Irresponsible use of Floramite

[there is no c]

From looking at these forums, I find that many growers are using Floramite in an irresponsible way. It is not meant as a prophilactic, but many growers, mostly those in no-winter-freeze areas where spider mites are a real problem, use it as a preventive. Floramite seems like the nuclear option, to be used only when really needed. My problems with prophylactic floramite this are as follows:

1) you are effectively breading Floramite resistant mites. [Link] I understand that yields are important to commercial growers but don't fuck over the future. At least rotate miticides, prophylactic use is discouraged and rotation is recommend. If growers in 2030 need miticide, it would be nice if they still had the option of floramite. There are already mites that are Avid immune and there is significant evidence that routine use of Avid was the cause. Same thing as with antibiotic resistance; look up phage therapy and you may see why biological methods are better than chemical (hint: they evolve).

2) By suggesting the prophylactic uses of Floramite w/o rotation of miticides, which is counter-indicated by the label, as they recommend Floramite for control and not prevention, you are encouraging stupid growers to ignore more of the label, like not spraying right before harvest. You know a lot of growers are idiots, and yet you post your love of it without reservation. Stupid grower example w/ Floramite; he's doing a line of asbestos next.

3) smoking is the most direct form of ingestion, besides injection. I know that there have been no indications that Floramite is detrimental when the proper wait-time is observed, but studies can only tell us that x-problem hasn't happened in x-trials, not that no problems will ever occur. Wouldn't prudent application be warranted with a relatively new chemical being used on a product that is smoked and that can't be washed before ingestion?

Ok haters.... GO!

 

[Lazyman]

Yeah I'm probably one of the guys you don't like, your description fits me to a tee. This oughtta be fun!

Yes I use Floramite as a preventative, at 1 ml per gallon, applied every 3-4 weeks. To use ANYTHING else would require significantly more spray, both in intervals and quantity. So is it better to use 200ml of pesticide a month, or 1ml?

Also, would you rather smoke something that had neem or pyrethrins (or Avid, Azamax etc) applied over and over, coating and flavoring your buds, or something that was sprayed on a month prior and is greatly dissipated?

I am Lazy, and would rather spray something 3 times instead of 20. Mites are so prevalent in my area it's hard NOT to get them. I do what works until I need to change it.

 

[there is no c]

Yeah I'm probably one of the guys you don't like, your description fits me to a tee. This oughtta be fun!

I like you from what i know of you, I just disagree with you methods. It's not personal. but i like the fact that you disclose to your patients your chemicals. My point is, neem has the same dissipation rate as floramite, in my experience, why not rotate. I am still really impressed with your grow, that why i didn't wanna hijack your thread

 

[LolaGal]

seems like I read on the label not to let it get in the water outside at all.

It will kill birds and bees.

You know what happens when you kill the birds and bees... ruh-roh.


Don't even throw out the empty bottles you mix it in. If they get in landfill, they wind up in the water... see above.


Yes, I have TWO bottles of Floramite. It is all that works.

and still they come back.... wonder if white tile floor and walls would work better at keeping them killed?

 

[there is no c]

seems like I read on the label not to let it get in the water outside at all.

It will kill birds and bees.

You know what happens when you kill the birds and bees... ruh-roh.


Don't even throw out the empty bottles you mix it in. If they get in landfill, they wind up in the water... see above.


Yes, I have TWO bottles of Floramite. It is all that works.

and still they come back.... wonder if white tile floor and walls would work better at keeping them killed?

Not saying dont use it, but treat it with respect.

 

[Blowstrees]

Great post IMO. There are to many growers out there using this and many other products in an irresponsible manner.

Any real IPM has ROTATION of products for prevention of resistance!

 

[Lazyman]

I like you from what i know of you, I just disagree with you methods. It's not personal. but i like the fact that you disclose to your patients your chemicals. My point is, neem has the same dissipation rate as floramite, in my experience, why not rotate. I am still really impressed with your grow, that why i didn't wanna hijack your thread

It's cool, I don't get personal unless someone else starts it, lol.

The problem with neem is efficacy. It only works for 3-4 days before it needs re-application. It also doesn't kill eggs, and like most pesticides should not be sprayed in late flower. So if you get mites at week 6, it's too late and you can't really fix it.

I'd just prefer not to get into that situation in the first place, spraying every 3-4 weeks (last spray at about week 4) prevents mites right through to the end and has had 4 weeks to dissipate before chop.

I know it's not a perfect solution, but it's the most logical one I've seen.

 

[there is no c]

The problem with neem is efficacy. It only works for 3-4 days before it needs re-application. It also doesn't kill eggs, and like most pesticides should not be sprayed in late flower. So if you get mites at week 6, it's too late and you can't really fix it.

K. I'll accept that. but wouldn't Pyrethrum application, in conjunction with the preventive Floramite be a good idea? The one or two mites that survive and carry just a little bit of genetic resistance with them are likly to be killed by the Pyrethrum. Resistance is my major worry, because who knows what chemical will be needed to kill the next generation of Floramite-resistant mite. I feel the multiple pesticide angle is appropriate, especially when used as a preventative.

 

[P. Dondrub]

For the specific concerns mentioned, I was not satisfied with using floramite as the only miticide, it did not seem to eradicate the mites completely.


I picked up a bottle of Forbid and mixed it with the floramite, sprayed everything.

90 days now.... no sign of 'em!!

 

[indifferent]

Hmm, what about UV-C? A lot of these nasty pesticides are gonna be obsolete once people start using UV-C to kill pests. It's already in use in commercial greenhouses, I expect it won' be long before products designed specifically for the indoor small-time grower are all over the market.

 

[krunchbubble]

ive used avid, floramite, eagle20 and merit, not only as a preventative, but as a way to kill whatever that needs to be killed.

all of these are systemic. just make sure you give your self at least a 10 day buffer, after the initial 30 day cycle imo this will be more then enough time to leech out

rotating these products is a very good idea. avid resistant mites are everywhere in the bay

ive had my product tested over and over again at harborside and it always comes back perfect.

if your going to use this shit, be responsible. these chemicals cause some bad stuff to your body, there nuerotoxins.

 

[Tripsick]

Hmm, what about UV-C? A lot of these nasty pesticides are gonna be obsolete once people start using UV-C to kill pests. It's already in use in commercial greenhouses, I expect it won' be long before products designed specifically for the indoor small-time grower are all over the market.

what is UV-C? a type of lamp? Does it have other applications besides pest control how about fungus?

 

[Tripsick]

this is what i found..

UV-C lamps can be used to sterilize a grow room before use, even though it is still recommended to clean everything with a weak bleach solution. Another possible application for UV-C lamps is to have them in your indoor garden and have them turn on for a few seconds to a minute depending on the wattage of the lamps. The UV-C rays only kill what they hit so it is necessary to place them in intervals in-between the plants to ensure that the plants are getting hit from every angle.

And then this part... if this really works i hope its widely adapted.

UV-C rays can destroy anything from viruses, mold, bacteria, and mildew to plant pests like spider mites. Although it is successful in killing unwanted diseases and pathogens, it needs to be closely monitored because it can be harmful to not only you but your plants as well.

I dont see a down side.. 0 pesticides and fungicides as long as you wear protection and pay attention.

 

[there is no c]

For the specific concerns mentioned, I was not satisfied with using floramite as the only miticide, it did not seem to eradicate the mites completely.


I picked up a bottle of Forbid and mixed it with the floramite, sprayed everything.

90 days now.... no sign of 'em!!

My man!

 

[benzo]

bump.. i gotmites.. and Im using neem and JUST got floramite... should I rotate them every 5 days? Im also planning on use a pri bomb..