CBDs and Sativa vs Indica

[sienna tree]

Hello All,
I am new to this forum and have a couple of questions regarding CBDs and Sativa vs Indica. Forgive me if this has been answered elsewhere. So, from my understanding, sativa is a more uplifting feeling, whereas indica can be more of the heady, go to sleep, in your head feeling (anxiety, etc.) So, would this mean that sativas have more CBDs than indica? Or at least the ratios higher? Has there been research done on this and if so can you help me find it?

Also, when a plant has more CBDs (if the above is not correct), can it still be smoked to get the medicinal effects or is it better in a tincture or food based form?

And finally, would hemp have more CBDs since it's low in THC? Perhaps that is why it would cause headaches when smoked?

So many questions I have. Thanks for reading and helping me out.

 

[notscenerob]

You've the sativa/indica thing down, with indicas being more sedating, usually. It's my understanding though, the indicas are far more likely to have elevated CBD levels. This isn't meant to be a broad statement, but rather the average. This is why indicas are more relaxing.

 

[sienna tree]

I just started reading about CBD's today and from what I am trying to understand is that CBDs are not the ones that make you feel anxiety and the psychosis state. THC would be the constituent that would cause the excess anxiety. So if indicas make me more tired yet also more paranoid and feel more anxiety, then perhaps they have more THC? Forgive me because I always forget which one makes me more tired and paranoid (sativa or indica) and I am thinking it was the indica that makes me fall asleep instantly whereas the sativa makes me laugh more and makes me get off the couch. So by that I am feeling as if sativa may have more CBDs. Now that I have heard about CBDs I want to know all I can and find a strain high in it to experiment with. This is for my own personal knowledge as well as for sharing this with clients.

 

[Leon Brooks]

harborside of oakland has been experimenting with high cbd strains, some sort of true blueberry crossed with something. from what i gather indicas tend to be higher in cbd where as sativas are higher in thc.

thc is the ingredient that would normally make one feel alert and energetic.
cbd on the other hand is the "medicinal" ingredient that makes you feel "numb" and sleepy.

thats just from my understanding

 

[sienna tree]

ok, good to know. it just seems that when I smoke, the ones that make me fall asleep instantly are the ones that make me feel more anxiety and WANT to fall asleep whereas the other makes me laugh more and want to do things. i really can't smoke anymore because i get too paranoid and full of anxiety for the most part. i instantly fall asleep when i smoke anymore. i never used to be like this. so when i heard about CBDs and how the higher the CBDs and less THC the less "stoney" you get, i got excited for it. that is why i am doing a lot of research on this now.

 

[sienna tree]

According to Wikipedia: "CBD alone is not intoxicating but displayed sedative effects in animal tests.[3] Some research, however, indicates that CBD can increase alertness.[4]"

Ok, so this is where I'm getting confused. If indica makes me fall asleep but yet has more CBDs, then how come (according to Wikipedia) CBDs increase alertness. Just trying to figure this out.

 

[Leon Brooks]

All i know is that a really strong sativa can make me feel "uneasy" after a big bong load, where as a really strong indica makes me feel like "a stick of melting butter" after a bong load.

 

[Hammerhead]

The Active Ingredients Of Cannabis
Cannabis products include marijuana, hashish, and hashish oil.

THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol) gets a user high, a larger THC content will produce a stronger high. Without THC you don't get high.

CBD (Cannabidiol) increases some of the effects of THC and decreases other effects of THC. High levels of THC and low levels of CBD contribute to a strong, clear headed, more energetic high.

Cannabis that has a high level of both THC and CBD will produce a strong head-stone that feels almost dreamlike. Cannabis that has low levels of THC and high levels of CBD produces more of a stoned feeling. The mind feels dull and the body feels tired.

CBN (Cannabinol) is produced as THC ages and breaks down, this process is known as oxidization. High levels of CBN tend to make the user feel messed up rather than high.

CBN levels can be kept to a minimum by storing cannabis products in a dark, cool, airtight environment. Marijuana should be dry prior to storage, and may have to be dried again after being stored somewhere that is humid.

THCV (Tetrahydrocannabivarin) is found primarily in strains of African and Asian cannabis. THCV increases the speed and intensity of THC effects, but also causes the high to end sooner. Weed that smells strong (prior to smoking) might indicate a high level of THCV.

CBC (Cannabichromene) is probably not psychoactive in pure form but is thought to interact with THC to enhance the high.

CBL (Cannabicyclol) is a degradative product like CBN. Light converts CBC to CBL.

If you are a grower, you can experiment with different strains of cannabis to produce the various qualities you seek. A medical user looking for something with sleep inducing properties might want to produce a crop that has high levels of CBD.

Another user looking for a more energetic high will want to grow a strain that has high levels of THC and low levels of CBD. In general, Cannabis sativa has lower levels of CBD and higher levels of THC. Cannabis indica has higher amounts of CBD and lower amounts of THC than sativa.

 

[Ty_Kaycha]

...A medical user looking for something with sleep inducing properties might want to produce a crop that has high levels of CBD. ...

Thanks Hammerhead! Myself & one of my patients have been looking for a strain to help with insomnia. Guess I need to start looking for something high in CBD.
Thanks again!

 

[3dDream]

Here's a post from Sam Skunkman..if you don't know who he is just search around...

The idea is that CBD is prob. not in your favorite weed. Doesn't make more sense to worry about the effects and not the chemicals (unless you can actually test for the chemicals)?

Indicas generally have more cbd and cbn, which is what gives you the 'couchlock' stoned buzz. Makes you hungrier and sometimes sleepy. PURE indicas with more than 15% THC are unusual however."

Plants do not produce CBN rather it is a degradation product of THC & CBD. I have many pure Indicas from seeds I brought back from Asia with more then 15% THC.
And I have Indicas with only THC and no CBD and they are still couchlock....

"THC is a huge factor for anyone that smokes and grows cannabis."
"So THC is the biggest factor in potency."

I suggest until you smoke 100% pure THC you can not state this as fact. I have smoked 100% pure THC and what you said is wrong! Ask anyone who has smoked 100% pure THC and you will find they agree that 50-70% THC resin is much better.

BTW You seem to think that Indicas are couchlock from all the CBD in them, yet when CalNORML tested buyers clubs Cannabis they found little to no CBD in the varieties sold. http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/potencystudy.html

I have found the same when I tested all of the High Times Cannabis entries in 3 years of Cannabis cups, very, very, little to no CBD in any of the entries (.1% or less) So where do you find the varieties with CBD?

4Dragons,
"I can promise that if an Indica lover smoked the best Sativa I ever smoked they would say it was the most potent smoke they ever had."

Not true, I have given Original Haze to smokers that prefered Indicas and they did not like them and said that they did not even get very high.
You must remember that Cannabis is a learned experience, this is why so many do not get high the first time they smoke, they are high but they have not learned to recognize it yet. If you prefer Indicas Sativas will not ring your bell, and if you prefer Sativas, Indicas will not ring your bell. I know I don't like Indicas regardless of the potency, it is not my cup of tea.

"So is one type of Marijuana more potent than another? Absolutely!"

Only subjectively, you can't find an Indica that is more potent then an Original Haze to me. To someone else the opposite may be true. And you can not find a single variety that all smokers will agree is most potent. Why not?

-SamS

 

[Ty_Kaycha]

So you're saying basically find a strain that has the effects one likes. Once that is accomplished, get it tested to determine it's chemical composition profile. It would go to reason that strains with similar profiles should have similar effects?

Luckily here in Colorado there is a cannabis testing lab and more & more of the dispensaries are getting their product tested and have the report to show to patients & caregivers.

In short, so much more research needs to be done & documented. I look forward to the day when we can be fairly certain how a strain's effects are going to be on a patient just from it's profile.

 

[3dDream]

Ty_Kaycha - I'm saying if you find something you like it does not matter what's in it. I think it's easy to get distracted by things we don't need to understand. If you found smoke you like and it tested low for CBD would you throw it out? I do like your idea about finding similar profiles, that would be cool. What I don't know is if tolerance buildup is by the plant or by the profile. I like to keep a couple of diff moms around.

 

[Ty_Kaycha]

Ty_Kaycha - I'm saying if you find something you like it does not matter what's in it. I think it's easy to get distracted by things we don't need to understand...

I hear ya there!

If you found smoke you like and it tested low for CBD would you throw it out?

What?!? Are you crazy?!?! Hahaha!

I do like your idea about finding similar profiles, that would be cool. What I don't know is if tolerance buildup is by the plant or by the profile. I like to keep a couple of diff moms around.

Hmmm interesting point. I know a couple of people around here who have been growing a few strains for probably over 20 years now. They still enjoy it. But that's more recreational usage not medicinal. Still if after all those years, it's still giving them a great high, then there's probably not too much tolerance buildup. I know personally it doesn't seem to take as much for me to notice the effects as when I first started waaaayyyy back in the day. Now two tokes, and I'm usually ok. Then again waayyy back in the day, I don't think I was enjoying the potency I do now. It's possible that those 20+ yr growers have gotten better at their grow techniques so their harvests are better and better. I'll have to ask them next I see them if they still try out new methods. I know one told me before that he's been growing the same way since at least '95. He still tries other methods/strains on the side, but his main grow is the same. Don't fix what ain't broke, I guess.

 

[Ty_Kaycha]

sienna tree - I completely apologize for overtaking your thread!
I return it back to you!

 

[bodymind]

great thread... clarification of this area of chemotypery will usher us into a new level of cannabis intimacy and knowledge. i wish i could contribute more to the thread... but you guys are researching circles around me.

 

[damobb]

Im smoking on the high CBD strain True Blueberry X OGKush#5 from haborside, and I cant tell the difference.

 

[sienna tree]

Ty_Kaycha
No problem. Thanks everyone for answering. I completely misunderstood when I heard about CBDs yesterday. I guess I'm still a little confused but I do see some light.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

What I don't know is if tolerance buildup is by the plant or by the profile. I like to keep a couple of diff moms around.

Tolerance is by the profile.... Meaning, if you build up a tolerance quickly to one strain, having different mums of it usually won't help. Granted there are some packs of seeds that throw a HUGE variety of types... we're not talking about this here.

If you build up a tolerance to Skunk#1 in 2 days of regular use.... you can expect to find that same or similar tolerance buildup in any Skunk or Mainly skunk hybrid.

Sour Diesel... Awesome the first 3 days for me... after that I can end up toking triple the amount I started with.... just to beat the tolerance. (Dispensary smoke, haven't had a chance to grow it myself)

C-99 x Princess Diesel is also one that built up a tolerance for me quite quickly. Heh. More of a party smoke, that one is.



Yes, if you're a constant medical user, it would do to have several different strains handy. I have approximately 3 different 'groups' of strains.... Princess Diesel crosses, Hazes and Trainwreck. (ok... so Trainwreck isn't really a "Group" LOL)

Stay Safe!

 

[Godless]

"Cannabidiol - previously believed to be psychoactive, or to contribute to the high by interacting with other cannaboids. The most recent research indicates that CBD has a negligible effect on the high. It is however a strong anti-inflammatory, and may take the edge off some THC effects, such as anxiety. Although a non-psychoactive cannabinoid, CBD appears to be helpful for many medical conditions."

" In 2005, scientists testing CBD, which was considered the main modifier of THC's effects, noticed that it didn't dock at the CB1 receptor site in the brain - where THC locks in and sets off the chemical cascade that results in altered awareness."

Quotes from The Big Book of Buds vol 3.

 

[1973nader]

CBD

CBD

This whole CBD thing has me all screwed up! I did not smoke for over ten years because every time I did it gave me horrible anxiety, but I came down with cronic fatigue and tried a bunch of meds that only made me worse then I read about a few strains that had high CBD that should not get you stoned or give you anxiety so I got a hold of sone pineapple Thai fron herbal solutions in CA 2.7% THC 5.1% CBD and vaped it and freaked the fuck out!!!! HUGE disapointment!!!! Not sure if I should just throw in the towel or try a few more strains?

Hello All,
I am new to this forum and have a couple of questions regarding CBDs and Sativa vs Indica. Forgive me if this has been answered elsewhere. So, from my understanding, sativa is a more uplifting feeling, whereas indica can be more of the heady, go to sleep, in your head feeling (anxiety, etc.) So, would this mean that sativas have more CBDs than indica? Or at least the ratios higher? Has there been research done on this and if so can you help me find it?

Also, when a plant has more CBDs (if the above is not correct), can it still be smoked to get the medicinal effects or is it better in a tincture or food based form?

And finally, would hemp have more CBDs since it's low in THC? Perhaps that is why it would cause headaches when smoked?

So many questions I have. Thanks for reading and helping me out.