Mcveigh Tapes

[MarquisBlack]

Expect another Oklahoma-style event soon. The media tends to hype these things before-hand. We've had nothing but militia/Tea Party propaganda in the news for the past year now.

If something catastrophic happens, then the media runs with it, demonizing the perp. These cases are usually genuine. However, when the media starts gushing about the perp BEFORE the crime, you know something's up. (Osama w/9-11...)

I'd also like to point out that the Skull and Bones society originated in Germany. Our country has a Nazi back-bone and it's becoming all-too apparent these days.

Edit: Did you know that McVeigh (in 2001) was the first person to be put to death by the Federal Government since 1963? Interesting when you consider his motive to begin with..

 

[Euphrates]

"Throughout the Bush family's decades of public life, the American press has gone out of its way to overlook one historical fact – that through Union Banking Corporation (UBC), Prescott Bush, and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, along with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, financed Adolf Hitler before and during World War II". "It was first reported in 1994 by John Loftus and Mark Aarons in The Secret War Against the Jews": How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People.

http://clamormagazine.org/issues/14/feature3.php

 

[SpasticGramps]

Another question. Why were the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building security tapes edited when they came back from the FBI? Two minutes before the blast they turn off. Not just one camera, but all the camera's (4) that were recording. That smells like shit to me.

The FBI said the tapes where all being changed at the exact time of the attack. That is what I call conspiracy.

Huffington Post Article about it HERE.

 

[SpasticGramps]

uh...can we get a source for this pic...or maybe it was supposed to be ironic or something?

I can't attest to the validity of the photo, but it's definitely not irony IMO but rather valid comparison.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Oklahoma Congressman Charles Key believed that the government had advanced notice of the bombing and was eventually demonized and voted out of office.

CNN Story

A Letter From former Rep. Charles Key about the BS "official" story.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

i think the hutaree militia raids are a false flag attack by the feds. they are trying to send a warning to other militia groups that they are gonnna raid them one by one if they try to fight.

there will be no organized mass revolution. it will just be the feds raiding militias one by one.

 

[SpasticGramps]

The are going to brand the Tea Party and other patriots calling out the Fascist Establishment as terrorists, as they are already doing. The same game they use to create the Islamic threat will be used to crush patriots at home.

They will run another major false flag operation and kill a bunch of people and blame it on anti-government dissent and have some lame ass cover story full of holes that hopefully people will have removed their head's far enough from their rectum to see through. It will be another "lone wolf" patsy fall guy.

That's how they squashed the rising dissent in the 1995 and that's what they will try and do again. They are really ramping up and pumping the washed masses with fear at the moment so I doubt that it's too far off.

Dissent has no place in Fascist USA and we are fools to think the criminals that run this country won't strike again to illicit sympathy for the Federal Government. These are the games of war that the big boys play with the little pawns.

 

[jd4083]

You keep saying "Fascist" in regards to our government. Can you give me, say, 5 reasons why that word applies to the US? I don't think you understand the meaning of it and you seem to be using it as a buzzword trigger for an emotional argument rather than an intellectual one...

 

[SpasticGramps]

You keep saying "Fascist" in regards to our government. Can you give me, say, 5 reasons why that word applies to the US? I don't think you understand the meaning of it and you seem to be using it as a buzzword trigger for an emotional argument rather than an intellectual one...

Oh boy, I'm going to reserve this spot for my answer and we shall see who the political science intellectual is in a bit. I don't have time to get it all out right now.

It's hard to explain it to someone who has been fed American Exceptionalism propaganda their whole lives though. I was educated overseas so my perspective is decidedly international although I'm an American.

I'll tell you this Republic, Constitution, and Democracy are the buzz words these days. More later.

 

[jd4083]

Oh boy, I'm going to reserve this spot for my answer and we shall see who the political science intellectual is in a bit. I don't have time to get it all out right now.

It's hard to explain it to someone who has been fed American Exceptionalism propaganda their whole lives though. I was educated overseas so my perspective is decidedly international although I'm an American.

I'll tell you this Republic, Constitution, and Democracy are the buzz words these days. More later.

Fair enough, but I have to say that I take a bit of offense to your suggestion that I'm a "poli-sci intellectual" (sounds like a euphemism for "pseudo-intellectual"), and I'm also a bit bothered by your assumption that I am a product of blithe and unquestioning adherence to propaganda rather than a free thinker as you seem to consider yourself to be.

Can't wait to read your reply.

 

[LovableHuggable]

You have a constitutional republic on paper. Reality is much different. Wiki says, "Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives; values; and systems such as the political system and the economy." It ain't too far from the truth. Big money and big groups get their say in gov. You do not. This I have learned from the online poker world and our efforts and lobbying through PPA to get it regulated.

I never believed this in school however becoming part of a process to have a say in our gov has changed me.

 

[MarquisBlack]

Corporatism = Fascism, plain and simple.

 

[SpasticGramps]

My piece of paper says political science on it. That's all I was saying. I hope I can live up to it now lol. I'm not saying you aren't a free thinker. I consider myself one, but I also had an unquestioning adherence to propaganda. If you put it into the perspective that this Military Industrial Complex and Corporate owned world we live in has been growing since WWI. It's easier to understand it's power.

fascism Merriam Webster

Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>

The genius of American Fascism it's that it's been so Progressive and that the powers that be have created a false/left right paradigm such that the dictatorship can be hidden. One dictator gives the population too much to focus on, but divide and conquer, right?

Having two sides divides the people and allows for power consolidation behind the scenes. Consolidation is the key word for Fascism. All of the resources belong to the state and a select few elites.

A key component to any fascist or totalitarian regime is a central bank. We have the FED which is made of Wall Street, mainly Goldman Sachs at that. The have no regulators and encourage fraud. Criminals that steal. They create the booms and busts and control monetary policy by printing money out of thin air (fiat currency).

Woodrow Wilson created the FED in 1913 and later had this to say.

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation,therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

The government, which was designed for the people, has got into the hands of the bosses and their employers, the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy.

He is saying this in 1916 mind you. The party was just getting started. That's how these people think. It's a big party to them lol.

The first major consolidation came in the Great Depression. In 1929 the illusion of prosperity came crashing down because of the Criminal Wall Street and other socio-economic issues.

The second is happening right now. Everyone is up to their eyeballs in credit with little savings. Our industrial base is totally gone now. We export nuclear technology, arms, and scrap metal to be sold back to us. Those are our top three exports. Yet, Wall Street is pulling down huge profits. Wall Street and the Banks have officially consolidated too and thanks to the supreme court ruling Corporations are allowed to give directly to candidates.

When elite monopolies of power can legally control elections because the wealth is so consolidated everyone else is outside looking in. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and the reason American society is such a disaster right now is because so few people control so much.

Journalistic integrity is absolutely dead which by implication alone suggests a propaganda machine. Even NBC is owned by GE (top ten military contractor. They sell war on TV by embedding journalist. Foxs News is nothing more than thinly veiled Neo-Con propaganda. When the corporate state owns the media you live in what history will call a dictatorship. We just don't have a central figure to yell at. That's the genius of it. We yell at each other.

Even President Eisenhower warned in his farewell address of the dangers of the Military Industrial Complex, in 1961 mind you (the party was really getting cranked up by then).

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction...

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry (read money) is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.

We are perpetually at War with other countries. Our lives are war and terror on TV. This is a country filled with hate. That's what Fascism looks like. But they are really just moving into the tyranny stage of things by stripping away freedoms and making us hate each other more.

Sorry it's long and vague. I'm stoned. I have more evidence but that's the gist of it.

 

[LovableHuggable]

control monetary policy by printing money out of thin air (fiat currency)

It's not done out of thin air. It's done by debt which you will pay or not if you listen to Cheney, Mr. Deficits don't matter. It's much worse than out of thin air. It's loaned into existence.

Here is a better way of doing things. They sort of say gov should be able to print at will without enslaving the nation in debt. http://www.swarmusa.com/vb4/

Edit: I encourage you all to watch The Secret of Oz.

 

[LovableHuggable]

http://www.swarmusa.com/vb4/content...re-on-THE-Most-Important-Chart-of-the-CENTURY

 

[SpasticGramps]

It's not done out of thin air. It's done by debt which you will pay or not if you listen to Cheney, Mr. Deficits don't matter. It's much worse than out of thin air. It's loaned into existence.

You make a very good point. It's debt on the back of the tax payer.

Us and our children's labor to the corporate state is how it will be paid.

 

[LovableHuggable]

They gave us the illusion of freedom while enslaving us although now there is so much bad debt out there that will not go away b/c of the TARP and mark to fantasy that they may have went too far and destroyed it all. There are some very good financial blogs out there like market ticker and calculated risk and mesh shedlock and zero hedge that have been chronicling this crap for awhile now. I made the mistake of trying to get into finance and trading and boy did I get a rude awakening. So much fraud and corruption out there it will never be policed. They are trying to go after Goldman though finally. Assholes sell you a product in one room telling you how great it is while shorting the shit out of it in the next and laughing all the way.

 

[Frozenguy]

The real revolution wont be televised people!! Look out your windows!!

 

[SpasticGramps]

http://www.swarmusa.com/vb4/content...re-on-THE-Most-Important-Chart-of-the-CENTURY

Great read. I certainly agree that Keynesianism, neo-economics, if you will, is the undercurrent for the corporate dictatorship of today.

The FED is sold to us as the "public sector" but yet it is made up of nothing but old Goldman Sachs and some other Wall street people. Even CNN did a piece on the revolving Goldman Sachs door. That's called corruption. Neoptism would be the Bush family. Add it all up and you have a big bowl of Fascism.

We are told the "public sector" is regulating things, but given the preponderance of evidence one would be foolish to make that assumption IMO.

 

[SpasticGramps]

They are trying to go after Goldman though finally. Assholes sell you a product in one room telling you how great it is while shorting the shit out of it in the next and laughing all the way.

I reckon Goldman gets a slap on the wrist and this is all a dog and pony show. The are throwing up this "Faboulous Fab" French guy up as a patsy. Slap on the wrist, large (to us) fine, and some good negative play in the media.

Maybe it won't go away this time though. Maybe enough people are will start seeing through the BS.