player. If in an office with 3 lobbyist, one of them is female, but the least important in the room - Lou will put off talking to the money guys, just to talk to the woman and flirt, while telling the guys they are not as important as the pretty lady standing in the room. He isn't an evil guy, he is pretty nice and funny, but a player nonetheless.
Stoner Chick
Member
O.K. back with some updates now that i have had time to sit here and poke around.
THIS BILL IS DEAD.
You can follow it's life here: Bill Status of SB1381
Why is it dead? Because, like i said above that it would end up Rules Committee, it is indeed in Rules Committee as of 5/28/10.
In Illinois, a Bill has to 'read into the record', 3 times, and voted on. The senate voted 30/28-1 abstention to pass the SB1381. It then went to the House, had its First Reading, and then on the Second Reading they debated and after a bunch of rigmarole with changing/adding sponsors, the bill was sent to Rules Committee - code for: I don't want to touch this.
The only way this SB1381 can come out of Rules is by Speaker Mike Madigan. What does Speaker Madigan have to gain? What would his angle be. Does the Attorney General of Illinois want cannabis legalized? Her opinion matters - it is a family affair since Speaker Madigan is grooming Attorney General Daughter for the Governors office.
Anyways, the Bill is dead. Everyone i know works in Energy, Real Estate, big Corps and no one has any idea who has a gain in this legislation and if the only gain in the legislation is for the people, then it isn't going to happen because the people in Illinois are not rallying for this or calling their reps and senators.
Lou Lang sponsoring this bill doesn't mean it had a chance or that it did not, all it means is that Lou saw something in it for him and that could simply be having his face on this legislation and looking like a very progressive politician...If that is the case, then his mission is done, operation successful. And that would par for the course on how basic legislation works.
THIS BILL IS DEAD.
You can follow it's life here: Bill Status of SB1381
Why is it dead? Because, like i said above that it would end up Rules Committee, it is indeed in Rules Committee as of 5/28/10.
In Illinois, a Bill has to 'read into the record', 3 times, and voted on. The senate voted 30/28-1 abstention to pass the SB1381. It then went to the House, had its First Reading, and then on the Second Reading they debated and after a bunch of rigmarole with changing/adding sponsors, the bill was sent to Rules Committee - code for: I don't want to touch this.
The only way this SB1381 can come out of Rules is by Speaker Mike Madigan. What does Speaker Madigan have to gain? What would his angle be. Does the Attorney General of Illinois want cannabis legalized? Her opinion matters - it is a family affair since Speaker Madigan is grooming Attorney General Daughter for the Governors office.
Anyways, the Bill is dead. Everyone i know works in Energy, Real Estate, big Corps and no one has any idea who has a gain in this legislation and if the only gain in the legislation is for the people, then it isn't going to happen because the people in Illinois are not rallying for this or calling their reps and senators.
Lou Lang sponsoring this bill doesn't mean it had a chance or that it did not, all it means is that Lou saw something in it for him and that could simply be having his face on this legislation and looking like a very progressive politician...If that is the case, then his mission is done, operation successful. And that would par for the course on how basic legislation works.
ILL-IN-GROWER
Member
This law scares me... Not sure I would want to even be involved...
Some problems with the proposed Illinois medical marijuana law… These were all my interpretations from reading the bill. If I'm wrong, please correct me!
1. The plant limits and dry cannabis limits are too low.
3 mature and 3 immature plants. A mature plant is anything larger than 12 inches in diameter or height. I have leaves that are 12 inches in diameter themselves!! Come on now.
2 ounces of dry flowers. It doesn’t say anything about hash, so 2 ounces of bubble may be a better way to go
Now technically, you can have more than this, but are only acquitted after you prove in court that it is a medical necessity. Drop a couple grand or so…
2. Caregiver/Patient Relationships
A caregiver may only have 1 patient. Hmmm…. Come on now. I’m not sure if this means you can be a patient and a caregiver and possibly get 2x the limits, but just ONE patient??!!
The bill mentions medical cannabis organizations. You can obtain more than one patient if you apply for a ‘business type’ license. There is a $5,000 fee attached and you are only allowed one space for cultivation. The address of which is required. All employees of this organization have to submit lots of information to obtain an ID card from the gov’t. None of which may be felons.
Along with this business license, is random spot checks, record keeping and submitting. Lots of data collection stuff….
3. Automatic repeal of the Act after 3 years
So there is all this data collecting, and the bill is automatically repealed after 3 years! Another bill or this bill will have to pass again in order to keep medical marijuana! Hello paranoia…
Oh my... Not sure I want my name on those lists...
Some problems with the proposed Illinois medical marijuana law… These were all my interpretations from reading the bill. If I'm wrong, please correct me!
1. The plant limits and dry cannabis limits are too low.
3 mature and 3 immature plants. A mature plant is anything larger than 12 inches in diameter or height. I have leaves that are 12 inches in diameter themselves!! Come on now.
2 ounces of dry flowers. It doesn’t say anything about hash, so 2 ounces of bubble may be a better way to go
Now technically, you can have more than this, but are only acquitted after you prove in court that it is a medical necessity. Drop a couple grand or so…
2. Caregiver/Patient Relationships
A caregiver may only have 1 patient. Hmmm…. Come on now. I’m not sure if this means you can be a patient and a caregiver and possibly get 2x the limits, but just ONE patient??!!
The bill mentions medical cannabis organizations. You can obtain more than one patient if you apply for a ‘business type’ license. There is a $5,000 fee attached and you are only allowed one space for cultivation. The address of which is required. All employees of this organization have to submit lots of information to obtain an ID card from the gov’t. None of which may be felons.
Along with this business license, is random spot checks, record keeping and submitting. Lots of data collection stuff….
3. Automatic repeal of the Act after 3 years
So there is all this data collecting, and the bill is automatically repealed after 3 years! Another bill or this bill will have to pass again in order to keep medical marijuana! Hello paranoia…
Oh my... Not sure I want my name on those lists...
ILL-IN-GROWER
Member
Had some time to go through it with a fine toothed comb.
Here are the important parts.
SB 1381 Key Points
1. The “adequate supply” a patient may possess and grow is determined by the Department of public health. Until they decide this arbitrary number, it is set at 6 plants, 3 mature. An immature plant is no more than 12 inches tall or wide and has no visible flowers. Also no more than 2 ounces of dried usable cannabis (this does not include the seeds, stalks, and roots of the plant or the weight of butter in edibles). They can arrest you if you have over this amount.
2. “A primary caregiver, other than a medical cannabis organization as defined in this Act may assist no more than one qualifying patient with their medical use of cannabis. A patient may designate only one primary caregiver, except that a patient may designate a medical cannabis organization and one individual primary caregiver.”
3. Caregiver’s can receive compensation for costs related to providing medicine.
4. $3 fee per registry identification card “which shall be used to develop and disseminate educational information about the health risks associated with the abuse of cannabis and prescription medications. The Department may establish a sliding scale of application and renewal fees based upon a qualifying patient’s family income.”
5. Each patient is allowed a maximum of 2 primary caregivers, 1 organization and 1 individual. Each caregiver is only allowed 1 patient unless you are an organization.
6. “Cards expire one year after the date of issuance.”
7. Registry cards contain
a. (1) Name, address, and date of birth of the qualifying patient;
b. (2) Name, address, and date of birth of each primary caregiver, if any, of the qualifying patient;
c. (3) The date of issuance and expiration date of the registry identification card;
d. (4) A random identification number that is unique to the cardholder; and
e. (5) A photograph, if the Department decides to require one.
8. A patient/caregiver shall notify the Department of any change to the above information within ten days, or is otherwise subject to a fine of no more than $150 and a civil infraction. There is a $10 fee for any changes and a new card is issued
9. Possession of, or application for, a registry identification card shall not constitute probable cause or reasonable suspicion, nor shall it be used to support the search of the person or property of the person possessing or applying for the registry identification card.
10. The Department shall maintain a confidential list of the persons to whom the Department has issued registry identification cards. Individual names and other identifying information on the list shall be confidential, exempt from the Freedom of Information Act, and not subject to disclosure, except to authorized employees of the Department as necessary to perform official duties of the Department.
11. Can’t smoke in any public place.
12. Doesn’t protect smokers or patients in the workplace.
13. If a card isn’t issued in 20 days, it can be assumed granted and a copy of the application is a valid id card.
14. Medical Cannabis Organizations
a. $5000 fee.
b. Address of any locations used for growing, dispensing, or have anything to do with cannabis.
c. Name, address, and date of birth for every employee.
d. Subject to random inspections.
e. Cannot exceed allowable amount for registered number of patients.
15. “This Act is repealed 3 years after its effective date.”
16. By July 1st 2010 the Department shall adopt rules defining an adequate 60-day supply.
17. Distribution of cannabis to any non patient can result in no more than 2 years in prison or a fine of no more than $2000.
18. “This Act takes effect upon becoming law.”
Also...
The Bill is back up and moving again. It's scheduled for the Third reading in the house, so it should be up for a vote very soon and it already made it through the senate. You can search for the site to see the bill status, not going to link to a .gov site from here. SB 1381.
Here are the important parts.
SB 1381 Key Points
1. The “adequate supply” a patient may possess and grow is determined by the Department of public health. Until they decide this arbitrary number, it is set at 6 plants, 3 mature. An immature plant is no more than 12 inches tall or wide and has no visible flowers. Also no more than 2 ounces of dried usable cannabis (this does not include the seeds, stalks, and roots of the plant or the weight of butter in edibles). They can arrest you if you have over this amount.
2. “A primary caregiver, other than a medical cannabis organization as defined in this Act may assist no more than one qualifying patient with their medical use of cannabis. A patient may designate only one primary caregiver, except that a patient may designate a medical cannabis organization and one individual primary caregiver.”
3. Caregiver’s can receive compensation for costs related to providing medicine.
4. $3 fee per registry identification card “which shall be used to develop and disseminate educational information about the health risks associated with the abuse of cannabis and prescription medications. The Department may establish a sliding scale of application and renewal fees based upon a qualifying patient’s family income.”
5. Each patient is allowed a maximum of 2 primary caregivers, 1 organization and 1 individual. Each caregiver is only allowed 1 patient unless you are an organization.
6. “Cards expire one year after the date of issuance.”
7. Registry cards contain
a. (1) Name, address, and date of birth of the qualifying patient;
b. (2) Name, address, and date of birth of each primary caregiver, if any, of the qualifying patient;
c. (3) The date of issuance and expiration date of the registry identification card;
d. (4) A random identification number that is unique to the cardholder; and
e. (5) A photograph, if the Department decides to require one.
8. A patient/caregiver shall notify the Department of any change to the above information within ten days, or is otherwise subject to a fine of no more than $150 and a civil infraction. There is a $10 fee for any changes and a new card is issued
9. Possession of, or application for, a registry identification card shall not constitute probable cause or reasonable suspicion, nor shall it be used to support the search of the person or property of the person possessing or applying for the registry identification card.
10. The Department shall maintain a confidential list of the persons to whom the Department has issued registry identification cards. Individual names and other identifying information on the list shall be confidential, exempt from the Freedom of Information Act, and not subject to disclosure, except to authorized employees of the Department as necessary to perform official duties of the Department.
11. Can’t smoke in any public place.
12. Doesn’t protect smokers or patients in the workplace.
13. If a card isn’t issued in 20 days, it can be assumed granted and a copy of the application is a valid id card.
14. Medical Cannabis Organizations
a. $5000 fee.
b. Address of any locations used for growing, dispensing, or have anything to do with cannabis.
c. Name, address, and date of birth for every employee.
d. Subject to random inspections.
e. Cannot exceed allowable amount for registered number of patients.
15. “This Act is repealed 3 years after its effective date.”
16. By July 1st 2010 the Department shall adopt rules defining an adequate 60-day supply.
17. Distribution of cannabis to any non patient can result in no more than 2 years in prison or a fine of no more than $2000.
18. “This Act takes effect upon becoming law.”
Also...
The Bill is back up and moving again. It's scheduled for the Third reading in the house, so it should be up for a vote very soon and it already made it through the senate. You can search for the site to see the bill status, not going to link to a .gov site from here. SB 1381.
BeardedClam
Member
Keeping my fingers crossed 
It is a far better bill than AZ and NJ. Its a bit in between Michigan's law and AZ/NJ levels of law.
The bill will be called to a vote between the 21st and the 30th.
Call your reps and Gov. Quinn.
The bill will be called to a vote between the 21st and the 30th.
Call your reps and Gov. Quinn.
ILL-IN-GROWER
Member
Skimmed over the MI bill. Allowed 2.5 ounces and 12 plants. You're allowed 12 plants if you live more than 25 miles from the nearest dispensing facility in AZ. I'd say better than IL.
No plants for New Jersey, and that sucks big time. Only 2 ounces there.
Ya there's worse bills out there, but it's not all just about the limits...
I guess a few things really leap out and scare me a bit about the IL bill.
As a grower I don't like this....
- Severe restrictions on plant numbers as well as the mature/immature plant bit. Very hard to keep moms.
- 1 patient per caregiver
As a person concerned about security, I don't like this...
- The very low fee to apply for a card.
- The data keeping that goes along with everyone that enters into the program.
- The automatic repeal of the law after 3 years.
It might just be the paranoia talking, but it's a bit sketchy.
The temptation of being legal though might be too much...
No plants for New Jersey, and that sucks big time. Only 2 ounces there.
Ya there's worse bills out there, but it's not all just about the limits...
I guess a few things really leap out and scare me a bit about the IL bill.
As a grower I don't like this....
- Severe restrictions on plant numbers as well as the mature/immature plant bit. Very hard to keep moms.
- 1 patient per caregiver
As a person concerned about security, I don't like this...
- The very low fee to apply for a card.
- The data keeping that goes along with everyone that enters into the program.
- The automatic repeal of the law after 3 years.
It might just be the paranoia talking, but it's a bit sketchy.
The temptation of being legal though might be too much...
BeardedClam
Member
Its better than nothing at all, you get busted now and your up shit creek.
All states collect and store info on people that they issue cards to, It does need a lot of work, but again something is better than nothing.
The sunset clause is a kick to the dick, but if we all behave ourselves, we have a good chance of it passing again in 3 years.
