is there such a thing as bubbling nutes too much?

[AOD2012]

hey everybody. i have been bubbling my ej nutes the past three weeks, and can definitely notice the difference, and the fact that it stabilizes the ph is great also. i am also about to add some budswel in there. i just wanted to know if having two air stones in there is too much? is it possible to add too much air into the mix? i let it bubble from anywhere to a 2-3 days depending on what the ladies need. thanks for any input people.

 

[High Country]

hey everybody. i have been bubbling my ej nutes the past three weeks, and can definitely notice the difference, and the fact that it stabilizes the ph is great also. i am also about to add some budswel in there. i just wanted to know if having two air stones in there is too much? is it possible to add too much air into the mix? i let it bubble from anywhere to a 2-3 days depending on what the ladies need. thanks for any input people.

I do hydro ebb/flow, SOG style.

The res has 2 air stones turned on 24/7, 365 days of the year.

The more O2 the better I reckon.

 

[Tactical Farmer]

I have read that "extreme bubbleage" damages fungal network development.

 

[High Country]

I have read that "extreme bubbleage" damages fungal network development.

I'm not too sure about that one, where did you read that?

 

[High Country]

My synapses maybe but the fungals, not sure.

 

[Zendo]

i am also about to add some budswel in there. i just wanted to know if having two air stones in there is too much? is it possible to add too much air into the mix?

2 air stones is not too much. Is it possible to have too much air, some say yes, some say no, but you are nowhere near that point, even if you could.

my 2cents, skip the budswel..'Put to sleep' teas may work, but you can look at the ingredients, and make your own that will be many times 'better', and much much cheaper.

Budswel (0-7-0) is a mix of high-phosphorus bat guano, worm castings, and seabird guano.

You could just add a little extra guano and a handful of EWC to your EJ bloom tea, or, since EJ bloom already has bat and bird guano, just add a little more EJ bloom and a handful of EWC.

again, imho..

peace

 

[AOD2012]

thanks everyone. yea zendo im gonna try the budswel, i had bought it a while back and its just been sitting there, a few people i know swear by this stuff, so im just going to peep it out and see how it does. otherwise thanks a lot people. i appreciate the responses

 

[mad librettist]

You are wasting your time. Everything that happens when you bubble will happen in your soil. That's why you keep your soil mix light - you want to have air in there.

Further, when the water and nutes are spread through your medium, all the little gaps mean increases surface, and more chance to react with whatever.

So if you are ready to live on the edge, stop bubbling nutes. You may Even "notice a difference".

 

[Tactical Farmer]

Believe it was from one of those tea researches here that use the microscopes that stated hard bubbles tear the funal networks apart.

 

[Weird Jimmy]

I've heard if you bubble teas for more than a few days that they can start to turn anaerobic.

 

[CT Guy]

Believe it was from one of those tea researches here that use the microscopes that stated hard bubbles tear the funal networks apart.

This bubbles in question were "micro-bubbles," and this statement was originally from Dr. Ingham. I've never seen bubbles that actually damage fungal hyphae, they would have to be quite small.

The bubbling for 3 days is an issue when using compost, not bubbling straight nutes. I don't see an advantage to bubbling nutes (seaweed, humates, fish, etc....), there shouldn't be any biology present, which is the advantage of having a brewing cycle and adding air, to increase the numbers of aerobic microbes in the tea.

 

[AOD2012]

tactical what are hard bubbles? i dont want to seem stupid if its something simple but i literally have no idea what you mean by that haha. yea jimmy i only bubble for two days max, usually just one, i water every other day and usually im too lazy to fill the bubbler up right after i feed the ladies. and mad i actually noticed then plants are a lot better looking since i have been bubbling. when i mix the ej it really lowers my ph a lot, and the bubbling brings it right to where i need it, without needing me to mix anything in to bring it up. so your saying that there is really no benefit to aerating anything? or just the ej products

*edit* im just following what the 3lbs said about bubbling the ej products, and it seems to me the plants have responded very well. the leaves just seem to be a lot healthier looking, and just seem to be a lot perkier then before. haha perkier


yea i know im a loser

 

[High Country]

I guess you have to try and replicate the natural conditions the plant thrives in. Natural earth atmosphere, don't know what the O2 or CO2 levels are.

 

[darwinsbulldog]

from what i've read you can never have too much O2 in your water and chances are when you think you've got too much, it's not enough. water at any specific temperature can only hold a certain amount of O2 anyway so even if you had 50 air stones in a single bucket (providing they fitted haha) the excess air would just leave the water, leaving the water with its maximum dissolved O2. i wouldn't stress too much. nutes on the other hand reacting with excess air i'm not too sure about.

 

[Microbeman]

It is a myth that bubbles break up fungal hyphae unless it is something like a jet stream. There is some video footage here of hyphae surviving more turbulance than bubbles.
http://www.microbeorganics.com/#Does_Microbial_Life_Survive_

 

[mad librettist]

and mad i actually noticed then plants are a lot better looking since i have been bubbling.

you know, when I try something new, I always see a dramatic difference. It takes quite a while for me to remember that it's not so. The story I tell myself is filling in gaps and making me see causality, where there is none.

I am glad your plants are well, but there just isn't a good reason why it would be due to bubbling.


OR...


We are missing something, and bubbling is a good idea with no science to back it up.


but if you ask me, it looks suspiciously like emulating compost tea, assuming that we aerate tea to release "the nutes".

 

[Clackamas Coot]

"Always reach for the Hamilton-Beech" *

* Kudos to audience participation at the usual midnight screening of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show"

The whole 'queen transvestite' deal ala Dr. Frankenfurter

HTH

CC

 

[treefrog]

Hey CC, I want to smoke some of what you're having...

 

[mad librettist]

he's high on his love for his fellow man.

 

[Doobie Nyce]

I think if you were making tea, having it bubbling too violently would slow things down.