PLEASE HELP ME DIAGNOSE MY PROBLEMS-ORGANICS, w/pics

[intotheunknown]

hello everybody, i seem to be having some trouble here with my medical garden and im looking for perhaps someone to guide/mentor me through these problems.

heres some background...

when i got these clones they had some major issues, and i cannot even begin to tell you that i even tried to sort them out one by one. from nute burn, overwatering, spider mites, and multiple deficiencies. and i at that point couldnt expect any of you to either. so well i was off to a really bad start. however everything else i think i have pretty dialed in for the most part. and i got major improvement out of them and most of them have almost tripled in size in two weeks, others are slowly growing and i think still working past their previous issues. but major improvement to say the least.

STRAINS- sour diesel, nyc diesel, and golden goat.

LIGHTING- 400w mh air cooled with a 435 cfm fan, with speed control. ventilation is correct as well.

SECRET JARDIN TENT- dr120

TEMPS/HUMIDITY- 75* @ 55-60% RH, night 63-66* 50% rh

MEDIUM- lc's mix (promix hp, EWC, perlite, dolomite lime(mixed exactly as i was told to) 3 qt parts= one cup dolomite lime.

NUTRIENTS- guano tea mix, with bubbled tap water with good amount of foam(made exactly as told to as well in BURNONE'S organics for beginners thread) which includes
peruvian seabird guano
mexican bat
jamaican bat
liquid karma
black strap molasses
maxicrop 1-0-2 and 1-0-4 soluble seaweed
earthworm castings

PH- well i took the advice AND RAN WITH IT, listed in the organics for beginners that PH was not an issue when it came to organics. so i cannot tell you what the ph is of anything besides the tap water, which is 7.5 PH (spent 75 bucks on a ph pen for water anyway) id rather know something than nothing.

when i got them i planted them and watered right away. and after their 3rd watering i gave them a seedling to one month old tea mix( black strap molasses, and earthworm castings) and that did wonders.

and as rec. i did another 2 waterings and on the 3rd i gave them a VEG mix,( peruvian seabird guano, mexican bat, EWC, liquid karma, black strap, and maxicrop 1-0-2 seaweed) but at half strength. (last night a few hours before lights out) i did see some improvements in color and they started to get a little darker green like they should be, instead of the limey green you will see in the pics. however i think the half strength might have been a little too much, the newer growth seems to be curling in a little bit and the tips are slightly yellowing, with some twisting. as they were slightly before. so its hard to tell what is really going on.

and i apologize, things are really confusing to me and im sure to you, because of the condition they were acquired, so its been a big rat fuck mess. so PLEASE can someone help me out???

here are the pics. ill explain above each one. they look a little bright because of the light they really arent that lime green.


Sour Diesel
this one had some spider mite issues and was the healthiest one i got. what does it look like to you?

top close up

this is the sickest one i have its a NYC Diesel
had spider mites, multiple deficiencies and has slightly improved since last night. but is slightly curling.

here is the other sour d
the new tops are limey green and the fans are slightly curling up.

top(the light makes it brighter than it really is, but is still limey green

new growth on sides

this is a small nyc

these are the golden goats which were in HORRIBLE shape, also major improvements (i still have not trimmed all of the old leaves off)

all questions are welcome, and if i didnt cover something please let me know. i thank you for looking, hope to hear some answers soon. this is really stressing me out as i have worked so very hard for this all. thanks!

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

They look fine, I think that you should get some bio bizz grow, they look like they could do with some extra Nitrogen.

 

[intotheunknown]

take a closer look at the tips and coloration in them, also the curling inwards of the new growth (inward cupping) and some of the lower fans leaves are curling slightly upward. they look pretty good, but i do see issues.

 

[etinarcadiaego]

They look fine, I think that you should get some bio bizz grow, they look like they could do with some extra Nitrogen.

I agree, except don't use the Bio-Grow, their Fish-Mix is even better as a nutrient!

If you don't have any, or can't get it soon, give them an EWC (Earthworm Castings) tea. Just mix a handful or 2 of castings into a gallon or so of water, mix for 24 hours (or right away, I've done both) and water - great all-around supplement. Remember that guanos will continue feeding for about 3-4 weeks after use, so try not to over-guano as that can cause issues.

I do agree though, you're plants look pretty healthy. But I have had issues with plants getting really light green, and honestly never had a problem reversing that using both EWC teas, and Bio-Bizz Fish Mix.

Also, plants take time to recover, especially if the started out sick or less than healthy, recovery takes time, days even weeks for the system to return to full functionality, so be patient.

Honestly though, I don't see anything in any of your pics that should be cause for serious concern; those are sizable plants and organics is VERY VERY forgiving.

 

[xmobotx]

have a look at these issues - how does that compare to your early issues?

100 gm oz is right, they don't look too bad

look into manganese, maybe some molasses will help (decide for yourself if it's manganese 1st though) -because; yeah, they do seem to be missing a little N

 

[intotheunknown]

well see the thing is i have been feeding them almost everything that has been recommended.

their very first feeding i fed them the seedling mix of earthworm castings and black strap molasses tea. exactly as it had been rec.

on the 3rd watering after that (last night) i fed them
a mix of-
peruvian seabird guano 10-10-2
mexican bat guano 10-2-1
earthworm castings
black strap molasses
liquid karma
and maxicrop 1-0-2 powdered soluble seaweed (rec 1-0-4 but im waiting on that)

if it helps these teas are directly from Burnone's STICKY Organics for Beginners in the OP its lcs soiless mix, and NUTE RECIPE #3- guano teas and kelp

made into a pretty nicely foamed tea bubbled, and bubbled with a second air stone for at least 24hrs and no more than 30 hrs. with pre bubbled non chlorinated tap water. at 1/2 the recommended dosage to start them off on their veg nutrients.

but to me it looks like i gave them too much instead of not enough... to me the tops and tips look yellow and burned, also they are curling... the pictures may be a little better than they look actually, but they look much better without that mh blasting on them too. so i think its much harder to see in the pics. i will take more so you guys get a better idea of what im talking about.
and yes they look pretty good, but before i fed them, they looked better in some aspects.

 

[etinarcadiaego]

well see the thing is i have been feeding them almost everything that has been recommended.

their very first feeding i fed them the seedling mix of earthworm castings and black strap molasses tea. exactly as it had been rec.

on the 3rd watering after that (last night) i fed them
a mix of-
peruvian seabird guano
mexican bat guano
earthworm castings
black strap molasses
liquid karma
and maxicrop 1-0-2 powdered soluble seaweed (rec 1-0-4 but im waiting on that)

if it helps these teas are directly from Burnone's STICKY Organics for Beginners in the OP its lcs soiless mix, and NUTE RECIPE #3- guano teas and kelp

made into a pretty nicely foamed tea at 1/2 the recommended dosage to start them off on their veg nutrients.
but to me it looks like i gave them too much instead of not enough... to me the tops and tips look yellow and burned, also they are curling... the pictures may be a little better than they look actually, but they look much better without that mh blasting on them too. so i think its much harder to see in the pics. i will take more so you guys get a better idea of what im talking about.
and yes they look pretty good, but before i fed them, they looked better.

Hmm. I agree, that seems like a little much . . . but like you said you mixed it light so hopefully it'll be all well. My plants took about 2-4 days to show signs of recovery (or stress) after a guano tea, as it seems to be a little delayed in it's reaction . . .

I'd switch to plain water only now for a while and see how things develop.

The Fish-Mix I suggested is the only thing I see you didn't include, and yet is the one I'd recommend the most. I've had mixed success with Molasses in veg, and my last grow using Molasses in veg on Serious Seeds AK-47 produced similar discoloration to that which you describe.

Those plants looked developed enough to survive though, I'm confident you'll be alright, but some pics with natural lights (rather than the MH) would be helpful.

 

[xmobotx]

what i am wondering is if you might have some stunted roots from your early issues

obviously if you supply the nutes and it shows the def than look into over-feeding or over-watering (or the roots) or etc

let 'em dry and hope for the best w/ plain water until you're ready to flower (what is your water?)

 

[intotheunknown]

Hmm. I agree, that seems like a little much . . . but like you said you mixed it light so hopefully it'll be all well. My plants took about 2-4 days to show signs of recovery (or stress) after a guano tea, as it seems to be a little delayed in it's reaction . . .

I'd switch to plain water only now for a while and see how things develop.

The Fish-Mix I suggested is the only thing I see you didn't include, and yet is the one I'd recommend the most. I've had mixed success with Molasses in veg, and my last grow using Molasses in veg on Serious Seeds AK-47 produced similar discoloration to that which you describe.

Those plants looked developed enough to survive though, I'm confident you'll be alright, but some pics with natural lights (rather than the MH) would be helpful.

yeah i definitely mixed it light, maybe i should have gone lighter, like a 1/4 strength.

i will most definitely look into the fish mix you recommended. should i just go about my norm and just add it to it? or do i need to replace something with it?

they do look like theyre going to be alright to me too, but alright just isnt good enough for me lol. but well see.

im not a great photographer but i will try some pics in different lighting and see if i can better point things out.

 

[intotheunknown]

what i am wondering is if you might have some stunted roots from your early issues

obviously if you supply the nutes and it shows the def than look into over-feeding or over-watering (or the roots) or etc

let 'em dry and hope for the best w/ plain water until you're ready to flower (what is your water?)

i really dont think i have any stunted roots, if you mean what i think you do. theyre all in #3 containers, and roots are already coming out of the bottom drainage holes...

and theyre all already showing preflowers so i think here soon i will put them in flower.

the water im using is bubbled tap water with a PH of 7.5

 

[intotheunknown]

here is the big sour d in sunlight

the rest are under a 6700k CFL (not so great) but you can see the colors and tips, and also the curling.

 

[etinarcadiaego]

I agree with you, that doesn't look like rootbound to me at all.

To be honest man, those plants look better than ok, better than good, those plants appear to be VERY healthy to me.


See those slightly elevated leaf serrations? My plants do that from time to and it seems to correspond with when I feed them. I'd tell you to add the fish-mix in place of the Molasses, as it contains small amounts of Molasses itself. Those slightly yellowed tips usually indicate your plant has enough nutrients, and that more would be bad and could lead to signs of over-ferting. I get those slightly dead leaf tips all the time but it never progresses or continues.

Honestly man, your plants look very very good to me.

 

[Tr33]

Looking very good.

 

[intotheunknown]

well thank you very much, i do feel slightly better about it now that ive gotten some reassurance. i am trying very hard with this and giving it my 200% as it has been years and years since ive grown.
ive already spent an insane amount of cash and putting all of my time and efforts into it and i really hope it pays off.

i perhaps may think about switching over to distilled water just to be a little bit more so on the safe side as far as the water's ph goes. i was getting a 6 PH reading with it, so i may try it too.

because at a 7.5 ph with tap water is already pretty high, and with the added nutes im sure it skyrockets, so maybe the distilled would give a little better handle on the PH of the total. (whatever that may be) next time ill be sure to check runoffs and right before feeding just to see where im at.

i also need to get a handle on those little bastard ass borgs, i noticed a few again today i thought i had a handle on them. but i guess not. im going to try some neem oil at lights out and unleash another army of ladybugs.

 

[etinarcadiaego]

well thank you very much, i do feel slightly better about it now that ive gotten some reassurance. i am trying very hard with this and giving it my 200% as it has been years and years since ive grown. i almost just about feel like a noob again.
ive already spent an insane amount of cash and putting all of my time and efforts into it and i really hope it pays off.

i perhaps may think about switching over to distilled water just to be a little bit more so on the safe side as far as the water's ph goes. i was getting a 6 PH reading with it, so i may try it too.

because at a 7.5 ph with tap water is already pretty high, and with the added nutes im sure it skyrockets, so maybe the distilled would give a little better handle on the PH of the total. (whatever that may be) next time ill be sure to check runoffs and right before feeding just to see where im at.

I hear you man, but don't worry too much, honestly, your plants really do look outstanding

Distilled water isn't a bad idea, but can be costly over time, you can also analyze your tap water if you think it's an issue. Personally I use water from a creek about 1/2 the time, but it's a spring creek . . . so you know. Oh, and most nutrients are pH 5 or lower, this is intentional and apparently helps them to "keep" longer and stay stable, so generally nutrients will drop the pH of a nutrient solution, rather than raise it.

Great work man, you're going to have some AMAZING plants and buds when you're done

 

[bombadil.360]

imo, there is a slight over-feeding issue... you have a few burnt tips for sure.

good luck getting them in the sweet-zone.

much peace!

 

[JackTheGrower]

If you have a source of clean organic soil.. Something you suspect has living microorganisms you can top dress lightly for a ne population boost.

Other than that many confuse adding nutrients as feeding the plants when they need to be feeding the soil and supporting the soil food web.

Oh and I favor large soil area.

pH is not so much an issue when the soil is living and healthy. It gets rough in small containers when the basic carbon is utilized. I noticed the small container problem with clones this year.

So they look fair.. You have great light? Plenty of air.. I guess you will have budz!

 

[xmobotx]

i really dont think i have any stunted roots, if you mean what i think you do. theyre all in #3 containers, and roots are already coming out of the bottom drainage holes...

and theyre all already showing preflowers so i think here soon i will put them in flower.

the water im using is bubbled tap water with a PH of 7.5

yeah just wondering and might -you know

hell yes flower them out sounds like a good idea

 

[intotheunknown]

update: they seemed to have taken the nutrients quite well actually, i did slightly overfeed them, but within the last few days they have taken off, and shown some great improvements. i appreciate every last person who helped me out with this and gave me some good words of advice. i will keep updating this for the people who might have similar issues, or for those who are interested in how the progress has gone. thanks again everyone.

 

[intotheunknown]

NOW IVE GOT SOME PROBLEMS! PLEASE HELP ME OUT

NOW IVE GOT SOME PROBLEMS! PLEASE HELP ME OUT

UPDATE: well i waited a little bit to see what was going to happen and things have gotten much worse. and i cannot figure out where i went wrong.

i am at this point beyond frustrated and at my wits end with this. and i really need some expert advice here.

so im starting to think this is a PH issue, and im getting some lockouts... from what i have read a lot about this seems to be where i am going wrong.

so please any advice. i really need it at this point.
here are some pictures and you will see what im talking about
all of them seem to be doing kind of the same thing.

growth has slowed way down, im getting yellowing all over the top of the leaves.

brown spots

twisting

some of the leaves are turning a ugly olive type green color

and leaf tips are browning and crumbly.

PLEASE HELP ME OUT, IM AT MY WITS END. I HAVE FOLLOWED DIRECTIONS EXACTLY TO THE T.