Getting Maniacal with Organics: Fermented Plant Extracts and Plant Meals

[CannaExists]

Our philosophy here at We Growz Organic Pot Inc. is, that every plant is special, any ol' overlooked, underdog of a plant is welcome here. Diversity is a word often drove into our heads in this here forum, and what we're doin' here is just that. Diverse. And downright maniacal. *Hunches over, looks through camera lens with bloodshot eyes, drools a bit, and takes pictures*

The above photos are my FPE collection, a good half of them being free (foraging is the future), the other half being foods laying around the household. None of these are tested by me... I'm sure Dandelion has been covered before. I'm kinda wary about the Pine Needle brew... theres some stringy blue stuff in there, it looks like dissolved bluejeans. Once again I highly encourage experimentation but being that none of these are tested, I'll tread lightly when applying and so should you. I just found out that Lambsquarters grows in my yard, best BELIEVE I'm gonna FPE that shit. (and eat it myself... it tastes like dang ol... ghettospinach)

And this, my friends, is the first meal I ever made! As in, the first powdered soil amendment, handcrafted by yours truely. Its White Lilac Meal, picked fresh from the beautiful Lilac trees growing in my backyard. Dried in my dehyrator and powdered with mortar n' pestle. Hmmm should I put this in my Veg or Flower mix? (Hint: it's a no brainer)

Alright this is CannaExists, reminding you to make use of the goldmine you're sitting on and make organics as free as possible!

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Great thread and thank you for sharing your work!

 

[NUG-JUG]

I have Lilac bushes surrounding my house. How should I go about making the flowers a FPE? I mean before drying and crushing.

 

[CannaExists]

Thanks for the love CC!

I have Lilac bushes surrounding my house. How should I go about making the flowers a FPE? I mean before drying and crushing.

Easy! To start, something small like Lilacs don't really need to be ground in any way. I used whole Lilacs for the FPE, the dried/ground Lilacs are being used as a soil additive.

Anyway, ya put the whole lilacs in a container of water, top the container with a loosely fitted lid (screw it on tight and your shit could blow up), then let it sit for a week or more. There's more detailed instructions for making FPEs in other threads, such as how much material to use in how much water, and how much to dillute it before you apply to plants. I didn't go by any of these guidelines, I'm just gonna use my gut. Just keep in mind that FPEs are potent, you may be using a teaspoon or less of it in a gallon of water. Read up on it for some ideas and use caution when experimenting.

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

I havent seen the "plant extract" thread before but i hope and wish that members read it carefully, with an open mind and with the consideration of its overall importance to the cannabis grower. The thread is truly brilliant and groundbreaking . I havent been involved in it and havent read it all,so i dont know if the author is aware of the importance of the subject or not, but the potential benefit from plant extacts for the cannabis grower may be earthshattering. The potential benefits may extend far beyond the dinner plate.

An old grower in our area that recently passed away had grown for more than 40 years. He had been working with plant extracts as a deer repellant. All outdoor growers know that store bought deer repellant products, piss, shit and all of the other methods of deer repellant are totally useless and ineffective. He had noticed that deer didnt eat certain plants in our area and wondered if he could fool the deer by making his cannabis plants smell like a plant that they don't eat. He chose several of the species and developed extracts from them. He used neem oil as a suspension vehicle and then sprayed his outdoor plants with the extract. The results were unbelieveable. The deer didnt touch any plant that had been sprayed (wild onlion extract) . Several of the extracts showed promise and the deer clearly believed the plants were a plant they dont eat.

This grower had then moved on to study plants that spidermites avoid and was well on his way to developing a mite resistant extract spray for indoor growers following the same logic- if the mites conclude that cannabis is a plant they avoid, then....

Most importantly, he was working with plant extract from plants that arent succeptable to the onerous, untreatable and always deadly powdery mildew. His initial experiments of coating the cannabis plant with the extract from resistant plants were showing very real results.

The study of plant extracts for cannabis is in its infancy with only the most innovative and ingenious growers working with it, but with the first important breakthrough, the science will become more serious and focused. The potential benefits simply cant be understated and may be the key to the cure for many of the enemies of cannabis.

PUre genius. Hats off to the brave trailblazers doing this work.

 

[jaykush]

i can stand up for the plant extracts. been using them for years now. and its basically all i use along with ACT and a few other homemade things

what are in the jars i see lilac, brown rice, pine needles, sprouts.... id be weary of the pine needle and brown rice.

just to let you know. its best to let the material ferment for a few days to a week or so, then strain the solids out and let the liquid finish fermenting. then use it.

some extracts you can use more than a teaspoon per gallon, it really depends on how strong you make it. sometimes if you make a light extract you can just dilute 1:1 and apply. others need to be diluted 1:50 or more for those really strong batches.

the lilac meal i would mix with some vermicompost and apply as a top dressing.

 

[guest2012y]

Cool stuff Canna.

 

[CannaExists]

Thanks for the love CC! (and this time I mean Capt Cheeze... I just noticed the correlation)

I appreciate your contribution DS Toker, the whole "tricking pests to think their favorite plant is something they dislike" bit was intriguing. I'm thinking I'll need to find out what cats loathe the most (hot peppers?) so my cat doesn't shit in my garden.

what are in the jars i see lilac, brown rice, pine needles, sprouts.... id be weary of the pine needle and brown rice.

They are as follows:

Dandelion
Pine Needle
White Basmati Rice
Kombucha Scoby Chunk
White Lilac
Sprouts (Alfalfa, Amaranth, Fenugreek, Mustard)
Spirulina
Chlorella
Chive
Dead Nettle (aka Archangel)

I'm definitely going to exercise caution with all of these... I always see " a little goes a long way" being said in this forum and I'm just learning this myself, the hard way of course.

 

[Maina]

what is it that you make is it a fert? You say it can be strong why?

 

[jaykush]

what is it that you make is it a fert? You say it can be strong why?

its because after the plants ferment there is a lot of soluble nutrients in the water. too much is the same thing as pouring strong fish emulsion on the plants for example. or even too much of a bottled fert.

They are as follows:

Dandelion
Pine Needle
White Basmati Rice
Kombucha Scoby Chunk
White Lilac
Sprouts (Alfalfa, Amaranth, Fenugreek, Mustard)
Spirulina
Chlorella
Chive
Dead Nettle (aka Archangel)

I'm definitely going to exercise caution with all of these... I always see " a little goes a long way" being said in this forum and I'm just learning this myself, the hard way of course.

i advise caution on the pine needle and basmati rice. have tried them before and never got good results, soft leaved plant matter works much better. and sprouts work real good as well. but i prefer to do them in separate extracts.

and yes less is more, start low and work your way up over time. its easy to add more, its harder to take away once you added too much.

 

[xmobotx]

i m officially experimenting w/ this - w/ 1 batch of flower tea under my belt and about to start applying the alfalfa tea i m currently brewing

i figure mixing ratios of flower tea to alfalfa tea one could approximate like lucas formula and such (though don't see a need for that) but, a higher ratio of alfalfa in veg and a higher ratio of flower in flower?

 

[dune]

Anyone tried white jasmine i found some on my fence.

 

[treewizard]

I could see the value of most of this stuff, but what is it about lilacs that makes them usefull?
Are you after the phosphorus that may be in a large enough concentration to use? I Googled it and searched but didn't see anything.

I bet a FPE of sprouts must be amazing for enzymes! Maybe do it with some nutritional yeast?

Nettles, alfalfa, and comfrey brewed together has quite the kick. The nettles for their minerals not the least being silicon, alfalfa for its growth hormone, and comfrey for its cell proliferant. Then of course more than enough nitrogen.

 

[dune]

Lilac drives away evil where it is planted or strewn. It was originally planted in New England to keep evil from the property. The fresh flowers can be placed in a haunted house to clear it. Peace; Clairvoyance; Divination; Creativity; Happiness; Harmony; Exorcism; Protection: Psychic Awareness; Reincarnation.

 

[InPotiTrust]

Nice thread ya started here CannaExists.....I've done work with Lacto Bacilli<<<great for veg high in N takes about 14 days to make...stinging nettles this i can only make in the summer takes 7 days.... banana,squash,papaya is an enzyme mix i make too sometimes and as jaykush said little a time goes a long way...I started with alittle then i got to the point where i just go heavy most times....

D.S. Toker. MD I remember when said grower was talking about that still on my list to try...Using native wild plants to make sprays for bugs is just a great thing to do.


I want to give common mullein a try,as the leaves and the seeds have been known to produce Rotenone which is a natural pesticide and insecticide and they grow wild all over the place so if i need it i can make it real quick...


I'll keep an eye on this thread...

Stay safe

 

[jaykush]

i just want to put out a word of caution, if your planning on using any random plant you see. PLEASE DO RESEARCH FIRST ON THAT PLANT!!!!! or stick to the known plants that people use and i have been using for years. when you go out on a limb and try some random plant. you could possibly be brewing something hazardous( for example i knew a guy who made FPE out of poison hemlock) told him to toss it asap and dont get any on him, he though it was yarrow. that could have ended up bad.

for those who want to try it out, stick with nettles, yarrow, comfrey, dandelion first, they are true and tried to work and are completely safe for you. and then you can use culinary herbs like lavender, lemon balm, thyme, etc.... when you get a feel for the method. AFTER that you can start experimenting with proper research on local plants you have.

another plant that has potential as a pesticide but also a potential to fuck you up is tansy. bugs dont like it and its also a poison to your body. not all plants are human safe, specially if your using these on food as well as medicinal herbs. so stick to the basic plants or do your research!!!!!!!

 

[GeorgeSmiley]

Really interesting thread, enjoying it,

thanks

Smiley

 

[dune]

Glad you mentioned that Jay, its been the reason i keep going to the local nursery to id my daily foraging. But i try to make my solutions after i make sure its not gonna kill me, then i break it down to how its gonna help in the long run.

 

[treewizard]

So Dune what do you feel the lilac FPE does for your plant? I mean I understand that those are folk traditions surrounding the plant. But as an extract what do you feel it does? Do you feel like those qualities become part of the subjective experience from the Cannabis?

 

[dune]

im more just getting it ready then when i have a good control group and test groups im going to use plain Lc mix 1 then watch for results. Im working my ass off with organic chemistry books i got around so, ill post more on it when i get the areas set up. Till then i just got my kelp me * does dance. And my partners want to kill each other over stupid shit. ahhhh the life in the Dune.

and the folklore post was more of a jokin around. I realize that unless we try new things in new was were never gonna make any large bounds and leaps that humans are capable of creating and harnessing.