Cheech & Chong Blame 'Right Wing' for Turning People Against Legalization of Pot

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Late 70's was the beginning of my long career in smoking weed. So I can only speak for myself that Nancy Regan had zero effect on me and my friends. Actually, now that I reminisce, that was about the time our family had had it with the east coast blizzards, and the impending "Ice Age" the left was warning everyone about. We moved to San Diego in 77. Turns out we didn't haff to.

so still no answers. The first and last question did not mention nancy.


I'll repeat them since you're having trouble.

Do you deny that the tide of public opinion was turning toward tolerance and legalization during the late 1970s?


Do you deny that public opinion turned back against legalization of pot during the reagan years?

 

[ROJO145]

100% AGAIN H3ad!! Rite wing FAIL!!Republican FAIL!!And despite makin them eat fact after fact,despite proving them WRONG time after time,they still just dont see,still everyone else brainwashed!!
H3AD YOU ARE ABOUT THE SHARPEST CAT I KNOW,I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY POLITICALY.......WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE IF SOMEONE LIKE YOU MADE DECISIONS!!
oH......hi hoosier
so were we at now??like 300 to 0........you guys must like goose eggs!!!
YES........in the 70's before that sea hag the tide of public opinion WAS changin!!

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I'd run for office if it weren't for all the skeletons in various closets i've left scattered about.

 

[CLDBD]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/index.html

That's funny. I've soundly backed up my every point and you have failed to make any, yet you think it is I who lost.

LOL.

Your opinion was debunked by simple fact and logic (again). your refusal to see or admit it is your issue.
You're like that black knight from monty python's holy grail.

You figured it out brother. They say someone never said anything. You provide video proof and they never touch on that again even though they bring up comments from another thread. You prove them wrong and they move the goal post. That is the problem with the right wing nuts. They never admit to being wrong and they always claim to be centerists. That blows my mind. Reason being they start out every paragraph with some drivel about the left usually using some kind of stupid name for a liberal or lefty. They never seem to have any cute names for the republicans. I wonder why? I wonder why they always move the goal post? I wonder why when they are proved wrong they act as if these comments never took place? Then they have the balls to claim victory as if they think they earned one based on how many cool names they can come up with for those that don't agree with them. Republican or democrat. Liberal or conservative if you think that only one type of person or one political party is at fault for everything you need to be beat about the fucking head until you either open your eyes or cease to live so the rest of us can use the air you are so obviously wasting. If I see one more obvious right wing person claiming to be a centerist or coming in any thread that is about a right wing topic and take it off topic to beat the dead horse obama birthplace issue and then call other people out for going off topic when they don't follow them down the rabbit hole I am going to puke.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Do you deny that the tide of public opinion was turning toward tolerance and legalization during the late 1970s?

I don't know where you were living, but there is no way in hell you can say that the 70's was a time close to acceptance of MJ. It just wasn't so. Nor was it during the Carter years. Not in the least. I don't know what events would have you thinking we were close in the 70's?
I know a guy who got 7 and did 3 for a qp of mexican in 75', I bet he would disagree with your assessment of that time frame as well.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I don't know where you were living, but there is no way in hell you can say that the 70's was a time close to acceptance of MJ. It just wasn't so. Nor was it during the Carter years. Not in the least. I don't know what events would have you thinking we were close in the 70's?
I know a guy who got 7 and did 3 for a qp of mexican in 75', I bet he would disagree with your assessment of that time frame as well.

Bullshit... First off I am not talking about laws... I CLEARLY said public opinion (like in the thread title)... During the 70s Marijuana legalization WAS gaining public acceptance.

But, If you want Legislative proof of the way the tide was flowinf back then... Even mississippi decriminalized for a time in the 70s...
along with Alaska, California, Colorado, Nebraska, New York, North Carolina, Maine, Minnesota, Ohio, and Oregon. who all decriminalized in the 70s.

speaking concerning national legalization President Jimmy Carter told Congress in 1977, that: "Penalties against drug use should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against the possession of marijuana in private for personal use."

I know for a fact that it all went sour in the 80's I was there watching it, and the history record backs me up.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

things may have been different in Kentucky.

 

[hkush]

so still no answers. The first and last question did not mention nancy.


I'll repeat them since you're having trouble.

Do you deny that the tide of public opinion was turning toward tolerance and legalization during the late 1970s?


Do you deny that public opinion turned back against legalization of pot during the reagan years?

Did I say I denied it? I'm agnostic on it, and described my own experience with it. Prove it with real numbers. The only thing I have is the experience at least 30 years of witnessing marijuana laws being steadily watered down and/or revoked. Apparently your argument is that they have gotten sterner since Reagan. I also have the ability to realize the simple logic that "right wing" FOX news didn't cause the problem. Henry Anslinger, Democrat caused the problem. Matter of fact, most problems can be traced back to the party of slavery.

P.S. Is FOX news only considered "right wing" because they aren't left of Castro, like the rest of the media? Just curious.

 

[Cgigantea]

Hoosier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcPF59CoGvs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMgInXRjnsg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kssS_TEeQfU

that didn't take too long. Take off the partisan blinders. Wake up to reality. despite what you or any of your toking GOP buddies want to believe, your politicians and your media will not support legalization, with the exception of a very few eg: Ron Paul who is more libertarian and Gary Johnson, also more on the libertarian side. The only anchor I've seen on Fox that actually agreed legalization would be a good idea was glenn beck, and he's a libertarian (and somewhat of a nutjob, but still makes valid points occasionally). I see a trend here. The only republicans who support legalization are actually libertarians who wear a GOP suit because they understand the reality that in this country the sheeple only choose between red and blue, and fill out their voting cards to match the little boxes checked off on their red or blue voters guides. People can't think for themselves these days, I would expect different on a cannabis site. I guess that's expecting too much.

Well said. And let's not forget that the Democrats, not the Republicans, control everything at the federal level and in many states, yet they haven't made pot legal anywhere.

 

[ROJO145]

CORRECT AGAIN H3AD!!!It was getting a little TOO popular with the public,and anyone who says different just dont kno,period.So popular in fact that this happened,they even heard about it in Kentucky!!

In the early 1970s, U.S. President Nixon appointed a
"National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse" (the
"Marijuana Commission") to study cannabis and its effects on
social and individual health. He may have expected it to report
back that marijuana was a deadly threat. Instead, it
recommended decriminalization: that users be fined but not
imprisoned. Nixon ignored the Commission's results and
instead declared a "total war on dangerous drugs".
Nevertheless, individual states began to consider marijuana
decriminalization. The first state to pass such legislation was
Oregon.
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[Cgigantea]

so still no answers. The first and last question did not mention nancy.


I'll repeat them since you're having trouble.

Do you deny that the tide of public opinion was turning toward tolerance and legalization during the late 1970s?


Do you deny that public opinion turned back against legalization of pot during the reagan years?

I certainly deny that the tide of public opinion was turning toward legalization in the 70s. And since it had not turned in that direction, it didn't turn back in the 1980s.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

OK... for my final piece of evidence... I will quote a conservative, testifying to congress about the evils of drugs...

If you guys won't believe another of your ilk, then nothing will satisfy you...

The international drug policy debate rages regarding decisions whether to fundamentally change drug policy toward legalization or decriminalization of drug use, or to remain with restrictive policies. If we examine two examples of softening of drug policy, we will find ample reason to continue with restrictive policy.

In the mid to late 1970's during the Carter administration, drug policy visibly softened. Several states decriminalized marijuana, and in fact Alaska legalized marijuana. Drug policy `specialists' in their infinite wisdom supported the flawed concept called `responsible use' of drugs as a way that users could maintain personal use of drugs and avoid the ravages of addiction and physical problems.

Permissive drug policy originated with organizations like the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. President Carter's drug policy advisor Peter Bourne, as well as others like Arnold Trebach, Mathea Falco, Peter Reuter, Mark Kleiman helped to press for the lenient policy.

Interestingly, during that time the use of marijuana and other drugs drastically increased. Use also increased in adolescents despite the fact that drugs never become legal or decriminalized for that age group.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/GovPubs/solom2.htm

It happened.
Reagan reversed it.
Get over it.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Those right wing bastards! I can't believe its ONLY right wing bastards who don't want to legalize marijuana. I'm calling Boxer! (anyone know her LEFT WING stance?)

I'm calling the president! Anyone know his LEFT WING stance? I'm going to "FIND OUT!!" Somehow. If only there was something I could input some text, and quickly find out... Gotta be something to find out with!

At least obama aint unleashing his dea dogs like bush did.....

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I certainly deny that the tide of public opinion was turning toward legalization in the 70s. And since it had not turned in that direction, it didn't turn back in the 1980s.

History disagrees with you, as I have amply demonstrated.

Do I need to dig up old polling data?

I'll try to if you insist that ELEVEN states dicriminalized, in opposition to public opinion...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

WTF???? Do we not teach cannahistory anymore? Imma have a word with the dean....

 

[hkush]

At least obama aint unleashing his dea dogs like bush did.....

On Thursday, a Denver news station interviewed Chris Bartkowicz about his medical-marijuana operation in the basement of his home. Bartkowicz, confident of his compliance with state laws, boasted of its size and profitability.
"I'm definitely living the dream now," he told 9News.
The following day, the dream was over.
Drug-enforcement agents raided his home, placed him under arrest, and carried off dozens of black bags of marijuana plants and growing lights.

http://rawstory.com/2010/02/obama-admins-promise-dea-continues-raids-medical-marijuana-growers/

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

lol... so that's unleashing the dogs?
your kung fu is weak.

Bartkowicz, confident of his compliance with state laws, boasted of its size and profitability.

Sometimes taunted dogs break free...
nothing bushesque about it.

 

[ROJO145]

Thats the trouble with "them",no imagination and dont wanna see the truth,also they lack any sense of humor!!

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Henry Anslinger, Democrat caused the problem. Matter of fact, most problems can be traced back to the party of slavery.

The party of slavery? That is comical..... what were all the right wing supporters saying when the left wing elected a black man as president? I remember ALOT of racism......

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

On Thursday, a Denver news station interviewed Chris Bartkowicz about his medical-marijuana operation in the basement of his home. Bartkowicz, confident of his compliance with state laws, boasted of its size and profitability.
"I'm definitely living the dream now," he told 9News.
The following day, the dream was over.
Drug-enforcement agents raided his home, placed him under arrest, and carried off dozens of black bags of marijuana plants and growing lights.

http://rawstory.com/2010/02/obama-admins-promise-dea-continues-raids-medical-marijuana-growers/

1 grower getting raided under obama v. the 1000s of smash and grab dea robberies in california every winter and summer under bush........????