Help with 2.5 year old Ogre mother

[kstampy]

So shes about 2 and a half years old and she was gifted to me at about 4 months. She has been super easy to take care of but I think it has been quite a few months since I flushed her. This is the LAST pass of cuttings I am going to take from her to make a bunch of new moms as you can see I have been trimming her for that specific reason. So I flushed her last night and the PH came out 4.3 and I'm feeding her 6.0-6.3. I add 15-30ml (goes up and down depending on what kind of nute burn was showing) of pure blend grow and 2.5-5ml of cal mag per gal and she is usually fine. Just want to hear what you all have to say about it and wonder if you agree that it was probably salt build up from not flushing? This happened in the last 7 days and the last pic I put up there is a pic of 7 days ago. Sorry the pics suck, all I have is an iphone.

 

[kstampy]

To add a little more detail it generally started from the tip and outer edges and inside the margins and spread from there. Light green to yellow to brown to dead.

This mother had literally 10x the foliage before these pics, I just wanted big strong thick clones for the last batch before she got the chop.

I also had a neem bout with mites every 3 days for 2 weeks about 10 days ago but mites and neem have never been an issue in the last couple of years , I do not see how that would be a problem.

 

[Snype]

I can't tell if you are growing in soil or hydro. I'm assuming that it's soil and if it is, I would suggest that you raise your pH to 6.8. You will get a lot more help if you fill out the form in the sticky. Here's the link:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688

 

[kstampy]

Thanks for the reply man, I didn't fill it out cos I thought it would over complicate things lol. I have had her for over 2 years now and I have literally just followed the steps above for the whole time. Other than a couple of mite fights she has never had more than light stress. That's why I only explained what has changed recently.


SOIL:

How long has this problem been going on? 7 days
What STRAIN are you growing? Ogre
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) Clone
What is the age of your plants? 2 years 6 months old
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now? 3 Gal container for about 6 mo.
How Tall are the plants? 6 feet
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? veg
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) 400w hps
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot) 3gal
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) Happy frog
What Nutrient's are you using? Pure blend grow/cal mag/tap water
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* PBP 15-25ml/gal CalMag 2.5-5ml/gal up and down depending on what the plant showed.
How often are you feeding? When the top 3" of the soil dries I wait 1-4 days depending.
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients? NA
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect) water -> PBP -> shake shake shake -> cal mag -> shake shake shaaaaaaake -> Ph adjust.
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?1200-1800 depending.
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? pH4.3
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? HM Digital pen, calibrated
How often are you watering? Same as watering. Has been a few months since I FLUSHED
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? NA
What size bulb are you using? 400w hps
What is the distance to the canopy?2-3 feet
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) 35-60 just the veg room, not very important to keep steady.
What is the canopy temperature? 76-82 in veg room
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) 24 hr light not really a temp change
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) 4" vortex 149 cfm?
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ? runs 24 hrs, doesnt have to do with this.
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? Oscillating on and around from a few feet away on medium. Not the problem have had the fan on her forever
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? no
Is your water HARD or SOFT? hard
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? tap
Are you using water from a water softener? no
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? yes very much so, enough for the last batch of thick cuttings.
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? I was using neem oil every 3 days for 2 weeks about 2 weeks ago but neem has never been a problem and I have been mixing it the way I do for a long time and spraying it the way I do on about 8 diff strains now with no ill effect. Yes it is with lights off.
Are plant's infected with pest's? No.

 

[10k]

Quick question while you're still online kstampy...
Are all the growth tips (the planned cuttings) now looking like the middle picture, or are most still unaffected like in the first and last picture ?

 

[10k]

Without the answer to my question... all I can offer is that it would be imperative to save the gifted genetics before it's too late. Time to get some cuttings off and rooting as soon as possible for use as a future mother plant. It may be a crying shame to lose a sacred mother that was "gifted" by another.

Often times an old ass slow and/or sickly mom can be brought back to vigorous growth by a good old fashioned root pruning ala oltimer1's bonsai mums methods. You'd be surprised how well it works out. click the link for ot1's bonsai methodology
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31919

 

[kstampy]

Hey 10k thanks for getting back to me and sorry but I wasn't online I just left ICmag up accidentally while I went off to work...

To answer your question, since I flushed it two nights ago it seems that it has stopped progressing but then again its only been 2 nights lol. It WAS progressing quite quickly so I think maybe the flush was it. The new growth is looking pretty good, a little light green but that's probably just because of the amount of watering from the flush. I think my ph may have been a bit low as I usually do not check my run off water on her... I mean cmon 2.5 years with little to no problems lol. I DO take much better care of my other mothers though, this was just a single one that acted like a back up copy and or extra clone maker and just happened to go on like that forever because it was so easy.


I can definitely recommend Ogre for all aspects of grow - yield, potency, taste and most of all mite and moulde resistance is probably its strongest traits.

 

[kstampy]

Oh and she is pruned as such because I was planning on taking the last batch of cuttings from her and giving her the chop so I don't need to prune the roots but definitely glad you sent that link my way thanks dude.