How do you get "healthy green" in coco

[SuperHemp]

I seem to be unable to get that "healthy green" look in coco. Using canna coco nutes about 1-1.5ml/L, ph 6.0-6.2 both going in and out (runoff). Used a lot of AN nirvana, which is kelp and everything else in one bottle, I've stopped using it to see if it's the culprit. What do you think?

PS: they look healthier in the pics than IRL, as cameras tend to make green look good. These are DP Flo

 

[buddin_904]

more nitrogen??? is that brand new coco.....probably in a week or so they should look better.....give ample run off on the waterings on new coco

 

[cannaboy]

I find that seeds start better in soil but they seem ok just feed to 1.6 at 5.8ph.

 

[SuperHemp]

more nitrogen??? is that brand new coco.....probably in a week or so they should look better.....give ample run off on the waterings on new coco

No, this coco is 2 weeks old i think. I also noticed seeds staring a little slow and crappy in coco, but after 2 weeks they shake it off..

 

[Miss Blunted]

Hmm, we use Ionic with other additives for our coco nutes. We did try H&G out for a little while, but our plants were getting yellow and looked like they were starving.....so we went back to what we knew and things were green in 2 days.

More food maybe..

 

[gaiusmarius]

i guess you could up the nutes a bit, 1 to 1.5 ml will give me an ec of 0.8 to1.0, i would up it a bit to like 1.3 or even 1.4 ec thats about 2ml per lt. i have used the canna cogr veg fert before now too for seedlings in early stages.

 

[Scrogerman]

Try A foliar application Cal-Mag or something similar with a N source in it! Foliar apps are the fastest way to fix up a problem, it hit the root of the problem instantly! Try It and see! just keep the solution on the weaker side, say 300ppms! Good Luck! Btw What the PH of your Run-Off doing , does it drift up or down or is it pretty stable?

 

[SuperHemp]

I have not been logging runoff ph values too much so i really don't know if it drifts alot but it should be fairly stable since i always water with ph 5.8-6.2.. runoff on all plants today was 6.1

Also, today runoff ec was 1.3, and i thought it seemed a little high as I've always run 1.0 with hydro in this low wattage CFL veg/mother cabinet (and 1.3-1.6 in my HPS cabinet), so i gave a little pure water and the last runoff was 1.0 or there about, this was after watering with 1.5ml/L A&B, up until now i've used 1ml/L.

I will try upping the nutes a bit then since it's what all you guys suggest, I am a bit of a pussy with the nutes since i fear overfertilization like the plague, overfert tends to make the smoke horribly harsh and i end up having to make hash and get a low return %

Granted, these are all potential future mothers so experimenting with ferts at this stage sholdn't be a problem.

Also, do you guys water everyday? I've been doing it lately but all the results I got out of it compared to wet/dry cycle so far was slower growth and less perky, lush green plants, maybe it's because watering more often requires more nutes. I'll give it a shot..

Also, I've started using nitric acid rather than AN Nirvana for ph down, there's some nitrogen in there, although i just use a quarter of a drop per litre

 

[RugerBaby]

Floranova gives you that lush green!

 

[snaggy]

What is the lighting?

 

[SuperHemp]

Floranova gives you that lush green!

I only have FloraNova bloom around, but i could try it.


Although I think when Canna markets an entire line of coco stuff you should be able to get good results with it, I paid good money for my two big cans of coco a&b , pk13/14, coco slabs etc so I'm also expecting good results..

Of course, it's the buds that matter. Plants looking 100% healthy in veg might not have a big influence on finished product, but i like 100% happy, healthy plants anyway.

And as a curiousity, i have a mother plant that looks fine, been feed 1ml/L A&B and a little AN nirvana since it was rooted. Only difference is i didn't really wash that coco, just added tap water to slab and used right away.

The Flo's coco was washed throughly with ph'd water. Also, flo's are from seed.

 

[SuperHemp]

What is the lighting?

2x36w cold white and 1x22w warm white CFL. I also have a cab with a 400w HPS but it's too hot for that cab right now, these are just being prevegged to survive outside, I'm going to the USA this sunday, staying 14 days (i have a babysitter for the plants).

When i get back I'll have A/C and hps fully working

 

[hazy]

I only have FloraNova bloom around, but i could try it.


Although I think when Canna markets an entire line of coco stuff you should be able to get good results with it, I paid good money for my two big cans of coco a&b , pk13/14, coco slabs etc so I'm also expecting good results..

Floranova bloom's enough.
Or GH flora series- micro and bloom
or gh maxi bloom
No need for veg nutes in these brands

But I'm sure that Canna nutes will give you great results once you figure out the right levels for your plants.
give them some more. If you see leaves start to twist, then back off a bit. I water every day. The thought of nute concentrations that come from drying out and then rewetting in coco is too much for me to bear. I almost lost everything from doing that once.

 

[Carl Carlson]

I know exactly what you mean by the lack of green. I used to pussyfoot around with low EC during veg too. Up the EC, slowly but surely.

After you washed the coco, did you treat it again, but with nutrified water?

You didn't, right? Therein lies your answer in part. The coco be stealing your nutrient ions dude.

 

[Slimm]

You should watch for Ca and Mg deficiencies in coco too. Coco has a special affinity for these cations.

 

[buddin_904]

correct me if im wrong but isnt canna coco 3-0-3?? so his plants have had no P unless he used a little of the PK1314, which i think he should do if he hasnt!

also something to think about, if you say that coco is 2 weeks old thats pretty fresh IMO, perhaps in these initial 2 weeks the coco has been binding up some of his nutes??

 

[Carl Carlson]

no, of course it has P. Canna A + B is a complete nutrient without the PK 13/14.

coco a is 4-0-1
coco b is 0-4-2

 

[buddin_904]

my mistake...i have a catalog and it had it listed as 303...never used or seen the stuff before....thinking about getting some in the future since so many on here use it

 

[Lowman]

If I was you...I would just add a little more of the canna A. A little extra N ain't gonna hurt at this stage. If the calcium is getting locked up by the coco...it could be binding the N & mag.

 

[Ras Mason]

I always suggest to add a good calcium-magnesium complex to new coco...
Try it, it works wonders.