CA Marijuana Legalization Initiative to Qualify for Ballot Today

[Hammerhead]

Your being delusional if you think you will be able to go get cannabis from a liquor store. no big pharma is going to touch it as long as it stays illegal federally. What we will see is mom and pop stores with top shelf smoke for anyone. What I hope happens is that everyone starts there own garden. If someone wants to go to the local store to get some schwag good for them.

 

[Neo 420]

I TOTALLY agree with the above I hella don't want it to go legal it would ruin everything I've worked for over the last two years just to make a small amount of money legally and have my meds at all times just so lazy fuckers can go to the liquor store and buy joints like a pack of smokes? FUCK THAT!

With all due respect, that's is some of the most selfish sh!t I have heard all day. (I'm staying civil so please don't flame back) You are putting money flat out over peoples future. Calling people "Lazy Fuckers" because they buy MJ from a mainstream store is a dangerous and bad conception your throwing out there. Growing is a skill. Growing AAA product is a advanced skill. Its not something the average Joe has the skill, resource or time to do. Calling them "lazy Fuckers" is like calling anyone who cant repair their own computer "A Shiftless Moron" Lets please resort away from that type of behavior. Its not going to contribute to a proper discussion (Which it has been)
I am willing to let peoples freedom soar over financial gain.

 

[SickBoyZap]

I fully understand both sides of this. Well name calling ("Lazy Fucks") is not called for, I feel the frustration that people are experiencing. This isn't just a product, IT'S A WAY OF LIFE- A 'CULTURE'!

What I feel is that both sides are right! I wouldn't put 'financial gain' over people's freedom either. But it doesn't have to be one or the other!

If anyone with half a brain applied themselves right now THEY CAN DO ANYTHING UNDER OUR CURRENT LAWS! "THUNDERKLE" Is probably like many I know who have dedicated a great deal of their life to perfecting their art. And, like it or not, The powerful Tobacco industry is putting A HELL OF A LOT OF 'MONEY' OVER MANY GROWERS 'FREEDOM' TO MAKE A LIVING!

As Johnny Lydon (PIL) said: "big business is very wise". We need to beware of who we are getting in bed with! If your fine with the Walmart model of cheap crap pushing out Craftsmen and Artisans, than fine.

Right now Californians consume (as I said above) between $870 million and $ 2 billion worth of medical marijuana per year! That's where Phillip Morris' love comes from!

IT IS AN AMAZING HOMEGROWN INDUSTRY THAT HAS BEEN BUILT BY HARDWORKING GROWERS IN SHEDS, CLOSETS AND BASEMENTS EVERYWHERE! PEOPLE WHO HAVE ENDURED RIDICULE, ISOLATION, 3AM RESERVOIR CHANGES AND MIDNIGHT TRASH DUMPS!

WE BUILT IT!

Again, that's where Phillip Morris' love comes from! Where are the Moonshiners of the 20's and 30's who claimed their product was too 'refined and superior' to be massed produced? WHERE ARE THEY?! They could never have imagined how lucky we are right now! By not being completely legal- the prices remain high enough to provide a living. By applying and using the laws that exist- NOBODY HAS TO GO TO JAIL!!!

Corporate America can't believe that the small grower has the nerve, THE AUDACITY!, to have that $2 Billion going through the common man's hand!

Indeed 'this is NOT a love song'!

 

[Hammerhead]

no big Pharma or tobacco is going to touch this until it is rescheduled or decriminalized on a federal level. This is not going to happen anytime soon.

 

[Thundurkel]

I fully understand both sides of this. Well name calling ("Lazy Fucks") is not called for, I feel the frustration that people are experiencing. This isn't just a product, IT'S A WAY OF LIFE- A 'CULTURE'!

What I feel is that both sides are right! I wouldn't put 'financial gain' over people's freedom either. But it doesn't have to be one or the other!

If anyone with half a brain applied themselves right now THEY CAN DO ANYTHING UNDER OUR CURRENT LAWS! "THUNDERKLE" Is probably like many I know who have dedicated a great deal of their life to perfecting their art. And, like it or not, The powerful Tobacco industry is putting A HELL OF A LOT OF 'MONEY' OVER MANY GROWERS 'FREEDOM' TO MAKE A LIVING!

As Johnny Lydon (PIL) said: "big business is very wise". We need to beware of who we are getting in bed with! If your fine with the Walmart model of cheap crap pushing out Craftsmen and Artisans, than fine.

Right now Californians consume (as I said above) between $870 million and $ 2 billion worth of medical marijuana per year! That's where Phillip Morris' love comes from!

IT IS AN AMAZING HOMEGROWN INDUSTRY THAT HAS BEEN BUILT BY HARDWORKING GROWERS IN SHEDS, CLOSETS AND BASEMENTS EVERYWHERE! PEOPLE WHO HAVE ENDURED RIDICULE, ISOLATION, 3AM RESERVOIR CHANGES AND MIDNIGHT TRASH DUMPS!

WE BUILT IT!

Again, that's where Phillip Morris' love comes from! Where are the Moonshiners of the 20's and 30's who claimed their product was too 'refined and superior' to be massed produced? WHERE ARE THEY?! They could never have imagined how lucky we are right now! By not being completely legal- the prices remain high enough to provide a living. By applying and using the laws that exist- NOBODY HAS TO GO TO JAIL!!!

Corporate America can't believe that the small grower has the nerve, THE AUDACITY!, to have that $2 Billion going through the common man's hand!

Indeed 'this is NOT a love song'!

Couldn't have said it better myself and the only folks that want it legal are those not growing so they can smoke in peace? Yea I HATE to see ANYBODY in jail over this plant but I WILL NOT WATCH MY CULTURE BE TOSSED TO THE SHARKS!!!

 

[SickBoyZap]

They are already 'touching it'! To the tune of millions in political campaign contributions! I don't think big Tobacco is doing this because they just think that Marijuana has got a bad wrap in the past- a sort of righting of the old wrongs.

It's simple. People are already protected. But $2 billion is going through the hands of the small grower. They can't have that.

THEY HAVE COME TO EAT OUR LUNCH!

 

[Hammerhead]

They can not and will not produce any cannabis until the feds are not an issue. As long as it stay Illegal they wont touch it. I have not seen any publications on contributions to move into cali if this passes. I would love to read these if you could provide a link.

 

[Hammerhead]

Couldn't have said it better myself and the only folks that want it legal are those not growing so they can smoke in peace? Yea I HATE to see ANYBODY in jail over this plant but I WILL NOT WATCH MY CULTURE BE TOSSED TO THE SHARKS!!!

I grow and all my friends relatives grow. Your making statement's that are just untrue. I can see that having debate on this with you would lead into flaming.

 

[Hackk]

seriously, you really believe they will keep their greedy hands out until it becomes federally legal?

I have heard (of course rumors) from many sources that acres are already seed ready owned by big tob.

But let me ask you this, do you think that those millionaire attorneys working for the tobacco industry arent working overtime to figure out the proper loop holes? If they can do it, they will. Dont assume they will stay away...

 

[Hammerhead]

Im not assuming anything. It would be bad business on there part if they where to undertake this venture that is illegal. The share holders/board of directors would never go for it. Common sense my friend. The Feds would never allow big grows to happen and for anyone to think they would is just ludacris

 

[Hackk]

Yet somehow they stay alive selling poisonous substances to a country dying from cancer?

Trust me, they have already stuffed enough politicians pockets to grow heroin if they wanted to. Besides, think about this logically... If the need to supply every 7-11 and liquor store in cali with weed becomes a factor, who do you think will supply it? Yeah, Im sure they will find a way to legally cash crop it...

 

[Thundurkel]

Im not assuming anything. It would be bad business on there part if they where to undertake this venture that is illegal. The share holders/board of directors would never go for it. Common sense my friend. The Feds would never allow big grows to happen and for anyone to think they would is just ludacris

LOL you obviously don't get how the government works "Training Day" is some real shit with the "Wisemen" dude you honestly think the folks on Wall Street are afraid to do something illegal? Common sense my friend they do it everyday....

 

[Hammerhead]

The people on wall street are not the federal government. Your own statements prove you have no clue how the gov works. Im sure you believe there's a conspiracy around every corner. Your common sense is obviously different than mine. Your only concerned about yourself.


People like me will supply 7-11 If you want to buy gov weed that will be your choice. All the people I deal with will not be. They will get it from the same people they have been .

I have said what I need to. You wont change your mind neither will I.

 

[Thundurkel]

Think what you will about me but to say I'm selfish is the farthest thing from the truth I've heard all year! I'm a poor grower barely scraping by and give my last dollars to homeless people and give meds to friends in need for free. The fact you want to see it taken from people like me so you can get rich selling it to 7-11 says it all.. I've stated many times I'm worried about folks in the Triangle who don't grow or smoke like my Grandmother who worked for the Federal Government for 15yrs so I know how it works pal. She will be the one to pay when her county goes to shit and that's sad cuz she retired to the forest to be with nature what about people like her? Are they just supposed to move? So big tobacco and the average joe can do business legally? WTF!!!

 

[Hammerhead]

you sale it to dude at least that what you posted in another thread With you hole growing carrier being ruined after 2 years lol. The rest of us have been at it are hole life. You need to get this big tobacco out of your head they don't want anything to do with this until the feds are taken care of. Now you don't have to listen to me witch you wont. I would ask you check other peoples post they also agree with my views on the feds getting involved. They just can not have a commercial grow op where it is illegal to do so.


This is a selfish statment. Does this ring a bell

I TOTALLY agree with the above I hella don't want it to go legal it would ruin everything I've worked for over the last two years just to make a small amount of money legally and have my meds at all times just so lazy fuckers can go to the liquor store and buy joints like a pack of smokes? FUCK THAT!

 

[SickBoyZap]

As if all the people who bought 'Moonshine' are still buying it from their original source. It's not happening buddy. You can get a plain wrap 1.75 Ltr bottle of Vodka for under $10 on sale.

They're gonna throw a scan bar on the whole industry. For christ's sake, everyone is going to flock to the commercial 'corporate' product for novelty's sake alone.

The $2 billion that is currently going to the common man right now is going to vaporize (no pun intended) and the culture is going to die. PRICES ARE GOING TO PLUMMET! As the prices drop, don't expect them to stay there! After the small growers are forced out and corporate America takes over, they are going to rape the average smoker. Can you imagine the taxes, fees, sur taxes, etc., etc.? I bet if you have the nerve to still try to grow your own for market, they are going to have it SOOOO regulated.

Try to come up with your own micro brewery right now. Do you know what kind of licensing and regulation hoops you have to jump through? The lower prices will drive out the street sales and the red tape will protect them on the Commercial level.

There is absolutely NO reason we can't stop this! WE WILL NEVER HAVE IT AS GOOD AS WE HAVE IT NOW! It is Quasi-legal right now! That's the only reason the common man can make a legal living off it right now! YET WE ARE PROTECTED BY LAW! BEEYOOTIFUL!

Peace.

 

[Neo 420]

Im not assuming anything. It would be bad business on there part if they where to undertake this venture that is illegal. The share holders/board of directors would never go for it. Common sense my friend. The Feds would never allow big grows to happen and for anyone to think they would is just ludacris

Big business is not stupid. They can not and will not make a move until it is recognized federally for several reasons. They maybe planning on how to corner the market but they will not break federal law. Its to messy and a quick way for a company to be shut down. That's why they have legal depts.

 

[dagnabit]

^^^^^

so no one in california goes to jail for growing their own smoke now?

not a single arrest?

 

[SickBoyZap]

Not if they have half a brain and avail themselves of the law, nope.

 

[SickBoyZap]

The deep pockets of "Industry" can afford an army of 'suits' to find loopholes that you and I can't even imagine! I never said that it is going to be instantaneously "over" at the stroke of midnight the day the law goes into effect but as you even admit, THEY ARE GOING TO 'CORNER THE MARKET'!

When I think of all the work that I and others have done, in the dark, fighting Powdery Mildew, Fungus Gnats, Root Aphids, Spider Mites, etc. etc.

Cutting through stucco, cleaning with bleach, hydrogen peroxide, and sneaking in my CO2 tank for years just to hand over our entire market So Corporate America can "Walmart" our entire Culture, it makes me want to puke! Why would anyone want to get in bed with those sick sleazy fucks in the Tobacco industry? Makes me scratch my head in disbelief!

WE ALREADY WON-IT'S LEGAL! YOU WILL NEVER HAVE IT AS GOOD AS YOU HAVE IT NOW!