Contemplation of Time itself

[cyberwax]

time does not refer to any kind of "container" that events and objects "move through", nor to any entity that "flows", but that it is instead part of a fundamental intellectual structure (together with space and number) within which humans sequence and compare events.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

time does not refer to any kind of "container" that events and objects "move through", nor to any entity that "flows", but that it is instead part of a fundamental intellectual structure (together with space and number) within which humans sequence and compare events.

The turn of the 'Wheel of the Karmic Truth' as things turn out.

 

[bentom187]

artic, you would be amazed, about your own post if you read the book im reading then the snake would make sence,its called mind minipulation ancient and modern ninja techniques they speak of a technique of the one eyed nake. its by Dr.Haha Lung.im not sure how its pronounced. but the snake technique is a illusion,as is dim mak,for a distant comparison.

 

[arcticsun]

artic, you would be amazed, about your own post if you read the book im reading then the snake would make sence,its called mind minipulation ancient and modern ninja techniques they speak of a technique of the one eyed nake. its by Dr.Haha Lung.im not sure how its pronounced. but the snake technique is a illusion,as is dim mak,for a distant comparison.

not sure if I follow you my friend, ive read something recently about a one eyed snake. Please elaborate, I cant recall what it was about the one eyed snake.

 

[bentom187]

the one eyed snake is a techique that ninjas used, i forget the japanese term but it was used as trickery.mabey somthing similar to what you posted.the ninjas used all illusions to there advantage and they let the myths fly, to intimadate their enemey.like most samuri beleived the ninja were desendence of wind demons,the ninja didnt do anything to clarify it cause it was to their advantage.

 

[Frozenguy]

Do you think its possible that people experience different rates of time at the same time?

Like, maybe my life is moving really fast right now, because of one reason or another, which we can speculate on later, and my friend or uncle's time is going much slower or even faster because of one reason or another.

Maybe it is just many infinitesimal time differences that sum to be the same as other peoples time.

Sometimes I think that we do go back in time, but every time we go back in time, we go again forward in time but further, so at the end of the day we actually move forward.

 

[apartmentblower]

Does anyone here ever remember when they were kids and an entire Saturday was this long event fulled epic full of adventure? Remember how a weekend passed and when you looked back on it, it seemed like you experienced so much and that it was this journey that took such a long time?

 

[Tripp35]

it begs the question of what is time? is time relative? after all, all matter is operating as waved on separate planes of imminence. some things move slow like the 2,000 year old sequoa trees. whereas other things move fast, like the life of a fly which is only a day long. is time slowed down or sped up for different planes operating on different frequencies of being? or is time a universal, which is the same for everything, and beings must adapt to it? is time what we percieve it as, i.e. the sun rising and the sun falling. so would time be different on a different planet?

or even more... is time simply the rate at which something degrades into nothing? if we lived forever time wouldnt exist. the fly that dies after a day cannot function, but the physical body still exists. does time exist for the fly like it does for a rock? or do neither experience time? is time just for biological being to experience?

too many questions...

Time is a measurement, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
I believe you're implying that a fly might perceive its lifetime as a human would perceive their lifetime. A fly lives to see the sun rise and set once, a human gets to see this many times. If a fly could understand this it would realize how short it's life is.
10 hours of human/earth time would still be the same length on pluto, even though it might be called something different.

|------------| = 10 hours
|------------| = 3 vectors

"is time just for biological being to experience?" How high are you right there? How can an inanimate object without consciousness experience anything?

 

[Tripp35]

Did you know that time out on the international space station is ever so slightly slower than time here on Earth?

What?

 

[mandingo]

Yeah the time in the space station is at a different gravitational field. The clock on Earth is slightly slower.

An inanimate object would experience time by being eroded, decaying and stuff. Consciousness, I'm not sure if thats specific to life. Everything is made up of atoms. These things behave according to the laws of science. Like pre-programmed, so maybe the atoms in inanimate objects have a awareness and are following a specific path.

Like someone said earlier the original atoms of Julius Caesar are floating out there maybe mixing with the THC sticking to the mucus on my nose hairs at one point.

The cool thing about time is that it links everything together - eventually.

 

[Frozenguy]

What?

Yeah lol. So where did you get your info that time on pluto is the same as time here?


The crew aboard the International Space Station age about .007 seconds SLOWER then us here on earth, every six months.

Its not that big because they are only going 17,300 mph. But get closer to the speed of light (~671,000,000 mph) and you will experience the harsh side of time dilation. Que plant of the apes

 

[bombadil.360]

Do you think its possible that people experience different rates of time at the same time?

that's a big yes from me. sure thing.


and btw, whoever said "laws of science" wtf?

peace

 

[Tripp35]

Yeah lol. So where did you get your info that time on pluto is the same as time here?


The crew aboard the International Space Station age about .007 seconds SLOWER then us here on earth, every six months.

Its not that big because they are only going 17,300 mph. But get closer to the speed of light (~671,000,000 mph) and you will experience the harsh side of time dilation. Que plant of the apes

I'm saying 10 hours on pluto would be the same as 10 hours on earth, time is just a measurement of moments.

What time is and does is something entirely different then how we can perceive time.
Regardless of how we perceive it, right now, regardless of how fast it's going, something is happening far away from earth at this moment in time.

I mean if what you're saying is true then the people in the ISS are currently in the past (at least thats how I gathered it). As far as I'm concerned thats some bullshit.

 

[bombadil.360]

What time is and does is something entirely different then how we can perceive time.
Regardless of how we perceive it, right now, regardless of how fast it's going, something is happening far away from earth at this moment in time.

you are right if by 'time' you mean the standard measure of an atomic clock for example.

but what meaning does the measurements of an atomic clock have when if during 30 minutes someone experiences a much shorter or longer 'time'?

 

[ArcticBlast]

did anybody post this in here yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pfwY2TNehw

kind of makes you feel like you're wasting your time worrying about time
ArcticBlast

 

[Tripp35]

you are right if by 'time' you mean the standard measure of an atomic clock for example.

but what meaning does the measurements of an atomic clock have when if during 30 minutes someone experiences a much shorter or longer 'time'?

The meaning would be it's still 30 minutes, no?

How does one experience a different time anyway?

When I'm high, time goes by rather quickly, yet when I'm high and staring at a clock it's slows back down to normal.
So have I experienced a different time, I don't think so. I just changed the way I perceived it.
When I'm not looking at the clock time is still going by at the same speed when I am looking at the clock, only I don't witness the passing of time quite the same.

Like I said time and perception = apples and oranges.

I don't even know if I'm still on topic, damn memory.

 

[bombadil.360]

The meaning would be it's still 30 minutes, no?

How does one experience a different time anyway?

When I'm high, time goes by rather quickly, yet when I'm high and staring at a clock it's slows back down to normal.
So have I experienced a different time, I don't think so. I just changed the way I perceived it.
When I'm not looking at the clock time is still going by at the same speed when I am looking at the clock, only I don't witness the passing of time quite the same.

Like I said time and perception = apples and oranges.

I don't even know if I'm still on topic, damn memory.

I get that, regardless of one's subjective experience of time, 30 min will be 30 min according to the clock.

but yet, it won't be 30 min to the subject; it is not the same 30 min if sometimes 30 min go by real fast, and sometimes real slow.

yes, it will still be 30 min on the clock, but at the same time it won't be 30 min to the subject like it is 30 min to the clock.

 

[Tripp35]

...Ok, so a foot is 12 inches. From 5 feet away that foot appears to me as only 3 inches therefore that foot is now only 3 inches because thats how I perceived it...
Can you see how you can't compare perception to reality yet?

I think you're saying that time is a suggestion? Like the yellow speed limit signs around a sharp corner.

Actually I got it wrong and unintentionally lied, for the first 15-30 minutes after I smoke time slows down considerably, so much so that a commercial will drag on for far too long, this is only because my focus is increased and I am paying attention to the passing time.
When you're not paying attention to time, like when playing a game and you're having fun, time will go by much faster.

But time is just a measurement it is undeniable that regardless of how long you feel your day has been its always going to be 24 hours at 60 minutes an hour and 60 seconds a minute.

If I'm not quite getting what you're saying I apologize, but this is what I'm gathering from what you say.

 

[Frozenguy]

I'm saying 10 hours on pluto would be the same as 10 hours on earth, time is just a measurement of moments.

What time is and does is something entirely different then how we can perceive time.
Regardless of how we perceive it, right now, regardless of how fast it's going, something is happening far away from earth at this moment in time.

I mean if what you're saying is true then the people in the ISS are currently in the past (at least thats how I gathered it). As far as I'm concerned thats some bullshit.

I can't really explain it very well. My Physics teacher went over it but I didn't really understand why. I usually dont until I do the math.

But here is nasa. http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/station/crew/exp7/luletters/lu_letter13.html

And this is a good one too. http://ideonexus.com/2009/02/17/how-much-does-time-dilate-for-the-iss-astronauts/

Its proven science, as far as our proofs can go

 

[Frozenguy]

...Ok, so a foot is 12 inches. From 5 feet away that foot appears to me as only 3 inches therefore that foot is now only 3 inches because thats how I perceived it...
Can you see how you can't compare perception to reality yet?

I think you're saying that time is a suggestion? Like the yellow speed limit signs around a sharp corner.

Actually I got it wrong and unintentionally lied, for the first 15-30 minutes after I smoke time slows down considerably, so much so that a commercial will drag on for far too long, this is only because my focus is increased and I am paying attention to the passing time.
When you're not paying attention to time, like when playing a game and you're having fun, time will go by much faster.

But time is just a measurement it is undeniable that regardless of how long you feel your day has been its always going to be 24 hours at 60 minutes an hour and 60 seconds a minute.

If I'm not quite getting what you're saying I apologize, but this is what I'm gathering from what you say.

In the sense of perception, its just that, perception. You percieve time to go fast if you are talking and laughing and hanging with your buddies, but when you aren't doing anything, a pot of water to boil, or a boring show preceding a good one, will take FOREVER.

I have speculated as to whether or not this is a true phenomenon that we cant measure, or if it really is just perception. As of right now, I blame it on perception but I'm open minded.

As for time dilation in reference to traveling closer and closer to the speed of light, that is proven, so far.

The faster you go (closer to the speed of light) the slower time will go for you. But it will be percieved as nothing has changed. The universe is relative, if Einsein was right.

And for you to be going at the speed of light, and time be the same in all way shape and form to someone traveling at 1/10,000 the speed of light, that is not relative at all.