Decarboxylated Isomerized Oxygen Oil

[DSDFreak]

So last week I heard about something awesome that I hardly believed, but today it's alllll mine ^_^

I'm talking about "Decarboxylated Isomerized Oxygen Oil"..
Quoted from a Cannabis Culture article I had found, "Marijuana produces THCA, an acid with the carboxylic group (COOH) attached. In its acid form, THC is not very active. It is only when the carboxyl group is removed that THC becomes psychoactive. When marijuana is smoked, the THC behind the hot spot is vaporized as the hot air from the burn is drawn through the joint or pipe bowl to the unburned material. The liquid THC and other cannabinoids have a boiling point of between 180-200? C (355-392? F). Before they turn gaseous, at around 106? C (220? F), the carboxyl group is released from the molecule as carbon dioxide and water vapor.

You will be extracting the THC using low heat in the commercially made Coldfinger Extractor. (They have a very interesting online catalog at www.edenlabs.org). The THC will not reach a temperature in which decarboxylation takes place. However, if you plan to vaporize or smoke the extract decarboxylation will take place as the oil is used.

However, it is easy to make sure all the THC is decarboxylated and is at full strength before it is extracted. Although decarboxylation takes place rapidly at 106? C, it proceeds at a more gradual pace by placing the cannabis in a room with low relative humidity and room temperature. As the temperature rises, the rate of decarboxylation increases.

Cannabis can also be placed in a food dehydrator to remove the carboxyl group. Although the heat in the food dehydrator doesn't rise to 106? C, the temperature is warm enough to promote drying and the release of the water and CO2. When the marijuana is crispy and brittle you can be assured that the carboxyl group has been removed from the cannabinoids and they are ready for extraction or removal from the plant material."

So Here it is.. Looks alot like ISO hash but is actually a consistency like no other.. When Room temperature or colder it is very viscous and does not move easily... when heat is applied it turns mailable and then liquid very quickly and subsequently so that a small amount of heat make a very large difference in the state of the oil. It seems to stick to itself much more than it sticks to warm objects.

 

[Tanoli Khan]

sick shit

 

[GoldenBuBBle]

Very nice! How is the high? What extractor did you use? What was your conversion rate(bud/trim to oil)?

 

[Gray Wolf]

So last week I heard about something awesome that I hardly believed, but today it's alllll mine ^_^

I'm talking about "Decarboxylated Isomerized Oxygen Oil"..
Quoted from a Cannabis Culture article I had found, "Marijuana produces THCA, an acid with the carboxylic group (COOH) attached. In its acid form, THC is not very active. It is only when the carboxyl group is removed that THC becomes psychoactive. When marijuana is smoked, the THC behind the hot spot is vaporized as the hot air from the burn is drawn through the joint or pipe bowl to the unburned material. The liquid THC and other cannabinoids have a boiling point of between 180-200? C (355-392? F). Before they turn gaseous, at around 106? C (220? F), the carboxyl group is released from the molecule as carbon dioxide and water vapor.

You will be extracting the THC using low heat in the commercially made Coldfinger Extractor. (They have a very interesting online catalog at www.edenlabs.org). The THC will not reach a temperature in which decarboxylation takes place. However, if you plan to vaporize or smoke the extract decarboxylation will take place as the oil is used.

However, it is easy to make sure all the THC is decarboxylated and is at full strength before it is extracted. Although decarboxylation takes place rapidly at 106? C, it proceeds at a more gradual pace by placing the cannabis in a room with low relative humidity and room temperature. As the temperature rises, the rate of decarboxylation increases.

Cannabis can also be placed in a food dehydrator to remove the carboxyl group. Although the heat in the food dehydrator doesn't rise to 106? C, the temperature is warm enough to promote drying and the release of the water and CO2. When the marijuana is crispy and brittle you can be assured that the carboxyl group has been removed from the cannabinoids and they are ready for extraction or removal from the plant material."

So Here it is.. Looks alot like ISO hash but is actually a consistency like no other.. When Room temperature or colder it is very viscous and does not move easily... when heat is applied it turns mailable and then liquid very quickly and subsequently so that a small amount of heat make a very large difference in the state of the oil. It seems to stick to itself much more than it sticks to warm objects.

Do you have more information on how they extracted with oxygen and it was isomerized?

GW

 

[DSDFreak]

I didn't do the extraction myself, just never heard of this stuff before..It's from Colorado.. I was told the extraction was through liquid oxygen and it came "under water".. also.. and here's where my jargon becomes more laymens lol... It was mixed with ether so it would emulate the consistency of a beverage and not stick to sides of containers like when the put it in beer bottles for travel.. then when it arrived at its destination the ether was evaporated and left over is pure, already psychoactive, thc oil.
Also, I saw it go through a couple hands it it ranged anywhere from 40-80$/gm

EDIT** Does the fact that it is isomerized mean it isn't exactly T-H-C anymor, but a very closely related cousin? If not, what does it mean exactly?

 

[Gray Wolf]

I didn't do the extraction myself, just never heard of this stuff before..It's from Colorado.. I was told the extraction was through liquid oxygen and it came "under water".. also.. and here's where my jargon becomes more laymens lol... It was mixed with ether so it would emulate the consistency of a beverage and not stick to sides of containers like when the put it in beer bottles for travel.. then when it arrived at its destination the ether was evaporated and left over is pure, already psychoactive, thc oil.
Also, I saw it go through a couple hands it it ranged anywhere from 40-80$/gm

EDIT** Does the fact that it is isomerized mean it isn't exactly T-H-C anymor, but a very closely related cousin? If not, what does it mean exactly?

It technically means to make an isomer out of something, but with cannabis oil, is usually accepted as isomerizing any CBDs present, into THC by reflux cooking it at a reduced Ph.

 

[ZEROorDIE]

so can the every-man with an oz of buds make this or do we need some seriously speciallized equipment?

im always lookin for new ways to make a better extract.

lets see what google has to say

 

[Gray Wolf]

so can the every-man with an oz of buds make this or do we need some seriously speciallized equipment?

im always lookin for new ways to make a better extract.

lets see what google has to say

Easy enough, but requires working with strong acids. It can be done in a glass boiling flask with a reflux condenser.

GW

 

[Baron Ambrosia]

You scientists are crazy hahaha

Awesome stuff tho def. something new, ive never even heard of this concept before. Definitely interesting, id like to read more if anyone has links they can provide

 

[highonmt]

Wow they really make sohxlet extraction sound sexy.... sounds like they are just extracting with acidic water and then partitioning with ether. This works great and produces an oil with some pigments etc. The partitioning step removes much of the water soluble pigmets so it's light than just evaporating the water; which leaves a black/green oil. Supercritical fluid extraction(sc butane, co2 etc) is better at extracting only the organic solubles so the oil is generally lighter in color. If your herb is dry it is already decarboxylated. Refluxing acidic water is pretty harsh so many of the subtle flavors and effects that typify the strain you are extracting are lost in soxlet extraction. SCF extration on the other hand produces an oil more like that of the plant. Hash oil in general is a blast thanks for starting this thread.
Cheers,
HM

 

[Gray Wolf]

You scientists are crazy hahaha

Awesome stuff tho def. something new, ive never even heard of this concept before. Definitely interesting, id like to read more if anyone has links they can provide

Marijuana Chemistry by Starks
Cannabis Alchemy by Gold
Dr Atomics Marijuana Multiplier, by Todd

 

[DSDFreak]

is a SCf extraction something one could do at home?

 

[Gray Wolf]

is a SCf extraction something one could do at home?

Easily with butane.

Super critical fluid extracton using C02 is beyond most home bodies, but is easy with the proper equipment.

GW

 

[chuckyoufarley]

used to be able to buy the Isomerizer machine in HIGHTIMES magazine yrs ago
in the ad there was a logo with a 3 headed dragon that started out at the botom as a thai stick

 

[ZEROorDIE]

ya i answered my own question after i read through the website a bit.

seems really cool, just kinda expensive and you need to have access all kinds of solvents etc. that coldfinger extraactor is really cool though, wish i had an extra $400 laying around i might give this a go.

you guys have any good links to CO2 extraction?

 

[DSDFreak]

Yeah, I have a good amount of experience with butane.. but A) What actually differs between the end product of different extraction methods (i.e. bho, co2, o2) and B) What equipment is needed for co2?

 

[jd4083]

Didn't read anything but just glancing at the pics, looks like some grade b underpurged BHO from trim to me? What's special here besides the long name?

 

[DSDFreak]

Didn't read anything but just glancing at the pics, looks like some grade b underpurged BHO from trim to me? What's special here besides the long name?

Really?? I didnt exactly take the time to make the OP so that people would just not read it and ask what the name meant.. why read this when you could read the OP?? And BTW... its NOT BHO.. which I thought was pretty clear.. seeing as you noticed BHO was not in the title

 

[G.O. Joe]

All he did was say that it looked like BHO, and how is it better than BHO. I'd like to know how it compares to BHO.

Could your friend have sold that as BHO at $40-80/gram?

I'd happily take several large bets against you: no LOX, no ethyl ether (Unless its actually a starting fluid extract) and no isomerization. That's not saying anything about you or your friends, I am betting on probabilities in general. And the probabilities are so good for me there is no way I could let that bet go.

 

[Tr33]

All he did was say that it looked like BHO, and how is it better than BHO. I'd like to know how it compares to BHO.

Could your friend have sold that as BHO at $40-80/gram?

I'd happily take several large bets against you: no LOX, no ethyl ether (Unless its actually a starting fluid extract) and no isomerization. That's not saying anything about you or your friends, I am betting on probabilities in general. And the probabilities are so good for me there is no way I could let that bet go.

Exactly, just like the CO2 oil supposedly being sold here in CO, which is earwax sold as CO2 oil called Coil here in CO.
Old news nothing new. Seeing this fluff since 1998 under all sorts of different names.