1970's sativas - pre indica invasion

[RugerBaby]

midwest here..

 

[DaShadow]

Hey FF;

You going to have the season to grow them sativas if they do sprout?

Best of Luck
Da'Shadow

 

[motaco]

actually it's very important to plant a seed the right way. Very often they in fact don't grow up and out of the soil, they spiral around under it taking the path of least resistance which is not always up. In fact I've seen several grow straight downwards. Sometimes they die without a growers intervention, and sometimes they still die accidentally by breaking the tap root when trying to fix it to stand upright. The whole deal can be avoided if they are planted right.

When plants drop seeds they do so by the thousand, and it's irrelevant if some don't make it. When you buy ten for a hundred dollars or have only a handful left it can make the difference in having a mom or not.

No offense to anyone but honestly if you don't have much experience then just don't say anything. Giving no advice is better than giving bad advice, and it's not an uncommon problem in growing. Seeds cost a fortune and most people want every one to work.

 

[rope]

Good luck man, those things should turn into beasts!
But yeah, like Dashadow said, if you don't have the climate, they might not finish at all, and then those beans would have gone to waste.

 

[mriko]

cant really say much, but what's the best way to start seeds that have been in storage for veeerrry long periods of time?

i've heard of washing/soakin in mild peroxide, using sterile soil etc etc

Which peroxide have you "heard about" ? there are different kind (hydrogen, benzoyle, acetone). I'd rather try soaking them in a gibberelic acid solution, which is specifically used for helping old to very old seeds to germinate. some more information here : http://www.super-grow.biz/GibberellicAcid.jsp

Irie !

 

[Freedom Fighter]

i thought that giberalic was used to induce mutations etc? hmmm havn't read about that in a while...

Digital Hippy - nah man, northeast USA

DaShadow - i honestly doubt it at 44N ---- however i may end up renting a place specifically for these girls, if they run it well... plus i've got some good friends around i might be able to trust with clones...
...but like the old man said (who gave these to me) he used to just rootbound them in small pots to stress them into flower. I think takin cuts and then forcing the original parents is my best bet.

 

[Guest423]

I live at 44N also and I doubt you stand a chance for them finishing outdoors, you'll end up with some plants just starting to show hairs mid Oct when you need to be pullin lol, You can try all the tricks in the book but if the seed is dead its dead. I just tried a batch of beans from only 02 and they were toast. Tried 50 the first time they would crack and the insides were dead and scorched, few weeks later I tried 80 more and same result, so 130 beans and not 1 seedling emerged.

I tried peroxide with some, straight in the dirt, some with dome some without, had a perfect controlled temp,tried some in paper towels, used some hydrogen peroxide on some, I lined a matchbox with sandpaper and shook some of them in there to scuff them...no go.

I tried those same tactics with some seeds from the early 80's and got about 70% to germinate. Some old seeds are just dead on the inside and there's nothing you can do about it...Had a peanut butter jar full of Northern Lights seeds from the early/mid 80's from an old guy that passed away and couldn't get a single one of those to go. It comes down to how they are stored.

good luck to ya hope they are still good!

 

[John Deere]

actually it's very important to plant a seed the right way. Very often they in fact don't grow up and out of the soil, they spiral around under it taking the path of least resistance which is not always up. In fact I've seen several grow straight downwards. Sometimes they die without a growers intervention, and sometimes they still die accidentally by breaking the tap root when trying to fix it to stand upright. The whole deal can be avoided if they are planted right.

When plants drop seeds they do so by the thousand, and it's irrelevant if some don't make it. When you buy ten for a hundred dollars or have only a handful left it can make the difference in having a mom or not.

No offense to anyone but honestly if you don't have much experience then just don't say anything. Giving no advice is better than giving bad advice, and it's not an uncommon problem in growing. Seeds cost a fortune and most people want every one to work.

No offense taken. We're all here to learn. I suggest you read up on gravitropism. In short, it means roots grow down and shoots grow up. If the plants are growing underground but not popping out of the soil my assumption is that they're planted too deep. (general rule is 3x the thickness of the seeds)

It's not hurting anything to plant seeds pointing a specific direction but it's not necessary, either. But whatever works for you is fine with me.

Best of luck to everyone.

http://www.google.com/search?q=grav...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

It's also been discussed and experimented with by folks on this forum. Here's an example.

http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=24420&highlight=gravitropism

 

[motaco]

I know just what it is it just doesn't always happen. I've seen it several times.

99% of the time you are right. But when I pay ten to fifteen bucks a seed or I only have 5 seeds left of a nearly extinct strain I want 100%.

 

[Freedom Fighter]

dont worry folks, these boys and gals wont go to waste (if they germ ) ... way to valuable (genetically, & $$ wise) to let that happen.

like i said, if i have success, i may end up getting a place specifically for them --- so some observation & selection can happen.

but, as the man who these seeds belonged to said, he has grown them to mature buds by simply root bounding them. Any comments on this? i'd like to know more about it anyway... but specifically for these.

 

[SOTF420]

Your best bet is to flower them indoors in a controlled environment under a 600 watt+ HPS light and switch them to 12/12 light cycle after growing just a few sets of leaves to control the height to a few feet tall instead of being meters high outdoors. Even if flowered very small and young they will grow into well developed plants. Then after a decent time flowering (after first 6 - 8 weeks or so) & depending upon how long they are taking overall you can change the light cycle to 11 hours light and 13 dark for a week or two and then down to 10 hours of light with 14 hours darkness to finish them up in a quicker manner if they are very long flowering sativa's.

 

[Freedom Fighter]

if i had space for an indoor setup, these ladies would have their own room.

it's just not possible right now, but maybe this winter.

thanks for the tips- that sounds right on compared to everything else i've read about long season sativas indo

 

[amrad]

I question why you would attempt to grow them out, when you dont have the season for outdoor maturation, and you dont have a grow room set up for them, I think you said that?
Dont mean to sound cranky LOL The root bound trick will work, done it many times. But with genetics which could be quite rare today make sure you have all your ducks in a row before you even think of germination. Maybe a breeder would be interested in your seeds, and might trade you for fresh genetics. Then if they did sprout their value would not be lost. Anyway please dont take this the wrong way, they are after all your seeds LOL wishing you luck.

 

[superbolan]

I've used a russian supplement called EPIN to germinate very old seeds, Got 100% germination on a pack over 10 yrs old. When i wish to germinate my original Durban thai highflyers Im hoping for at least 50% but they are much older than that.

 

[Freedom Fighter]

amrad, i hear where your comin from ....

Like I said, I will try the rootbound trick HOWEVER-> every plant that germs I will be taking cuttings of, have them labeled and grown for more cuts .... JUST INCASE the rootbinding doesn't work, or deer get my babies, or.... a bear shits on them, or whatever.

i'm positive i can get a few different people to veg clones for me --- I'm just saying i wont have the space to do indoor for a while.

...plus i like growing outside more lol

but to be honest, i'd like to see how they grow around here - potential breeding projects

 

[Freedom Fighter]

http://www. gflora.com/zen-cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=115

holy crap dude, $4 per ML ?? is it wicked potent?

 

[SOTF420]

Causing a plant to become rootbound can cause you much more problems than potential benefits my friend. I don't think it's good advice to do.

 

[Freedom Fighter]

randdude -- i feel the same way (about all forms of life)

like i've said numerous times ---- the whole point of this project is to produce seed

 

[growclean]

I question why you would attempt to grow them out, when you dont have the season for outdoor maturation, and you dont have a grow room set up for them, I think you said that?
Dont mean to sound cranky LOL The root bound trick will work, done it many times. But with genetics which could be quite rare today make sure you have all your ducks in a row before you even think of germination. Maybe a breeder would be interested in your seeds, and might trade you for fresh genetics. Then if they did sprout their value would not be lost. Anyway please dont take this the wrong way, they are after all your seeds LOL wishing you luck.

This is on the mark. I think the idea of someone with the resources to grow them out receiving them in exchange for some fresh seeds for you is perfect. But like he said, they ain't mine...

 

[Freedom Fighter]

... theres really alot of rewards, personally /socially / overall etc etc

self gratification, + top notch smoke , the fun of growing, potential for hemp breeding,

....i see your point, but i don't think it applies to cannabis lol.