The Time Machine Part I - Oaxaca, 1976

[draco]

Ah, Blackseed, I always wanted that one, if it's good and you make f2s, I'd love to try it.

Hiya Draco, glad to have someone who's smoked the classics watching!

Those ReptiGlo lamps definitely work, I used one in my first little experiment and it definitely upped the taste/smell of the Oaxacan, without the reptile lamp, it just tasted of pine and menthol with a slight hint of fuel, with the reptile lamp, it was like pine needles drizzled with gasoline, just lovely.

good to hear! mine are all within 20 inches of the plants... is that close enough? also i have heard that the reptiglow only last 1 year. so for flowering they would last two years i guess...

i noticed that if the plant was close to the uvb the pistils would turn slightly purple. had to be within 10 in.

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had some mexi bagseed 20 some years ago and i grew them in a phototron. i had to abandon the grow early in flower but i remember being very satisfied with what little i got! ha i just remembered that...

 

[Alex-F]

The bloom is off the rose for growing in Holland Rick, they have had a massive influx of organised crime gangs from Morocco, Turkey, Bulgaria, Poland etc, coming to grow weed, and this has made it very hard for the small-time guy, farms are under scrutiny, any barn is suspicious, 1st Jan they tightened up the sentencing on commercial cultivation, I was lucky to get out at all!

It's actually gotten so bad that more and more commercials are going to Germany. I live relatively close to the border, you hear of big dutch grow ops being busted here like every other week.


Great looking projekt mate, taggin in

 

[elmanito]

Michoacan strains tend to have very slender leaves and a very high calyx-to-leaf ratio as do Guerreran strains, but Oaxacan strains tend to be broader-leafed, often with leafier floral clusters. Oaxacan strains are generally the largest and grow vigorously, while Michoacan strains are smaller and more delicate. Guerreran strains are often short and develop long, upright lower limbs.

Like this one

Description Mexican strains from the book Marijuana Botany RCC

Namaste

 

[indifferent]

good to hear! mine are all within 20 inches of the plants... is that close enough? also i have heard that the reptiglow only last 1 year. so for flowering they would last two years i guess...

i noticed that if the plant was close to the uvb the pistils would turn slightly purple. had to be within 10 in.

had some mexi bagseed 20 some years ago and i grew them in a phototron. i had to abandon the grow early in flower but i remember being very satisfied with what little i got! ha i just remembered that...

I'm afraid I'm not sure about how far away they should be, with a normal CFL you want em as close as possible, but with a UVB one you need to avoid damaging the plants with too much UVA (the bulb's output is mostly UVA, just a wee bit of UVB, and too much UVA causes premature degradation of the trichomes. Trial and error I guess is the best way.

Ah, Mexi bagseed and a phototron, I wonder how many people started out in exactly that way? Probably more than would care to admit it!

It's actually gotten so bad that more and more commercials are going to Germany. I live relatively close to the border, you hear of big dutch grow ops being busted here like every other week.

Great looking projekt mate, taggin in

Guten tag Alex, glad to have you watching, I also heard about that - dutch ops moving to Germany and Belgium, it's so sad how much Holland has changed, some major players I spoke to are of the opinion within a couple of years it will be so bad that shops will start closing, even in Amsterdam.

Like this one

Description Mexican strains from the book Marijuana Botany RCC

Namaste

Great info elmanito, I would love to collect a bunch of Mexicans to learn the traits and differences myself.

 

[indifferent]

Some info from ot1 on the subject of UVB that might be of use to draco:

There are proper Fluorescent UVB(and UVA) tubes available and they're much more expensive than the UVA and the standard ones(4times or more the cost). Never run them on Energy-saver or Econo running gear as that produces less lumen output with any fluro. But be very careful when using the UVB tubes. If not for the slightly glowing tube when they are on, you could hardly tell they were on in the room - they transmit entirely in the invisible wavebands, whereas UVA tubes, MH and HPS transmit low amounts of only in the UVA waveband, which is slightly visible(voilet) and nowhere near as penetrating/powerful as UVB. But expose any skin to them(UVB 40W tubes) from less than 6feet away, and it burns in minutes. Like proper sunburn and worse if closer - can easily promote skinCancer(as does the sun). Can give you cateract in no time at all, even with sunglasses, from even 10feet away and more. IF you intend on using them, make sure that you never walk into the growroom when they are on. Have a swtch for them outside the room, or just inside the door. If just inside the door, turn them on and off immediatly you close or open the door. One 40Wer can cover an area 5foot down, 5foot by 5foot across. So with every 600 or 1000Watter, you have 1 40W UVB Fluro with it, AND '120W Clear Incandescent bulb as well for 1 hour either side of lights on and off - simulating the red ambient light of the outdoors ever dusk and dawn of every day anywhere in the world'. This Incandescent wavelength is as critical as any other. The lightband is required as it aids in the 'benefical' toxification and detoxification the plant needs to complete the activation process fully. Couple all that up and timed correctly indoors with either MH or HPS, and pollenate the mum/s, and you'll be well on your way to producing the most potent buds you can indoors. More potent than any indoors buds grown without all these factors - no matter how sticky and smelly they are. They won't be as potent as the ones you grow using this ENTIRE method.

I'm not sure about trusting ot1's info as he also recommends reading the 'Marijuana Optics' piece by Joe Knuc, and that is a totally flawed and incorrect article.

 

[ptg]

Indifferent do you know those:

The use of a light source that mimics the natural UV content of sunlight has recognised health benefits, and provides birds with a more natural view their surroundings, encouraging natural behaviour and in many cases improved breeding results.



Unlike normal fluorescent lamps, the Arcadia Bird Lamp uses special UV emitting phosphors to replicate the spectral pattern of sunlight with 12% of the total light output emitted as UV-A and 2.4% UV-B.


• Compact lamp designed for use over birdcages in the home
• Produces excellent natural colours and iridescence
• 2.4% UVB and 12% UVA for optimal avian use
• Improves feeding and breeding behaviour
• Compact lamp designed for use over birdcages in the home



Additional features of the compact lamp include:


• Bayonet or screw fitting for ease of use in the home
• Fits straight into household light socket - no need for a ballast
• Electronic - zero flicker, even to the eyes of the bird
• Energy saving 20W lamp
• Output equivalent to 100W incandescent bulb

maybe useful to have good UV content without too much heat( no ballast and almost no heat from the bulb contrary to those for reptiles))...

Edit:hahaha,just seen that those for reptiles are also available in compact...

 

[indifferent]

Interesting lamp, should be quite useful, sounds very similar, if not the same as the 10.0 reptile lamps. BTW the 10.0% figure doesn't mean 10% of the output is UVB, it means the level of UVB it produces is equivalent to 10% of the UV level at sea-level at the equator at noon.

 

[pattyg]

Subscribed, ,great info guys keep it up, cant wait to see these girls

 

[indifferent]

Hi pattyg, sorry to say no girls to show just yet, but I do have a couple of boys.

The two Oaxacans I thought were male are now confirmed as male. They are very indica leaning too, so now I'm sure that they aren't pure Oaxacan, probably they are Bubblicious x Oaxacan as i had a Bubblicious male at the time and dusted some of his pollen onto a Jack Herer, looks like a wee bit strayed onto the Oaxacan.

Shitty camera makes em look a bit unhealthy, like they are yellowing a bit, but they look fine to the naked eye. Both are pretty compact with strong branching, the left hand one has loads of branching and very compact structure, looks a lot like the Bubblicious male.

So now I have to decide whether Oaxacan x Bubblicious is worth making f2s of. The two unsexed ones are very different, one is very sativa looking, the other is very indica looking like the males. Probably I'll toss these males and try to get hold of some more Oaxacan beans.

 

[elmanito]

Great info elmanito, I would love to collect a bunch of Mexicans to learn the traits and differences myself.

No thanks at all, but i have got some more surprises.

Little Acapulco Gold had just sprouted

Namaste

 

[indifferent]

Damn, Acapulco Gold, Black Seed and Astur Mexicana, you got a really nice selection there mate. Looking forward to watching them develop.

 

[indifferent]

Most of the plants have shown sex now, apart from the two Oaxacan indica looking males, there are two Oaxacan females, one big and sativa looking, the other much more compact and indica looking.

The two Jamaicans in coco are both female, one is very stretchy with little branching, the other is more compact and branchy. The mystery volunteer sprout in the same pot as the taller Jamaican is female as well.

I'll get some pics taken in a couple of days.

 

[paulo73]

I love sativas

I love sativas

Wow!
Great project mate
My Leb male told me it would be a pleasure to be a small part of your brilliant show

Peace and Light
and please throw us some pics

 

[indifferent]

Cool man, I got a sexy latino lady here he can get jiggy with.

Mexican x Lebanese, we should call the cross Salma in honour of Ms Hayek as she's of Mexican and Lebanese blood.

Oh, and it's an excuse to post another picture of the lovely Ms Hayek of course! lol

 

[indifferent]

I snapped some pics of the tall pretty Oaxacan female, only 3 weeks old, 12/12 from seed in 1.5 litre pot of coco, showing good health and vigour. She has 11-bladed fans (the one I'm holding to show the size is 11-bladed) and I'm curious to see if she grows 13s next, the leaves are pretty big. With a bit of luck, this one will turn out to be a suitable replacement for my lost Oaxacan cutting. This is the one I shall hit with the Leb dust, have to keep my eye on her for male nanners though as her mum did produce a few.

 

[elmanito]

Damn, Acapulco Gold, Black Seed and Astur Mexicana, you got a really nice selection there mate. Looking forward to watching them develop.

I got some experience with them since i like smoking those Mexicans.Here is another pic of a Mexican sativa from Sensi but they ruined it with the Pakistani strain since it become vulnerable for mold.In the early 90s they had a pure Oaxacan which was great to breed with, but nowadays it is just a shit variety.Big shame.

I will let you know the progression of the Mexican strains i have right now.

Namaste

 

[indifferent]

Thanks Elmanito, please feel free to keep posting pics in this thread, I find your input very valuable.

When I was considering strains to look for suitable males to cross to my Oaxacan cutting I thought of Sensi's Mexican Sativa but I read your report that it was yet another Sensi strain that has become garbage, so I decided to give it a miss.

 

[paulo73]

Salma will be!

 

[indifferent]

I wonder if Ms Hayek would approve? lol

I wouldn't be surprised if she liked a toke.

 

[yesum]

Ah, Blackseed, I always wanted that one, if it's good and you make f2s, I'd love to try it.

Hiya Draco, glad to have someone who's smoked the classics watching!

Those ReptiGlo lamps definitely work, I used one in my first little experiment and it definitely upped the taste/smell of the Oaxacan, without the reptile lamp, it just tasted of pine and menthol with a slight hint of fuel, with the reptile lamp, it was like pine needles drizzled with gasoline, just lovely.

How was the high, different than without uv? I am a little chicken to try it right now. The paki and afghan kush I am growing would likely benefit as these are grown at high altitude, I think?