World's First Vertical LED Grow Light: Pre-Ordering Now Available!

[Broccoli Head]

No thanks on that info....Google, 6 years of college and 15 years of indoor growing is all I need...3 watt lights grow better weed.

 

[MeanBean]

No thanks on that info....Google, 6 years of college and 15 years of indoor growing is all I need...3 watt lights grow better weed.

OK! Good luck, Be sure to post your results when you get started!! Welcome to Icmag, Can't wait to see what "6 years of college and 15 years of growing" gets ya these days!!

Keep us posted!!!!

 

[Anti]

If I were going to market a product as equivalent to (or better than) a product that is a known benchmark standard, it would take me about 10 seconds to realize that I had better have some evidence to back it up.

The seller here is giving us numbers in plain text. I'm shocked that she doesn't have images, graphics and sales literature already in her album, ready to post. I certainly would.

And I have to agree with many of the posters here that I am off put by a vendor having so little respect for the community. The company may pay to advertise here, but that advertising would be worthless (and costly) if not for the fact that a large, faceless majority frequents this site.

If everybody but vendors and donors dropped off this site tomorrow... imagine what it'd be like. I'm sure it'd be completely buddy buddy [this is sarcasm, btw] and very, very quiet.

If I could get 1ft LED panels and use as many as needed and they didn't cost much, I'd build a whole room where every square inch of the surface area was covered in LED light.

In that respect, I look to threads like this to provide proof that such possibilities are right around the corner. Having read this entire 7 page argument/diatribe/censorship debate, I find nothing to suggest that my high hopes for LEDs are anywhere near coming true.

(And this is from a CFL micro grower.)

I will say that while I agree with almost everything SmokinErb had to say, I think he did take it a little too far. But many of us have seen the OP and others do the same in previous threads.

I am not privy to the private messages that may have been exchanged between ops and users, so it is possible that Erb was not banned simply for what he said in this thread, but because he refused to comply with a reasonable request made by an unappreciated mod.

I can't wait for the day when I can build a 3ftx3ftx3ft cube (or bigger) that rivals the sun.

 

[turbolaser4528]

this thread is worthless without pictures, and documented grows illustrating the yield/growth potential of said lights. peace

 

[MeanBean]

Life is short. Don't wait.

 

[MeanBean]

this thread is worthless without pictures, and documented grows illustrating the yield/growth potential of said lights. peace

Ummm?, this is a Protoype thread, the light has not been produced yet. Asking for pic and grow reports now is just not possible. it will take a few months after it's produced to get a grow journal on the unit.

 

[l33t]

Hey MeanBean

thanks for the reply n for sharing your view. I m not here to bash LEDs as I do not deny their advantages and potential.

Now everyone has his own personal opinion and standards and I hear and respect your opinion , in this case on the fairness of the marketing , and allow me to have a different opinion than you.

I do not doubt that the small LED units like the 126W LED growlight from LEDGirl will produce the results that LEDGirl claims, afterall there are comparison tests that show that this light does work well and can match and even outperform HPS lights of even ~double wattage, just like LEDGirl promises.Hope I m clear about that.
Where I do disagree and have doubts is on the performance of the 318W LED light which is advertised by LEDGirl in her site as being able to match the yields of 1k HPS light . Hope this is clear too.
Noone has seen comparison grows with 318W LED growlight VS 1k HPS , her claims are not backed up with any proof in practice..

" But yes you may need to adjust your garden to maximize led efficiency, just as you have done so to your hps setup for the past X years!!"

Wait a minute..HPS lights come in all sorts of wattage from 75watts to 1000watts and thus they enable the indoor grower to grow from tiny plants to even huge 8+ft trees. So the grower is not really limited by the HPS lighting systems in that he can chose between different wattage HPS lights to suit his growing style be it a tiny plant SOG or huge Tree growing style. And the HPS lights work great with all the different styles of growing..as seen in practice.
But LEDs do limit the grower and no matter how much much LED wattage you use there will always be less penetration compared to what high wattage HPS light/s can achieve. With LEDs (if you care for great results) you are always limited to have a quite shallow canopy. Thats a fact. Shallow canopy is problematic esp with plants with airy structure that need to take up a lot of space.

HPS lights differ a lot with LEDs as in the case of LEDs when you want to make a light with higher wattage you are basically limited to one option , using more low wattage LEDs/light sources placed next to each other. With HPS from the 75W to the 1kw light , you are using a single , light source , the higher the wattage the more powerful this single light source is and the better the penetration. So with HPS you are not increasing the number of the (individual) light sources but make a single bigger stronger light source while with LEDs you basically just add more low wattage LEDs and thats where the 'problems' begin..limited penetration. So while with HPS you can grow pretty much plants of any size you like and still get great results...with LEDs you can't and are really limited if you want to make the best out of them and get comparable results to those of HPS. LEDs are great..but only for what they are and are far from suitable for most indoor gardeners.This is not a thread on LED vs HPS so I ll stop here but just wanted to comment on your quoted reply.

I would love to hear LEDGirls input on the comments and Qs I posted on her LEDs , I hope she does chime in and respond.

EDIT:

Ummm?, this is a Protoype thread, the light has not been produced yet. Asking for pic and grow reports now is just not possible. it will take a few months after it's produced to get a grow journal on the unit.

So they are selling untested products and make claims without actual experience with the unit and expect people to become lab rats and become the first to test these units by preordering ??

Why not send out units for free to be tested out by independent growers to prove the cos claims are right , or at least test them for themselves and post the results before asking for people to buy these new units..

 

[Anti]

Life is short. Don't wait.

You wanna loan me the large chunk of cash I would need to bankroll this operation?

Even to get one panel to replace what I'm doing with CFLs would be more than double the initial cost that could only be made up far down the field.

If I'm wrong, I'd love to see it.

Rep to those with evidence.

If the manufacturer has real data to back up their claims... shouldn't there be some kind of photographic record of it? It could be tomatoes for all I care. Show us the 4x4 room with the 1000w HPS pic right next to the 2x4 with this thing and let the images speak for themselves.

The only reasonable reason that I can think of for a company NOT to provide such examples is because they don't exist.

Even Slimfast can find some injured athletes and give them Slimfast while they return to their pre-injury workout routines and then get some before and after pics.

The upside-down tomato pot at walmart has pics.... that's all I'm saying.

 

[MeanBean]

Well I33t, we agree on more that I thought. However if you really wanted to grow a taller canopy, you could go 30 degree lenses or potentially even more, however the trusty Scrog has shown, a shorter canopy tends to be more productive. With led's were not trying to mimmick hps every move, they try to stay away from the bad points and stay efficient.

I think that in any vs situation watt per watt, LED'S Can disperse light More evenly over a canopy than any one source light unit ya know??

Anti. There's allot of toys I wanna play with that I cant $$$. It sucks I know, but that doesn't make me hate them!!!

 

[dybert]

Ummm?, this is a Protoype thread, the light has not been produced yet. Asking for pic and grow reports now is just not possible. it will take a few months after it's produced to get a grow journal on the unit.

No, this is not a prototype thread. This is a PRE-ORDER thread. I sure as hell would like to see an already existing prototype before I PRE-ORDER something.

 

[MeanBean]

No, this is not a prototype thread. This is a PRE-ORDER thread. I sure as hell would like to see an already existing prototype before I PRE-ORDER something.

OK Pre-Order thread. Dybert, I suggest waiting until the units are in production before placing your order then

 

[Anti]

Anti. There's allot of toys I wanna play with that I cant $$$. It sucks I know, but that doesn't make me hate them!!!

Please quote me having expressed hatred for LED. (Good luck! )

I was merely putting in my into this discussion that started as a sales presentation, degenerated quickly into name-calling and then a big mod smack down. I have no hate for LED but I can't use them until they prove their cost/value.

 

[MeanBean]

nothing gets past you anti!!! sneaky peoples, selling led's...

 

[l33t]

Well I33t, we agree on more that I thought. However if you really wanted to grow a taller canopy, you could go 30 degree lenses or potentialy even more, however the trusty Scrog has shown, a shorter canopy tends to be more productive. With led's were not trying to mimmick hps every move, they try to stay away from the bad points.

Yeah , I suggested a narrower than 60degree beam angle earlier in this thread for better penetrative ability of the LED unit.

Regarding SCROG , well SCROG is a good growing style but so is SOG and pretty much all growing styles can give top yields. In fact SOG seems to be one of the best if not the best style if you want max yields per kwhr and time unit. Scrog needs long Veg times , SOG doesn't. In a perpetual garden after the first run pretty much all styles can give top yields per Kwhr.

I don't agree that a shallower canopy is always better/more productive.

If you have a 1k HPS light and use shallow canopy you are losing yields..
For example a 1ft deep canopy is not better than a 2 , 3 or 4 ft deep canopy with a 1k lights..

The more growing volume you use/fill the better as buds can only grow tight up to a point in a given space/volume

If you want a 1ft deep , shallow canopy , 600s or even 400s are better than 1k hps lights , the bigger/stronger the HPS light used the deeper the canopy has to be to make out the best of the HPS light

I think that in any vs situatiuon watt per watt, LED'S Can disperse light More evenly over a canopy than any one source light unit ya know??

Anti. There's alot of toys I wanna play with that I cant $$$. It sucks I know, but that doesnt make me hate them!!!

An even light distribution is important but a more even light distribution is not always gonna give better results as with a given wattage a more even distribution means less penetration in the lower part of the canopy..

Anyway I look forward for LEDGirl to explain to us why would a 1K hps user would want to replace his light with her LEDs..

Will there be less cost , even if only in the long run?

Will it be less work for the grower to get the same yields as before with the 1k hps?

What are the advantages , why should one make this switch ?

 

[MeanBean]

OK well I won't argue there.

Anyone that needs to grow 8ft tall canopies, maybe consider hps. However if tall canopies were LED's goal, I am sure the units would be a bit different then they are now..

Also Not gonna argue that SOG could be better than a srog, I never tried it but I see the potential.

Buuuut I do believe a shallower canopy produces more yield.. Sorry...

Maybe not with a 1000watt light but that's just the wrong light for a shallow canopy. Every bulb grower knows 2 600w lights are way better than 1 1000 as far as light distribution..

And a 100Watts of LED's well that would be great light distribution..

 

[Zombo]

I can't wait for the day when I can build a 3ftx3ftx3ft cube (or bigger) that rivals the sun.

You don't have to bankroll it. I already have. As soon as the single auto flowering Pakistan Ryder in my cabinet is done, I will have 2 of LEDGirl's 126w units occupying a 29.5" x 19.5" x 52" space (around 17.3 cubic feet). What yield from two 4 gallon DWC buckets with a scrog screen would make you happy?

If I'm wrong, I'd love to see it.

Rep to those with evidence.

The upside-down tomato pot at walmart has pics.... that's all I'm saying.

I'll have pics. I'll have lots of pics. Believe me.



















































Oh, did I mention that I'll have plenty of pics?

 

[l33t]

Anyone that needs to grow 8ft tall canopies, maybe consider hps. However if tall canopies were LED's goal, I am sure the units would be a bit different then they are now..

what about people that grow 3-5ft plants? Most indoor growers grow plants in this range MeanBeam

Even a plant flowered from seed indoors (zero veg) will naturally grow about 2-6 ft tall depending on the genetics (indica/sativa)...

And tall plants /deep canopies are not LEDs goal..not out of choice..its out of their capability range , due to their limitations. LEDs have very limited penetration this is the only reason you don't see LED growlights made for big/tall indoor plants.

Buuuut I do believe a shallower canopy produces more yield.. Sorry...Maybe not with a 1000watt light but that's just the wrong light for a shallow canopy. Every bulb grower knows 2 600w lights are way better than 1 1000 as far as light distribution..

Thats why I usually prefer 600s myself too but this doesn't mean that 1ks can't give equal yields per watt as the 600s ..at least in certain types of gardens where you have deep canopy and use up a big volume. There is more than enough proof out there..

If you want better light distribution even 400s are better than 600s..and 250s are better than 400s..But better light distribution does not necessarily mean better results/yields..
Plants are not flat

We can keep on talking about all this forever but fact is the LEDs are good only for certain growing styles while with HPS lights the grower is not as limited and can grow from small SOG plants to huge trees with almost equally good results..
Thats why HPS are so popular and LEDs are not , cost being the other most important reason of course.

I 'm sure if the cost drops (hopefully it will soon) more and more people will do the switch and to be honest the 504W and 756W Growlights from LEDGirl seem very promising , I m really looking forward to see how these perform in side by side comparison tests with 1K HPS lights.

 

[MeanBean]

We can keep on talking about all this forever but fact is the LEDs are good only for certain growing styles while with HPS lights the grower is not as limited and can grow from small SOG plants to huge trees with almost equally good results..
Thats why HPS are so popular and LEDs are not , cost being the second most important reason of course.

Well That's not fair to compare multiple hpsb sizes to just 1 watt 60 degree lens led units.

If LED's were going to "Mimic" hps they may squeeze a bit more diodes on one panel but give like a 20 degree lens. That could give us the 3-5 foot canopies your looking for.

Still LED's are battling a price bump for sure, so for now were going for most bang for your buck. When you start tailoring the light to growing style you start to lose sight of that efficiency thing we should all be chasing....

 

[JJScorpio]

I can not believe the petty ass arguing that I have read in this thread. This thread wasn't about what will yield more or whether or not I can afford it. Some people just need to have a reason to complain. I've had it.

Thread closed....