What can i do with 13x14x8 garage legal grow project

[gus738]

the title is wrong, and have reupdated this post 9-27-10 will make a new thread once get everything i need.

hey guys im looking for comments and feedback advice suggestions, well i have a 4x5x8 that i will turn into a veg room a and 7x5x8 which will be flower. both are very much sealed and light proof.

2 head bands 3 northern light 1 kryptonight 1 la confidential and a few bag seeds . no height restrictions i guess need low count of plants


LONG STORY
i want to do control grow environment. in flower i want to eventually be using (4) 1k's hps i will be doing c.a.p. ebb n gro 12 site with hydro clay. because its 4k of light this puts me a hair under 115w per squre foot? what would you do if you had this size and was starting fresh ground up? what should i expect yield at minimal and averagely - being that first time grower

needs to be odor free and as least as possible of sounds/noise.
what choices of brands are most recommended?

i got 50 amp dp circuit breaker from main box then run #8 black wire that goes to a sub panel that has (6) 20 amp breakers then from sub panel to outlets running a 12/2

we dont have a dryer and hardly use the washer.
- im concern how to get the outlets on 12/2 to be 220/
im debating on the timer, i have a

Timer is intermatic t101 24 time switch NEMA 1 - 125 V SPST have access to my electrical in same room

Goal 1 pound per plant and a good trade off between fast timeing and smoke quality/smoothness, not much concern on weight or bag appeal and dont mind harvesting frequently
please advice if you guys think theirs a better or different alternative i want reliably and as accurate products, as i rather get something properly built then a diy.

EQUIPMENT LIST c.a.p ebb n gro 12 site 1) magnum xxl 6"
1 lumatek eballast multi watt 600w 750k 1k 120/240 mh/hps
switchable 1 horti blue day mh 1k b/w 5.5 mil

i still need get a ph meter tds/ppm cabon filter eventually ac would i need inline fans? and nutrients which is where i really want to focus.

 

[Lazyman]

Whew you have a lot of questions. What's your budget for this whole thing? 8oz is nothin, you can get that out of 1 great big plant, 2 large ones, or 8 small ones. How often do you want to harvest?

Also, what was your biggest grow to date? Or are you new?

 

[Lazyman]

Oh, remove that link from the bottom of your post STAT, it says your name.

 

[gus738]

Yeah i know its alot of questions but i feel that despite reading countless of threads in different forums among videos (even from pros like george cervantes etc) but theirs always more questions..

when you say big plant are we talking 8ft+ at harvest? or 6-8ft max? i prefer less plants but bigger stronger bushy plants over small sog etc unless i can achieve better results via lst or scrog/sog

how often do i want to harvest? i dont mind anytime this is my new job so will dedicated to it. how soon can i harvest?

budget? i want to have a open ended budget i will buy more stuff as i go

i really wouldn't want to say oh i have a budget the miss out on something important and then later end up putting more when i could of invested some now.

see what i mean? also not sure for flower between (4) 600 watts or (4) 1k im not concern about electricity bill but would like to know price per month difference between 600w vs 1k
oh and im new to growing done extensive research to the point where i decided to go just to aeroponics as it has so many benefits. which brings me to the question can the aerojet 4 tray do from clone to harvest?

 

[bs0]

13x14x8?

You could overgrow the world with that setup!

If you made a seperate 4x4 mother/clone room you could just do 1 1k hps and 4 flowering plants. From this you could stagger flowering times and have a 1 plant harvest every 2-3 weeks, and you could grow med-to-big plants too. So like 4oz harvest every 3-4 weeks?

I figure you could do all that in only half of the allotted space!

*edit*

you said you have a 1k budget? If your goals are modest why not just get a med sized grow tent (for flowering), a 1000w hps, a 4" duct fan and carbon filter, a thermostat fan controller, and a few CFL's for the mothers in the outside room?

$200 tent
$300 fan/controller/carbon scrubber
$300 decent 1k hps setup
$200-$300 misc materials.

If you are handy as well, you could just frame up the room on your own instead of getting the tent and that would save you some decent money too!

 

[gus738]

No no set budget

No no set budget

i have an open ended budget , i dont intend on being limited so disregard about 1k

i want to get the most out of the rooms and want to put less number amount of plants. i dont want to have the plants lack of having lights which is why i decided to fellow the rule something about 100 watts per plant

what you mean by flower stagger?

how can i achieve 4 oz every 3 weeks or 1 month?

the use of a tent? other then to build up heat why use tent over constructing a wall or in this case out of drywall

was thinking of 6" inline from vortex but some Panasonic inline whisper fans? have been known for being quiet and efficient?

also want to get a carbon filter? or those big carbon inline thing.

13x14x8?

You could overgrow the world with that setup!

If you made a seperate 4x4 mother/clone room you could just do 1 1k hps and 4 flowering plants. From this you could stagger flowering times and have a 1 plant harvest every 2-3 weeks, and you could grow med-to-big plants too. So like 4oz harvest every 3-4 weeks?

I figure you could do all that in only half of the allotted space!

*edit*

you said you have a 1k budget? If your goals are modest why not just get a med sized grow tent (for flowering), a 1000w hps, a 4" duct fan and carbon filter, a thermostat fan controller, and a few CFL's for the mothers in the outside room?

$200 tent
$300 fan/controller/carbon scrubber
$300 decent 1k hps setup
$200-$300 misc materials.

If you are handy as well, you could just frame up the room on your own instead of getting the tent and that would save you some decent money too!

 

[bs0]

no theirs no budget , i dont intend on being limited so i shooted a number of 1k minimum but i can do more....

how much should i dedicate in building alone? 1.5k or 2 grand?
i want to use most use of the rooms and want to put certain amount of plants does that matter? i dont want to have the plants be asking for more lights becaue i put alot , something about 100 watts per plant rule?

what you mean by flower stagger?

how can i achieve 4 oz every 3 weeks or 1 month?

the use of a tent? other then to build up heat why use tent over constructing a wall or in this case out of drywall

was thinking of 6" inline from vortex but some Panasonic inline whisper fans? have been known for being quiet and efficient?

also want to get a carbon filter? or those big carbon inline thing.

i saw different drywall type on homedepot , some fire resistant , room to room sound is lessen

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs...1&catalogId=10053&locStoreNum=629&marketID=21

Since the plants have a set flowering time you can offset it to provide continual harvest (best for personals IMO). Put one plant to flower, wait 3 weeks, put the next to flower, wait 3 weeks, put the next to flower, wait 3 weeks, harvest the first plant and put one plant to flower...

The timing depends on your total flowering period, a 70 day plant needs 10 weeks so you could do 3 3.33 week harvets or 4 2.5week harvests.

Having an open-ended budget is tough to imagine, that room you have could honestly produce 2lb every 3 weeks.

I'd suggest looking up grows using the keyword '1k' or '2k' or '3k', you can find out what is needed. If you go over 1k though then I think you end up in the realm of needing A/C, dehumidifier, multiple inline fans, environmental controllers, and way way way way more weed than any one man (and all his friends) could possibly ever smoke.

Try it small and see how you feel about it, just comb craigslist for a couple weeks to assemble the parts and you could probably get it done for a very low price (I scored a 1k hps ballast with sunsystem hood and bulb once for $100).

Another suggestion would be this: goto the local hydroponic shop (with a big mitt full of cash) and just ask them for a full setup to grow tomatoes, or hot peppers, or orchids... your white lie will be accepted totally at face value. they will walk you through everything and set you up with everything you need. Just have someone else drive you there, never goto the hydro shop with plates that match the location's address.

 

[gus738]

i got the hydro part taken care of so i pretty much need help setting up the ideal veg/flower room. hey the more bud the better i wouldnt mind smoking more then an 8th.
would i get drastic results from getting ac?

see i want to build this right, have a 2 1k's in veg/ (4 1k's in flower) then LATER once i got a few set ups going then i'll upgrade to light movers, leds as supplemental etc

 

[gus738]

also 600 watts are not made specifically for mh ? so do i have to go higher then 600 watts on veg as well. how do those dual arc or conversion with mh/hps?

i really want to use a mh or cmh for veg and hps for flower

 

[greentrich]

Gus...you're making me jealous.....legal grow, huge room, limitless budget.
Good luck man, excited to see how you do..exciting stuff. I like seeing new growers blossom.
You're at the right place, folks here know their shit and are very friendly.

 

[gus738]

Thanks it feels great to knowing their willing to help and i do feel im at the right place. i just feel that i wrote alot and that keeps people from reading..... i wouldn't say limitless but more like planning and putting it all together like a puzzle

where do people read most? and how can i get into chat says i cant? i want to spread the word theirs people here that can read my thread.

i also have questions on lighting : how having a close lamp vs distance lamp same spectrum different watts. (more to this) ideal venting.(i was told that air should be exhausted every minute or 2 x or 3 x the amount (something along those lines)

Gus...you're making me jealous.....legal grow, huge room, limitless budget.
Good luck man, excited to see how you do..exciting stuff. I like seeing new growers blossom.
You're at the right place, folks here know their shit and are very friendly.

 

[cody2white]

Here's a great read. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=165741

 

[Emperor Herer]

Gasp!

Gasp!

Whoa Gus!

Breath.

When you get to fifty posts you can PM people for details.

I dont think you want to ask fifteen questions at the same time. Not only is it confusing to try to answer them, you will get fifty answers for every question.

Now, if, as you said, you have read tones of threads, most, if not all your questions are unnecessary... Your excitement is clear. CALM DOWN

If you only want/need an eight per week, a full 13x14 is over kill. As an example; I have a small box/cabernet that should, when fully up and running, should bring in an ounce a month, perpetual. This box has a footprint of less than 5X3, runs 13amp, 1400Watts and it is expandable... meaning I can add more PLANTS to get more out of it with out any additional $$$

Your pdf, Gus Room, that 5x7 closet would be a great mother/clone room and set up the 'bed' area for flower... But, that is a LOT of room...

Find out your "POWER" supply. Check the fusebox/breaker panel in the 'main' house. Do you have water, where and how close? Hauling water isnt bad for a small cab, but can be a pain in the ass for multipl big plants. Any venting? HAVAC? to-the-outside- windows? Shared walls with house /and/ outside/more garage?

If you're still breathing...

No matter what you do, it will take months to get your first bud. If you cant slow down now, you sure as hell wont like week five of flower.

Keep in mind. Money dont grow good Cannabis. Good growers grow good Cannabis.

And growing takes time and patience.

But, money really fucking helps...


Now, one question at a time.

Go introduce yourself ... go see what others are doing, be inquisitive, within reason, and helpful where you can.


It is as easy as falling of a log. If falling off a log took three months.





X

 

[gus738]

UPDATE : smaller size 11ft x 5ft x 8 ft

UPDATE : smaller size 11ft x 5ft x 8 ft

update:
11ft wide by 8ft height but not sure about length. is 5 ft good? i can go up to 7ft.

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cody thanks for link here i go,

Emperor yeah i was afraid of the fact that if i posted alot people would be discourage to type. but i just want to point out that im trying to be as dedicated to this as possible.


and out of that 11x5x8ft i was going to have 2 separated "closet rooms" one veg , one flower.

now the question is HOW BIG?? : should the flower room be?

same question with veg room.

i was thinking for flower it can be 7x5x8 therefore veg room is 4x5x8

in length i can go up to 7ft deep. but so far the ideal is set on 5ft so i get a few feet for me just to put my flat screen and bed
i plan on to add more lamps as my budget recovers , ideal is 2 600 watt or 2 1k mh for veg and 4 600 watt or 4 1k hps for flower. so i can have

 

[gus738]

questions : you make it sound as if its a bad thing to have a big room, why?

is it better or more effective to have a separated sealed room with insulation and door, or an open floor plan is better? meaning no walls just the reflective panda film around the plants? keep in mind will be using a inline fan carbon and want constant temp "stable temp"


yes i want atleast to make an 8th worth , more is always better now i see that you stated should , quite often, see i dont want to be concern " oh will it produces my needs" just because the room was too small for big bushy plants (think more then 3 ft during flower and harvest around 6 ft or so less.) or i could of fill up more plants to be on the safe side.

so thats why i wanted to go with big rooms.

what do i look for in my electrical box?

as far as water, im going to be using gallon water, now im going to be using aerojet 4 tray aeroponic sysem, it has a 20 gallon reservoir.

so water wont be much of a hassle? because i will only need to flush the water only certain times not on a daily basis?

and as far as venting since this room will be in garage and sealed i have to vent with fans what do you guys suggest for this situation?

i dont know about havac but isnt that what newer houes have? this house was made around 195x so yeah no havac ..?

theirs a window that's 3 ft height by 6 ft wide that i have acess to but is about 5+ft across from the closets i plan on building.

 

[dtfsux]

You have a med license? Surely you have a limit on how many plants you can grow? That would be the first thing to know IMO.

A couple facts for you to think about.

A 1000W bulb can cover around a 4 foot by 4 foot area, and should yield around 1 to 1.5 pounds. If you dont get 8oz off a 1000w bulb, you have messed up BIG time

Aero systems get great results. But they are REAL sensitive. ANY hiccup in the timer, pump, sprayers etc, will ruin your crop. You admit not growing and that is OK. We all start somewhere. But one thing you will learn is you make mistakes, forget to turn timers on, forget to plug pumps in after res maintenance, etc

I grew aero once and had so MANY problems and nearly lost my crop several times. NEVER AGAIN

I highly suggest you skip the aero. I would suggest getting a 4x 8 E&F table and hang 2 1000w lights over it. Very simple to install, and maintain. You can always switch medium hydroton, coco, rockwool, etc. And you can switch from E&F to drip. You could do 4x4 with one light, I just like to overkill.

The table is flexible and gives you lots of options, and will produce great results. Trust me, I have grown more weed than you can imagine on E&F tables

And you can always sell the table on Craigslist later if you decide to DWC, AERO, buckets etc.

For electrical, are you well versed in electricity? Because you are going to need some upgrades. How far away is the panel, and are there any open spots where you can add breakers?

I would do just one harvest versus perpetual. Harvest time means trimming, cleaning, etc. Do it all at once. Also it is hard to run perpetual on a small scale. You cant have plants weeks apart on the same res because nutrient requirements are different

You really want the grow area sealed and light proofed, versus just running in the garage. I would suggest framing a flower area in a corner, and building 2 walls from 2x4 to make a room. You can line the walls with drywall which is nice. Or line it with panda flm which works well.

If running non sealed, you still want to control the air coming in and out. You want to filter all the air coming out for odor.

A sealed grow means A/C, Co2, and a dehumidifier. Yes you will see improvements in the grow. Higher yield and denser buds. But to meet your 8 oz requirement, it is absolutely not needed



Do you own this house or rent?

 

[toastfighter2]

You could always do something like Pirate did(https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=109231), and always have more than you could smoke. You could also build a couple grow tunnels in there and be able to move them if you ever needed to.

 

[gus738]

dtfsux yes i have a a med license, yeah i know about limits thats why i want bushier plant rather then mutiple smaller plants that take up more space and produces less then.

if i become a caregiver to a med user my amounts increase, so im not too worry on the amounts.
im aware a 1k can have a cover area of 4x4 but not only am i concern about ideal foot print so i rather have 4 6 600 watts to cover evenly vs 2 1k's. (provided theirs benefit in this this)

also 1k's put off more heat then 600 watts ?..? and have to be kept at a further distance. then the 600 watts ?

also hydro is a bit slower process then true aeroponics right? i will be getting a aerojet aeropoinics 4 tray system.

should be atleast 12 plants min or max 16.

electricity : i have all panels all access everything is in garage. it seems like i have 1 more left slot

i got drywall for outside and inside so thats 2 between 2x4, will add quiet Zone insulation. its inside garage

i got permision from the owner to built my wall so yes im renting.

im not concern if i have to put all my time to this as i dont work anymore :'( got the news when i looked for my new schld

toastfighter his setup is awesome but i feel that having sog requires more experience and in a way i feel its not ideal for my situation. thanks i definitely plan on doing something like that as i expend

 

[dtfsux]

Your landlord gave you permission to GROW or build a wall? Big difference

Yeah 1000's give out more heat. I have grown under 600's and 1000's. Will never use 600's again. Same strain, same nutes, same system (E&F) and the 1000's produced tighter,denser buds

Heat isn't an issue, just air cool them. If air cooled properly, you can get them pretty close. Actually heat isnt the issue, the foot print of the reflector is. I found I needed to keep my hood raised enough to cover the 4x4 area, it wasn't heat that made me raise them.

Aeroponics is faster. Do a search on it, and you will find it is not suggested for new growers. I promise you, have a timer go bad, leave a pump unplugged during the 12/12 period, and you will come back to a root ball that is hard like a rock, and plants so weak they are bending 180 degrees and the tops are sitting on the floor. Been there, done that

 

[gus738]

i appreciate the feedback so theirs a very noticeable difference between 600 watts vs 1000 watts just in density or potency? what about yields?? can harvest times or something else be to blame?

YES i agree reflectors footprint is important!, best i've seen that is commonly found is the magnum xxl 6" i also heard of bell lighting technology and was told its known to be the best, couldnt find it so i went with magnum xxl 6" as far my decision

as far as air cooling properly what you mean? just air cooled reflector with ducting /fan or to what extent?

yeah i know aeroponics is faster and been stuck on it since i thought about growing, so that ideal is not going out until i fail or something else works better for me.

provided that i stay on top of things (have extra timers / bulbs ballast pump etc or even backup generator then i shouldnt run into issues?

in case you were or weren't aware i will be using botanicare aerojet 4 tray (im just curious if it can go a full cycle clone to harvest on the same kit no transplanting.