What can the cops do? need help!

[BlackVenom]

Alright, so hypothetically speaking of course.....
My girlfriend was slinging a small out of marijuana, somehow it got out of hand but she would never sling more then an ounce. She used a prepaid phone to send texts and recently stopped. Now the other day her sister (in high school) got pulled out of class and the school asked her if her sisters number (my girlfriend) was 555-5555 which it was, but that number was her real cellphone number which she never used, not the prepaid. My girlfriends mom went to the school to ask what was going on and apparently the police was asking if my girlfriend went to that school(she had graduated from that school 2 years prior), and said they were doing an investigation on that phone number. Since then we removed all the illicit substances from my girlfriends apartment and she quit slinging a week before all this happened. Now what is weird is how the police got a hold of her real cellphone number that she never used, she literally had it shut off for months. My question is can a simple text message be used as evidence to either take action, acquire a search warrant, or press charges? Can police legally tap into her phone line or look up her text messages without any real evidence? obviously we are taking no chances and have stopped everything but my girlfriend is having anxiety attacks about what they could possibly do. anyone's 2 cents would greatly be appreciated.

oh and p.s. she has her medical card and she is disabled, i don't know if that can play a role or not.

fuck the police.

 

[MoeBudz^420]

Well I don't know much about Cali or US laws regarding cell records, but here they can get em without a warrant. They just call the provider and ask and they fork it over - so any cellphone usage is a security risk IMO, especially if "slanging"...



Peace

 

[Snypette]

seeing as she never used her real number for illegal matters, it sounds like a snitch. seems like they don't have evidence since they are going through her school trying to find something out so just make sure to be careful of being set up by a customer and you should be fine.

 

[JJScorpio]

Sounds like maybe the sister was selling it at school?

Warrants for cell records can be gotten and so can taps. Especially if school kids are involved......

 

[mrnikoboo]

I have had similar situations.
If they were investigating her for drugs they would not ask her little sister for the number in school. The school "pig" is always in contact with the investigators and the local task force.
Chances are he specifically is not the cop investigating anything, But a cop is investigating and asking him for information.
Text messages are widely used in as ammo for cops. The texts that are found on the phone itself, for instance your "in-box for text messages" can be used against you or to be used with other things they may have (a c.i? ).
BUT they cant see your texts from another location and they cant just pop texts up on a wire tap.
When leo wants texts from a phone that are no longer stored on a phone, he must get a warrent for the cell phone service provider. This is common in sexual cases, murders, big deal crimes. Drugs too but not nearly as common.
In my experiences, which are more than I like to remember. Phone taps, and shit like that just aren't used like they use to. Warrants are soo much easier to get other ways.
If their asking about her cell phone number openly, I like to think its not related to mary jane. If it was, the last thing they want to do ,is spook you. Asking little sister in school ..lets face it ..some spooky shit. And if it is mj, then they have a confidential informant and they already have a plan. . And chances of the phone being part of their case is rare. Is there anything else ....non drug related, maby an x boyfriend robbing stores or something? Think hard.
Change names on phonebook in cell to nicknames. Dont have mom under "mom"
Be smart.
Hope this helped.

 

[mrnikoboo]

Oh and I should add, having mom go to the school to see whats going on and shit is not the best thing. Guilty people ask questions. Im sure its just bothering the hell out of you wanting to know, but really its best you just sit back and know they don't have anything if your ridin clean.
they need a warrant in the usa for cell phone records, but if shes slanging a ounce here and there im telling ya the phone has nothing to do with what their after.
Whatever they say , , think the exact opposite and that's what their after.
Your not the serial neighborhood cat killer are you? lol jk

 

[gdtrfb]

sounds like she's got her ducks in a row as much as she can...i'd probably be the type to show up and ask just wtf they want. they aren't being subtle, no reason for her to.

 

[mrnikoboo]

No man, bad move.
You would think fuck it,,if their investigating me I have the right to know! ,,,
True you do have the right.
But your throwing up a red flag and if you did ask them, do you really expect to get the answer you want to hear? Or even a truthful answer? I know where your coming from gdtrf,
But I wouldn't recommend doing that, it would engage leo in conversation and most people fuck themselves when they engage with leo.

 

[gdtrfb]

No man, bad move.
You would think fuck it,,if their investigating me I have the right to know! ,,,
True you do have the right.
But your throwing up a red flag and if you did ask them, do you really expect to get the answer you want to hear? Or even a truthful answer? I know where your coming from gdtrf,
But I wouldn't recommend doing that, it would engage leo in conversation and most people fuck themselves when they engage with leo.

in general i agree, but i think the game changes when LEO is already engaging you.

 

[mrnikoboo]

in general i agree, but i think the game changes when LEO is already engaging you.

true, well they engaged the little sister, which is fishy. Leo typically does not want to spook when a warrant is near. In fact they go to extremes to not spook you. Typically when a warrant is singed by a judge legally they have 5 days to serve it, I think its five.
Anyway, if he has nothing in his home, and he ditched the burner phone, your on a gravy train.

 

[gdtrfb]

true, well they engaged the little sister, which is fishy. Leo typically does not want to spook when a warrant is near. In fact they go to extremes to not spook you. Typically when a warrant is singed by a judge legally they have 5 days to serve it, I think its five.
Anyway, if he has nothing in his home, and he ditched the burner phone, your on a gravy train.

to some extent, but...if it's a phone that's been disconnected, i'd be wondering about ID theft/fraud...

i get the whole 'don't drag your skeletons out of the closet on cop parade' angle, but i'd be too caught up in wondering about the shit that doesn't involve my skeletons, particularly if i've got them as buried as is possible.

not saying that's shit for advice, it's just what'd drive me bonky until i 'dealt with it' to some degree.

 

[mrnikoboo]

You said it man, drive you f'ing nuts. We all been there. Where you just want to know what they have on you.. you'll loose sleep over the shit. Its easy for me to say just sit back and chill. But easier said than done. werd

 

[BlackVenom]

thanks for the info and advice guys, i really appreciate it.
yet again hypothetically speaking, she was selling some L too.
But I was thinking that too, If they were going to get a warrant I don't understand why they would give themselves away by asking the school and her little sister for that info.

 

[Snypette]

they aren't getting a warrant, if they were it would already of happened. and they can't get a warrant just from hear say, someone would have to set you up (which probably hasn't happened yet since they are asking her sister for info) to get that warrant. So just do what your doing. nothing illegal.

 

[mrnikoboo]

they aren't getting a warrant, if they were it would already of happened. and they can't get a warrant just from hear say, someone would have to set you up (which probably hasn't happened yet since they are asking her sister for info) to get that warrant. So just do what your doing. nothing illegal.

Just to chime in a set up in my state is not the requirements for a warrant in fact they are much lighter.
Let me give a hypothetical.
You get caught, cops know your buddy is the "big guy in town" They ask you where he is currently staying. You point to his apartment. They walk by with a dog and get a hit on the apartment, bam warrant issued. Yet you never told them shit, you never wore a wire you just said hey my buddy lives here.
This is one situation in many they can get a warrant.

If she was sellin L, the story changes big time. Really.
I knew there was more to the story.
Get your area cleaned up. Its not uncommon for you to be on the radar for up to a year. Thats what their after stay away from it youll be cool. Or else next youll be saying "hey this big shitty van was at my mailbox messing with my mail this morning, should I be worried".

 

[feral]

This pre-paid phone wasn't 'registered' in any name/adress that can come back to either of you is it? Wasn't registered from any of your personal computers was it?
I hope not but if so then why have one in the first place?
If this is drug related then someone's more than likely copped a deuce and told on her.

 

[!!!]

Typically when a warrant is singed by a judge legally they have 5 days to serve it, I think its five..

Depends on the state. For example, in the state in which the popular video of police raiding a man's home and shooting his dog, only to find a pipe and a few grams of bud, the cops had 21 days to serve the warrant.

 

[!!!]

Let me give a hypothetical.
You get caught, cops know your buddy is the "big guy in town" They ask you where he is currently staying. You point to his apartment. They walk by with a dog and get a hit on the apartment, bam warrant issued. Yet you never told them shit, you never wore a wire you just said hey my buddy lives here.
This is one situation in many they can get a warrant.

Hopefully you're wrong. The judge would have to be an incompetent, unqualified, corrupt piece of shit to issue a warrant simply based on hearsay or without any reasonable evidence. The home is considered sacred and unless there is an immediate thread of danger, obtaining a warrant requires enough evidence to convince a judge that this particular home requires being searched.

Of course, we don't live in an ideal world, so you're probably right, at least in some cases!