Cal/Mag Issues - Filled Out Form

[Pure.Dope]

It looks like it's starting to really green up. The solution was more K, higher ppm, and mixing calmag first. I'm now running @ 1100ppm. I'd like to try out the Nectar instead of Grow.

I'm throwing them into flower. They are nice short wide bushes. I love LST.

Thank you everybody for your input.

 

[littlebud]

what ever works 1100 ppm is way high in my opinion for a veging plant..i also have never added calmag untill i have mixed micro and bloom..i guess everybody has a way...if your ph starts dropping you know your to hot..peace

 

[snoopytime]

your fine seriously... pH 5.8 is perfectly fine. Make sure you're watering them enough and mix the nutrients/additives in the correct order and you will have absolutely nothing to worry about. 5/10 is perfectly fine.

Not to hijack the thread, but can you expound on this if in my case I need to use DM Zone also . . which order is correct for CalMag+ *mix* Micro *mix* Grow *mix* Bloom *mix* DM Zone *mix*?

Thanks!

 

[littlebud]

micro first always...additives are just that...micro is the building block

 

[]A[Boss]

my tap has cal-mag.. in that case adding micro to tap would fuck me up because it's not 'first'

adding cal-mag first is my advice. if nobody has seen any probs with cal-mag last then whatever but i don't beleive it. This Op of this thread had problems until he added cal-mag first... and no they didnt green up because he had more K imo.. as 6/9 is plenty.

I welcome more people to chime in other than me and littlebud

 

[richyrich]

IMO
1st nasty tap water
2nd nute lock out from overfert from build up. it will look like mag deficiency and if you have curled leaves you have overfert.

try flushing the crap out of your girls until you get a runoff close to your tap ppm then fertigate at 700ppm and ph5.9. start flushing like this once a week and all should be good. dont go overboard trying to add this and that, you may just make it worse. when in doubt always FLUSH!

if that dont work i would go to ro water or a mix of tap/ro water

 

[Pure.Dope]

IMO
1st nasty tap water
2nd nute lock out from overfert from build up. it will look like mag deficiency and if you have curled leaves you have overfert.

try flushing the crap out of your girls until you get a runoff close to your tap ppm then fertigate at 700ppm and ph5.9. start flushing like this once a week and all should be good. dont go overboard trying to add this and that, you may just make it worse. when in doubt always FLUSH!

if that dont work i would go to ro water or a mix of tap/ro water

I'm running RO water and co2. I switched from 700 to 1100ppm after all of this started happening. Re-read the thread please.

 

[richyrich]

The tap water here is super nasty. Nobody here is thirsty enough to drink it. I'm gonna measure it gimme a sec....474ppm 7.5ph

Would it be worth it to mix it w/ RO?

Do you think lowering the ph would help like lysol suggested? i thought around 5.8 was going to be my best bet.

2lazy awesome suggestion. I think you might have hit the problem.

My bad I read this ^^^ too fast and got mixed up. Well besides my opinion about using RO or a mix, have you taken a ppm runoff reading? What is it? Take it at the first bit of runoff. Have you ever flushed. Did this problem pop up after a few weeks into the grow after everything was okay?

 

[]A[Boss]

lol he's already got his problem fixed

 

[Pure.Dope]

Hey so remember that time I told you guys my plants were looking better? Yah that didn't happen.

Turns out they're getting worse. Ouchie.

The plants are super short so it's hard to tell, but it looks like the deficiency is happening around the middle of the plant. Not the top or the bottom.

 

[feelingfactory]

I had the same problem in hydro dogging me for weeks and couldn't figure out a solution. Kept on adding more junk into my feeds. Finally hammered it out by flushing w/ Flora Kleen and going back to the basics. Added only a bit of Flora Gro and Ca/Mg as supplements to treat my K and Mg deficiencies.

I suggest a flush with Flora Kleen or any other brand name equivalent and start your nutes from the basic 5:10 Lucas. At 5", 1000ppm is overkill. Try your original range first and add supplements as necessary. I would toss in Flora Gro first and then try a bit of Ca/Mg if conditions are not improving. Test one variable at a time.

Post Flora Kleen flush, a nutrient solution somewhat resembling 5ml:5:10 (Gro:Micro:Bloom) with some Ca/Mg (1/4-1/2 strength) fixed my Blueberry right up.

Good luck.

 

[richyrich]

lol he's already got his problem fixed

lol

 

[richyrich]

Hey so remember that time I told you guys my plants were looking better? Yah that didn't happen.

Turns out they're getting worse. Ouchie.

The plants are super short so it's hard to tell, but it looks like the deficiency is happening around the middle of the plant. Not the top or the bottom.

Start over. You are wasting your time. You will find this out eventually.

 

[mrwags]

Not to hijack the thread, but can you expound on this if in my case I need to use DM Zone also . . which order is correct for CalMag+ *mix* Micro *mix* Grow *mix* Bloom *mix* DM Zone *mix*?

Thanks!

I've read in here a few times about mixing order.? And gotta say phooey on that assumption it's hog wash.

I have mixed EVERYTHING in a 5 gallon water jug and then add water to 3/4 of the way full shake well then add to my rez.







I know there kinda small but their only a month into flower.

Have A Great Day
Mr.Wags

 

[Pure.Dope]

The funny thing is if you look at the first pics I posted, I pulled out the middle plant and put it under a t5 to be a mother. It looks green as ever and does not have any problems whatsoever. I'm feeding it the same as the other plants. wtf.

 

[richyrich]

The funny thing is if you look at the first pics I posted, I pulled out the middle plant and put it under a t5 to be a mother. It looks green as ever and does not have any problems whatsoever. I'm feeding it the same as the other plants. wtf.

Well now it sounds like you have an environmental problem too. Try a light spreader under your bulbs, they work for light stress. Have you flushed yet??????

Your plants need for increased nutes, mainly mag, is no longer needed under the T5s and without the CO2. Sealed rooms with CO2 are hard to dial in. I see your problem a lot when the plants needs are increased with CO2. I bet if you went non sealed room and ventilated fresh air instead your girls would turn around in about a week.

 

[Pure.Dope]

Good to know RichyRich. No I have not done a flush, given that I think its a deficiency not an overdose. So you really think I should pull these almost two weeks into flower and start over? That would suck bad.

I have no doubt that the co2 is screwing with their nutrient needs. I just can't figure out how to correct it. As of yesterday I upped the ph to 6.1 in hopes of something.

 

[richyrich]

1. Flush until the runoff is below 500ppm.
2. Fertigate at 800ppm. Set ph at 5.8.
3. Lower CO2 ppm level to 800 if you have a controller.
4. Buy a light spreader for each bulb.
5. Give them around 10 days to recover and turn around. Look at the new growth at top and mid plant. You have to be patient here. Don't change things up after just 3 days etc. because you don't see changes fast enough. They take a while to turn around.

After...

1. Flush once a week.
2. Fertigate at 800ppm max. Nute ppms will build up in the coco and the plants will not starve.
3. Play with your ph. E.g.: one day 5.6, next day 5.8, 6.1, 5.8... keep it in range of 5.6-6.2
4. Slowly raise the CO2 ppm levels each week.
5. Fertigate everyday!!! with 10-20% runoff.

 

[richyrich]

Overdoses can cause deficiencies by locking out nutrient uptake. This is where growers go wrong and start adding more cocktails and make the problem worse. You need to know your runoff ppm!!!

 

[Pure.Dope]

Thank you so much RR. That makes total sense and I'm going to do this.

Steps I took lastnight:
-Drained reservoir
-Flushed system using 5ml/gal FloraKleen @ ph6.0
-Ran this through the drip for 30 minutes
-Lowered co2 level to 1000ppm
-Lowered humidity to 50%rh

I'm going to drain the rez later today and fill up with the above noted by RR. I will also lower my co2 to 800ppm.

The only problem w/ testing runoff is I'm running a recirc drip. Also my timer only has 15 min intervals. Maybe I'll go pickup a digital timer that does 1min intervals.