Thanks for the advice dude. Clones are 7 days old now and seem to be rooting alright. I cant see any roots coming out of the bottom of the rockwool yet, but i can lift up the blocks by the clone stem, so theyre holding onto it good.Alot of them have purple stems though. Stems are also pretty stiff. Anyone know what this means?
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Thanks for the advice dude. Clones are 7 days old now and seem to be rooting alright. I cant see any roots coming out of the bottom of the rockwool yet, but i can lift up the blocks by the clone stem, so theyre holding onto it good.Alot of them have purple stems though. Stems are also pretty stiff. Anyone know what this means?
Purple stems for me means they are alive and well. The roots are starting to uptake moisture. At this stage I feed with a seaweed solution or weak nutes, say .5 EC.
Don't tug on them to much or you'll break the roots.
It sounds like that is a hydro nute. If you don't have an EC meter read the instructions and there may be a recipe for a weak solution. I would recommend getting an EC meter if possible.
Nutrient burn looks terrible and really gives the plants a hard time, especially when young.
That's why I prefer to give the clones organic food, less chance of burning them. After 14 days they usually have a strong root system and can go into the hydro.
The Seasol I use is mixed at 20ml/9 litres of water.
Never had nute burn with it.
Frankie Pebbles
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Frankie hits on an important point. Never surrender your method unless you've found something better. Do it your way when you need clones, try the new way(s) on the side. I didn't trash the dome cold turkey (though in retrospect, it would've been faster). Many experiments were made.
That said, I still feel the need for a dome is from training and excess plant material.
24 hours is plenty of time for a cut to become dependent on dangerous RH levels. It's only a day to you, to the cut, it's spent it's entire life in the tropics during monsoon season and suddenly... Death Valley at high noon. I'd fall over too. Using cuts around 3" with half or more buried, mine are simply to short to fall over.
I had incentive to lose the dome, you may not. I had a 100% success rate with rooting but, routinely lost 60% + from dome weaning. If the dome helps and you wean better than I, screw me. Remember, my bubbler only works if I do it "wrong." Mix and match till it works for you.
I do have superthrive, i watered the cubes earlier today with 2 drops/gal. the cuts are on day 8 now and most are doing alright. One never recovered from the droop situation. They've been domeless for the last 3 days. Still waiting for roots to start coming out of the cubes, then ill put them in some soil.
Frankie Pebbles
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I have never used superthrive and I'm close to a 100% strike rate cos I need it for SOG.
Take clone, trim, Clonex, Jiffy pellet, bottom heat, mist once, dome on for 5 days, take off, 14 days I have roots.
I really can't understand why people have so much trouble cloning.
Keep it simple, we are dealing with a living organism, sometimes they don't co-operate.
Take clone, trim, Clonex, Jiffy pellet, bottom heat, mist once, dome on for 5 days, take off, 14 days I have roots.
I really can't understand why people have so much trouble cloning.
Keep it simple, we are dealing with a living organism, sometimes they don't co-operate.
Frankie Pebbles
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i use a ~20w cfl, blue or red, both work fine. you dont have to use a dome, but it does help. if you do use a dome, dont remove it, as mentioned by someone above, they will wilt and it can kill them, because they were acclimatised to the dome.
ridingsolo
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Funny story... I decided to try something crazy. I have a plant that was ill and turned out to be male, so what better plant to cut up for an experiment and not worry? I took 10 cuttings. Then I filled 10 jiffy pots with pro mix. I poked holes and poured an unhealthy ammount of rooting powder in each. Then I prepared the cuttings dipped them in the powder and planted. No dome. Nothing fancy. I kept them all in the bottom of my veg area where there wasn't much light, and certainly no direct light. I watered them as needed daily. Within 2 days all of the cuttings looked healthier than the original plant. After 2 weeks... 80% success rate, with the remaining 2 still healthy and on their way to rooting. Then I threw them all away. It's amazing what a lack of patience can bring about! haha
Dojo
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I answered a very similar question in another thread a couple days ago, so I'm just going to c&p it...
This IS a VERY controversial topic as the old school conventional cloning belief system was always close up and brightly lighted.
Fact is though, that cuttings root much better if they're not burning up precious energy trying to do photosynthesis now when they're much better off devoting their energy to making a root system.
I find they do much better a foot or two away from an ordinary fluorescent light fixture such as a single tube 20watt 2 foot long fluorescent fixture hanging a foot above the standard 10x20 rooting tray or aero cloner tub device (such as "Cheapo-Aero" heh heh)
Any closer to the lighting or more intense lighting will just promote poor rooting results as the cuttings will start yellowing off the leafs starting from bottom up, as the cuttings are forced to translocate available mobile nutrient from their limited foliage in a pointless effort to cope with photosynthesis without a viable root system.
hth,
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c&p from...
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=170777
Lets say "enough light for the clones as they root". Once rooted they should go immediately under the big lamp to avoid stress from stretching out. Plants don't know much but, they know where the good light is and will hurt themselves trying to find it.
I think what Dojo is looking for is clone stasis. Clones are cut and refrigerated for weeks at a time. They can then be removed for later rooting.
