hi guys i come on here for a bit of advice from you i have taken a load of clones or cutting as some of you may call them i have had them soaking in water for over a week put them in some rooting gel and put them straight into compost but after a few days it looked like they were going to die leaves dropping that type of thing. so i have taken them back out of the compost and are soaking them in water again the seed tray i put them in i think i might have over watered the compost as it was quite heavy could this be the cause also because they dident have any roots i put them to the side of a 125w fluro as i had been advised dont put them directly under the lights any advice please would be great. terrier
clones what am i doing wrong
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I have never soaked clones in water for a week, but I am guessing that is the problem here.
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im still a noob but i have never heard of soaking your clones for 7+ days in H2O.
i wouldnt put clones directly into compost or organic soil b/c it may be too hot and the clones might die. i put clones in organic soil and after a few days i transplanted into Worm Castings b/c they looked really bad and after the transplant they started looking healthy.
heres how i clone...after taking a cutting i scrape the stem like peeling a carrot then i let it soak in a mix of H2O + Superthrive while i take the other cuttings. i then cut the stem @ 45 angle while the stem is under the H2O and then i dip it into the rooting powder then put into WC.
2 days ago i put a cutting in a diy bubble cloner and ill probably use it from now on.
anyway, good luck.
Don't soak them in water at all mate they will take in water through the leaves, cut your clones at a 45 degree angle, dip it in vitamin B1 (clone gel) and plant it into a rapid rooter. Either buy yourself a heated propagator or build one yourself, spray them twice a day. I advise you to have some kind of heat at the roots it's not necessary but I find it speeds things up.
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danimarie193
yeah i dont know who told you to soak the clones in water. that sounds like a bad idea. cut them and dip them in rooting gel and stick in whatever your medium is. for new people i would invest in an ezcloner or something the same.
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danimarie193
i have to say that i have been doing this for about 5 years and i have never heard that. i will not say it is not true becuase i dont know, but i am going to look into it
get some rapid rooters and a humidity dome. thats probably going to help you out a great deal here...heres a good link to cloning for noobs.
http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=46778
read read read
with what youre trying to do, youre going to need more luck on your side than anything.
there are plenty of good cloning threads out there. read!
http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=46778
read read read
with what youre trying to do, youre going to need more luck on your side than anything.
there are plenty of good cloning threads out there. read!
Easy Skanking
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I believe if you leave the cutting in water forever it won't be able to get any oxygen to the stem where the roots would eventually be forming. You could try an aeroponic cloner depending on what you're trying to do. Plenty of good info about that too.
You could also try the link above with Rockwool. I think the key is making sure the heat level is right.
You could also try the link above with Rockwool. I think the key is making sure the heat level is right.
Yep, lots of folks use this process. I did some males this way just for kicks but tossed them after a couple weeks. They had bumps forming and hadn't wilted or turned yellow--another couple weeks and I'm sure I could have planted them.
And obviously, the main disadvantage to this process is that it's slow.
http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=10827
The only time I soak my cuts is while I am making them (15 minutes of so). I alway cut them a bit longer and stick them in a glass of water & EWC tea. When I have the desired number of cuts, I then make the final cut at the prescribed 45 degree angle and stick 'em in soil, and wet gently (not soak) with more water and EWC tea.
haveaNOSday
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Question...Is it frowned upon, if you place a clipping in a roockwool cube, then safely remove it, then transplant it in soil???
reckon
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soaking in water for 7 days= wrong
125watts of light for a cutting=wrong
planting cutting in compost=kinda wrong (unless it's very well aerated and VERY low acidity)
ok you asked what you were doing wrong, simple: too much light
soaking the cutting in water WILL grow roots, in about 48 days (I tried it), but it's not needed for taking cuttings.
freezerboy had it right on the money: there are SOO many different cloning techniques, and combination's of techniques, that ALL work, just not for each person, what works for me, might kill every cut you take, so the trick is to UNDERSTAND whats happening at the plant level, and then use the techniques that work for YOU and your setup.
I use straight rinsed coco coir, clonex gel and solution, a warming mat, and a 23w circline florescent light,..I almost never use the dome (unless it's a skinny stemmed sativa), and I get nearly 100% success rates,.... but my buddy tried this technique and he loses 70% of em, so we made him a bubble cloner,..now he gets roots in 10 days, and almost never loses any.
so trial and error, and READING about others trail and error, will help you decide which method works for you.
125watts of light for a cutting=wrong
planting cutting in compost=kinda wrong (unless it's very well aerated and VERY low acidity)
ok you asked what you were doing wrong, simple: too much light
soaking the cutting in water WILL grow roots, in about 48 days (I tried it), but it's not needed for taking cuttings.
freezerboy had it right on the money: there are SOO many different cloning techniques, and combination's of techniques, that ALL work, just not for each person, what works for me, might kill every cut you take, so the trick is to UNDERSTAND whats happening at the plant level, and then use the techniques that work for YOU and your setup.
I use straight rinsed coco coir, clonex gel and solution, a warming mat, and a 23w circline florescent light,..I almost never use the dome (unless it's a skinny stemmed sativa), and I get nearly 100% success rates,.... but my buddy tried this technique and he loses 70% of em, so we made him a bubble cloner,..now he gets roots in 10 days, and almost never loses any.
so trial and error, and READING about others trail and error, will help you decide which method works for you.
reckon
Member
it would be IF you can safely remove it,...but you can't, so you just stick the cut in the soil, cube and all,...unless your using a 6"x6" cube, there's no problem.
the problem is that when removing the root system from the cube, no matter how careful you are, or how much you cut away, you will tear off a LOT of microscopic root hairs, which WOULD have grown to be major nutrient/water transports later on as the plant grows.
I used to clone in 2"x2" rockwool cubes, and just transplanted them into the 2 gallon nursery pots with moonshine's mix: no problems whatsoever.
haveaNOSday
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well said.
