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Neptune's Harvest?
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I can't find Neptune's in my area so use Maxi-Crop. Once a week in the soil and once a week in the foliar. I'll probably stop next week or so as they get into their 6th week of flower. Lots of folks don't like to foliar past a few weeks into flower. I don't mind it nor do my plants.
I'm sure someone else will weigh in.
Thanks for the input Grapeman, Maxi-crop is made from seawead? Neptune's is fish hydroslate(i dont know how to spell it). Do you use the Maxi as your only fert? or is just a supplement?
I'm sure someone has used Neptune's, its one of the recipes listed in the organics for begineers guide.
I'm sure someone has used Neptune's, its one of the recipes listed in the organics for begineers guide.
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hey nad ive been using neptunes since last yeari use the fish and seaweed i think its npk 2-4-1... i doesnt stink at all and doesnt attract pest raccon possom,ect...i believe that u should feed 1 a week or when ever they look hungry..i have used this 4 full cycle veg and flower hope that helps drelow51\50
I use it, but wish I didn't. I have no schedule, but maybe I should.
Its production is part of an unsustainable and destructive commercial fishing fleet in the northeast. Think about it. The neptunes is made from the parts they can't sell for food. Sounds like conservation right?
In reality, it makes it easier for the processors supporting trawlers and gill netters and whoever else to keep operating even if the food market is not providing enough income. most of the fish used are predator species, so each unit of biomass actiually represents way more biomass than that. You know how cow meat is criticized because you could feed a crowd with the biomass it takes to make a steak? Well ramp that up a notch, eliminate the pigs and chickens that provide most meat and consume less, and there you have commercial fishing. It is an all out rape, not of the plentiful biomass we could be consuming, but of the apex and middle predators that balance the sytem (eating tuna is like eating cheetah)
To put it another way: if we killed all the cows, would the environment suffer?
Where we are headed with the oceans is a disaster we can't imagine.
Its production is part of an unsustainable and destructive commercial fishing fleet in the northeast. Think about it. The neptunes is made from the parts they can't sell for food. Sounds like conservation right?
In reality, it makes it easier for the processors supporting trawlers and gill netters and whoever else to keep operating even if the food market is not providing enough income. most of the fish used are predator species, so each unit of biomass actiually represents way more biomass than that. You know how cow meat is criticized because you could feed a crowd with the biomass it takes to make a steak? Well ramp that up a notch, eliminate the pigs and chickens that provide most meat and consume less, and there you have commercial fishing. It is an all out rape, not of the plentiful biomass we could be consuming, but of the apex and middle predators that balance the sytem (eating tuna is like eating cheetah)
To put it another way: if we killed all the cows, would the environment suffer?
Where we are headed with the oceans is a disaster we can't imagine.
I didn't know that tuna tasted like cheetah - I just figured it was probably like most other interesting meats, i.e. they taste like chicken.
I could see a nice cheetah saute with morels and a spicy au jus - with a couple of Corona beers and it would be very 'So-So Cali' wouldn't it?
I think I need a hankie!
CC
I could see a nice cheetah saute with morels and a spicy au jus - with a couple of Corona beers and it would be very 'So-So Cali' wouldn't it?
I think I need a hankie!
CC
Well now you understand what our food preferences from the ocean really look like, and why a tuna eating blowhard telling you how horrible beef is for the planet is so full of shit. Or at least fuller of shit. At least cows eat plant matter. Imagine if each kernel of corn had to be fed with a giant pile more corn, corn eating animals, and the animals that eat those animals?
I recently heard a marine researcher studying global stocks of marine food sources. When asked what can be eaten sustainably from the ocean to help shoppers, she said "nothing". She recommended farm raised tilapia.
Thanks for the love clack. I always look forward to it.
Charlie sez: "I love to get eaten!"
Typical guy, eh? What a pig! Or a cheetah!
Typical guy, eh? What a pig! Or a cheetah!
I should have said lions.
Tuna is at the very top. Cheetahs get eaten by lions (the cubs).
Hey clack, what does that signature line mean?
Tuna is at the very top. Cheetahs get eaten by lions (the cubs).
Hey clack, what does that signature line mean?
Cheetah? Chicken? Gefilte fish?
Cheetah? Chicken? Gefilte fish?
Thank God (or Jehovah for our Hassidic friends) it's not "Cheetah of The Sea"
Cheetah? Chicken? Gefilte fish?
- Jessica Simpson
Thank God (or Jehovah for our Hassidic friends) it's not "Cheetah of The Sea"
Yeah but what does your sig mean?
Btw hassidim do not say Jehovah. The name of god is never spoken, and even referrences to it, like writing god, is avoided. Actually orthodox and some conservative and reformed Jews also write it "g-d". The name of god is often said to ne "Yahweh", but that is adding vowels to a written language that had none.
Let's not let Monty python teach us about other cultures. They were just trying to be funny.
Btw hassidim do not say Jehovah. The name of god is never spoken, and even referrences to it, like writing god, is avoided. Actually orthodox and some conservative and reformed Jews also write it "g-d". The name of god is often said to ne "Yahweh", but that is adding vowels to a written language that had none.
Let's not let Monty python teach us about other cultures. They were just trying to be funny.
My friend always says Ha-Shem and writes YHVH.
Few years back, Catholic Church dropped using Yahweh in services, song psalms
Few years back, Catholic Church dropped using Yahweh in services, song psalms
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Actually, its not the seaweed product that is recommended on the first page that refs different "recipes". (2-3-1 and 2-4-1) It seems a very simple solution, but it doesnt state how often.
mab_lib- I don't think anything is sustainable. Humans are the worst. I will check out the gill net stuff. If true I will not purchase neptunes again.
clack- great link!! Hilarious!
I think it my be worse than gill netting - trawling. like cutting down a forest to catch some deer. Although Mass. does issue gill net permits to this day I believe. Guess what fishermen do with old gill nets? Or what happens if a gill net breaks? Yup, it floats around and just keeps on killing.
Either way, It's probably not hook and line, although in some states that is the rule for stripers.
When I saw the website, I recognized the tone and vocabulary of narrow minded commercial fishermen. Hardly any recreational guys still refer to menhaden as trash fish (the ones that do I call googans). For commercial guys, the ocean has two types of animal: stuff you can sell, and trash.
Here is a little brochure from an association defending trawling. Can you spot the bias? Here, let's look at a quote:
Ah, I see, we don't understand trawling enough to criticize it, but we understand it well enough to defend it. Great use of the precautionary principle there. Only our precaution serves to protect the flow of cash to a few individuals, of course, not the ocean that belongs to us all.
A great book to read on this subject is "striper wars". You will learn how the fishing industry and their powerful friends play political games at your expense (the coastal waters belong to the people), so they can make more and more money as the prices for fish go up due to scarcity caused by overfishing. They rake in the money, you pay for the cleanup later. What a steal! And hey, now they have a place to put their trash. Instead of paying for disposal, they sell you fertilizer and make even more, all the while selling you an eco-friendly image that warms the heart.
Neptune's harvest is produced by Ocean Crest Seafoods Inc. of Gloucester, Mass. is a factory with about 50 employees.
Now you see why I am so conflicted about this product. Hydrolysate could be made sustainable by teaming up with sustainable fish farms. But it won't happen if we don't ask for it with our wallets. If you imagine the problem above the water - excess biomass expressed as overpopulation by top predators (us) powered by protein from the sea - then you must imagine the same problem below water, or rather, the reciprocal inevitable - reduced biomass and underpopulation brought on by the removal of the top predators that are the crucial tip of a biomass pyramid. This site explains it quite well.
So we are bringing complexity upwards, leaving entropy below.
A solid example of ocean crest advocacy driven by greed: the spiny dogfish fight.
Ocean crest's name can be found as a supporter of this initiative. Seems reasonable right? The vicious dogfish is ruining the fishery? Really? Why? Let's look back to soil, or any ecosystem. What happens when you put pressure on the top predators? The next rank down moves up a rank to balance the system. The solution? Kill the dogfish! Oh, and while you're at it, we'll take the meat for hyrdolysate, so we can make money while saving the planet.
Bullshit!
Here is what we need: a moratorium on commercial fishing in the atlantic, with a buyout that is most generous to the smallest players.
Either way, It's probably not hook and line, although in some states that is the rule for stripers.
When I saw the website, I recognized the tone and vocabulary of narrow minded commercial fishermen. Hardly any recreational guys still refer to menhaden as trash fish (the ones that do I call googans). For commercial guys, the ocean has two types of animal: stuff you can sell, and trash.
Here is a little brochure from an association defending trawling. Can you spot the bias? Here, let's look at a quote:
Ah, I see, we don't understand trawling enough to criticize it, but we understand it well enough to defend it. Great use of the precautionary principle there. Only our precaution serves to protect the flow of cash to a few individuals, of course, not the ocean that belongs to us all.
A great book to read on this subject is "striper wars". You will learn how the fishing industry and their powerful friends play political games at your expense (the coastal waters belong to the people), so they can make more and more money as the prices for fish go up due to scarcity caused by overfishing. They rake in the money, you pay for the cleanup later. What a steal! And hey, now they have a place to put their trash. Instead of paying for disposal, they sell you fertilizer and make even more, all the while selling you an eco-friendly image that warms the heart.
Neptune's harvest is produced by Ocean Crest Seafoods Inc. of Gloucester, Mass. is a factory with about 50 employees.
Now you see why I am so conflicted about this product. Hydrolysate could be made sustainable by teaming up with sustainable fish farms. But it won't happen if we don't ask for it with our wallets. If you imagine the problem above the water - excess biomass expressed as overpopulation by top predators (us) powered by protein from the sea - then you must imagine the same problem below water, or rather, the reciprocal inevitable - reduced biomass and underpopulation brought on by the removal of the top predators that are the crucial tip of a biomass pyramid. This site explains it quite well.
So we are bringing complexity upwards, leaving entropy below.
A solid example of ocean crest advocacy driven by greed: the spiny dogfish fight.
Ocean crest's name can be found as a supporter of this initiative. Seems reasonable right? The vicious dogfish is ruining the fishery? Really? Why? Let's look back to soil, or any ecosystem. What happens when you put pressure on the top predators? The next rank down moves up a rank to balance the system. The solution? Kill the dogfish! Oh, and while you're at it, we'll take the meat for hyrdolysate, so we can make money while saving the planet.
Bullshit!
Here is what we need: a moratorium on commercial fishing in the atlantic, with a buyout that is most generous to the smallest players.
Holy smokes Mad...that's some of the most reasonable/humanly responsible stuff I've heard you say. Did you quit smoking?
I use the fish,but honestly,a gallon has lasted me around two months so far. Should I raise goldfish and make my own to feel more environmentally responsible?.....What does a guy do when he finds a superior product that happens to be a by-product of a massive commercial bad trip? Should I stop?....or continue using it at the rate I do? Where is my handy-dandy quick and easy replacement? Alfalfa meal...etc,etc...Shit I dunno there are choices. How fanatical should we be comfortable being?
