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Tories may revive minimum pot sentences!

Kerouac

Member
OTTAWA - The Tories are poised to revive a bill that would impose mandatory-minimum sentences on people convicted of growing small numbers of pot plants.

The Conservative government will re-introduce its drug bill this week in the Senate, as part of its continued re-tabling of tough-on-crime legislation that died when the last Parliament was prorogued.

Justice Minister Rob Nicholson dropped broad hints Sunday that the new legislation would revive a controversial provision — a mandatory six-month sentence for people convicted of growing as few as five pot plants.

The Senate legal and constitutional affairs committee altered the Conservative bill in December raising the minimum-sentence provision to convictions for 200 plants, while preserving a judge's discretion for lesser transgressions.

At the time, Nicholson criticized the Senate and the Liberals for the changes, but the legislative debate ended when Prime Minister Stephen Harper was able to prorogue Parliament. The prime minister stacked the Senate with additional Conservatives to give them a majority in the upper house over the Liberals.

Nicholson said with the Conservatives now in control of the Senate, he expects to get the drug bill passed quickly, as he originally intended it.

"All I'll say is I wasn't impressed by the amendments made in the Senate and again we will be introducing it into the Senate. The bill that we will introduce I'm confident will have a much better chance of passing," Nicholson told The Canadian Press in an interview Sunday.

"They watered down some of the provisions with respect to the penalties. They wanted a separate aboriginal system. And again we want the bill to apply to everybody. And the penalties we were comfortable with."

Nicholson wouldn't give specific details, except to say that, "there will be mandatory-sentencing provisions in the bill."

The December amendments also gave aboriginal convicts an exemption from the minimum-sentence provisions.

The Senate said it wanted to target kingpins and other major players in the drug trade, while giving judges more leeway in dealing with lesser offences.

Many analysts have warned that the Conservatives' tough-on-crime agenda would swell Canadian prisons, and create soaring new costs.

This past week, Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said the federal price tag for legislation that would end two-for-one credit for time served in pre-custody would be at least $2 billion over five years. That was up from his earlier estimate of $90 million over two years.

Toews only gave that estimate after The Canadian Press reported that the cost could be as high as $10 billion over five years for federal and provincial governments.

Nicholson refused to be drawn into any discussion about the potential costs associated with the drug bill.

"What's the cost to victims when violent individuals are out on the street that shouldn't be?" the justice minister asked Sunday.

"It does cost money to incarcerate people and I believe that Canadians have been willing to pay those costs up to this point and they'll continue to do so. If we don't, then Canadians will be further victimized. That's what victims groups tell me all the time."

The Vancouver police department said it was "disturbed" by the amendments made by Liberal senators, saying they would lead to a proliferation of grow-ops with less than 200 plants.

But groups such as the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health told the Senate committee last fall that mandatory-minimum sentences are a bad idea, saying drug dependency is a health issue, not a criminal justice matter.

The group told the committee that mandatory minimums have led to "ballooning" prison populations in the United States, and that several states were now focusing more on drug treatment programs.

The Conservatives have been critical of the Senate in the past for tinkering with legislation that was passed by the House of Commons.

"The bill will continue to focus on drug dealers and organized crime and that was the focus of the bill that I had in the Senate for over six months. This bill will be consistent with that," Nicholson said Sunday.

"It sends out the right message that if you get involved with drug dealing there's going to be serious consequences. It's consistent with what I've been told by law-enforcement agencies and my international counterparts that the people involved in dealing drugs are part of organized crime."

Nicholson said the government also planned this week to reintroduce its auto-theft bill in the Senate and would table a white-collar crime bill in the Commons.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100502/national/tories_justice
 

KharmaGirl

~Resident Puck Bunny~
Veteran
Guess ol Stephen didn't like it when in Ottawa last week the Cheif of Police said he supports decrim and tries not to arrest people.
 
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we are all fucked. the public is just too dumb to NOT let this bill get passed again. its just a matter of time
 
Guess ol Stephen didn't like it when in Ottawa last week the Cheif of Police said he supports decrim and tries not to arrest people.

it doesnt matter they still find willing dumbasses (local langley police chiefs) to say in senate hearings how marijuana is a gateway drug
 

KharmaGirl

~Resident Puck Bunny~
Veteran
The public....not really dumb, that's a broad generalization but there are alot of baby boomers who still believe all drugs are bad and who have been lifelong Conservatives. Kinda hard to change someones mind after 50 years, but I keep hoping more young people will vote. Just not for the Conservatives ;)
 
Well, the real reason why this bill is being reintroduced, and will unfortunately pass, is that it goes hand in hand with the intentions of the government to bring in a US style privately owned prison system. It is truly unfortunate, but not much can be done to prevent it.
 

Kalicokitty

The cat that loves cannabis
Veteran
"It does cost money to incarcerate people and I believe that Canadians have been willing to pay those costs up to this point and they'll continue to do so. If we don't, then Canadians will be further victimized. That's what victims groups tell me all the time."

Further victimized???? Come on, show me these "groups" that have been so "victimized" by growers, bullshit.

Using victims of other crimes to argue for manditory jail time for non voilent, small time growers that hurt no one is a joke.
 

Kerouac

Member
I agree , this will drive the price up per gram causing more people to do bad things.They don't fucking have a clue do they!
 
The re-introduction of bill C15 into the Senate is not a MAY. It's a done deal to pass now that the Conservatives loaded the Senate with Conservative members.

People are wondering where the money is going to come from. Finally!

Canadian voters are so uniformed and sheep like :(
 
I think this bill is more likely to face opposition from the liberals, NDP, etc. this time around. My understanding is that the bill will be reintroduced in its original form directly to the senate, but I thought that the house still had to approve the bill? I could be wrong, and if I am, please correct me.

Implementing legislation that does nothing but bolster organized crime and punish closet growers who produce their own meds is so beyond idiotic that it makes me wonder just how moronic Harper et al are. Reminds me of the gun registry the federal government dreamed up that cost billions and hurt innocent farmers, hunters, etc. Punish the people and reward the criminals. Brilliant.
 

Kerouac

Member
Thats what I'm saying big time dealers are loving this , christ I would if I was one...More risk involved more cash , more violence they haven't got a fucking clue man....there will be alot of 4 plant closets from now on haha.
 
there will be alot of 4 plant closets from now on haha.

Fuck that :D

The bill already received passage by the house of commons. It goes, unamended to the Senate for approval and royal assent.

Growers of Canada...... your fucked if your caught with 5 plants and over. Automatic 6 months.
 

jarff

Member
It,s nothing special as we all knew it was coming eventually...Tories have a majority in the senate and the bill will pass with flying colors.After supporting the Tories for many yrs....my vote is going elsewhere or nowhere.
The stupid shit-heads.
Wonder how long before it will actually be the law....Gotta get as much done before it comes into affect..Big time show outside this yr...Like a squirrel gathering nuts for winter...as usual I,m sick over this BS.
jarff
 

dmt

Active member
Veteran
the gangster growers have to go, honestly. so many gross marijauna millionaires in my region, that would be nothing without pot. they are responsable for carcinagenic herb, trading for coke to u.s., and guns/violent crime/extortion etc. fuck those shiney shirts, id like to see them do a trade or a drive thru like the real world people. slap them with all the time you can, d
 

LeenieBean

Member
I laugh every time I picture Harper talking about "Drug cartels" and violence from marijuana. Prohibition never worked to start with. I only wish my local "marijuana party" representative didn't show up for his debates unwashed, wearing tie die and stoned out of his gourd on television. But even still, that man couldn't have hurt a fly. Big scary cartels. LOL This Isn't Columbia Mr. Harper.
 
Fuck that :D

The bill already received passage by the house of commons. It goes, unamended to the Senate for approval and royal assent.

Growers of Canada...... your fucked if your caught with 5 plants and over. Automatic 6 months.

Are you sure bro? the bill is amended so it has to (im saying it "has to" from a common sense viewpoint) go through the house again, doesnt it? I mean if what u are saying is true, and the bill goes straight to senate b/c it passed in another form before prorogation, harper and nicholson and those fucking dicks could have put in a section about how all 16 year old virgins are reserved to be senator's playthings. u know what i mean?


or are u saying the bill is already in again and passed the house? b/c i never heard it even got reintroduced yet.
 
this is what i got when i searched bill c-15 in recent news:
"On April 16, 2010, the federal government reintroduced Bill C-15 – Nuclear Liability and Compensation Act to amend and replace Canada's existing nuclear liability regime with respect to nuclear incidents. Bill C-15 is in substance identical to numerous other bills that have been introduced by the federal government over the past three years to amend and replace the existing Nuclear Liability Act, each of which has died on the Order Paper with the prorogation of Parliament. The most significant change proposed by these bills is the increase in the maximum liability for operators of nuclear installations for damage resulting from a nuclear incident from $75 million to $650 million (per nuclear installation). This amount would be publicly reviewed at least every five years by the federal government and, if appropriate, could be increased by regulation. Bill C-15 would require the first public review of the maximum liability for operators to be completed within 15 months of Bill C-15 coming into force. The federal government has been attempting to modernize Canada's nuclear liability regime for decades, but earlier attempts have either met with constitutional challenge or died on the Order Paper. Bill C-15 would bring Canada's nuclear liability regime more in line with international standards and is consistent with the Harper government's commitment to modernize Canada's nuclear regulatory framework."


maybe the tories are planning to rename it to something else??
 
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