I used to use maxi crop b4 I went chemi-hydro.....what's the diff between that and a rooting gel?
Seaweed for rooting clones?
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They both cost more money than their worth?
C
CT Guy
The LC10+7 is a 10% liquid humate that is already chelated with the minerals your plant needs and in the proper amounts.
Stimplex sounds interesting though, I'll have to give their rep a call. 360 is typically North of Seattle and surrounding area.
I do wonder if there's a link there like you think, but I did see a visible difference when comparing the 2 side by side on the extract powder, and my supplier swears it's different (though he won't tell me any more than that).
Interesting story though:
I started using the LC10+7 and seaweed combo because I had given some to my mother for her houseplants. She had one plant that she'd inheirited from my great grandmother that had never bloomed in 5 years. Within a month of using these two products when watering, it started blooming. I'm guessing the plant was experiencing a small mineral deficiency that the humate corrected or the auxins and gibberlins in the seaweed promoted flowering. Hmmm....
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CT Guy
Oh it's not that it's bad, just that ClackamasCoot explained all this in detail but I forgot my pen that day and a couple days later when I went to the stor I could only remember this maxicrop
The acadian is $35 for 3 pounds up the street, looks like the KIS is $42 for the same amount is it better,same?
I'm glad to hear the maxicrop is good, the tropical plants on the patio will look great. Usually 150+ containers up to 50gal along with all my flower beds. My outdoor garden is actually more vital to me than the marijuana. When I started spending 20+ hours gardening a week my life changed. My happiness depends on planting flowers,
I was toying with the idea of a big brewer and then actually bought a commercial backpack sprayer to spray teas, then someone told me I should use a hose end sprayer instead....... lol I like to go shopping before I have the info can you tell?
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That's a good price for Acadian, though 3 lbs. is a lot. Maybe you can talk some friends into splitting the 3 lb. box.
As for spraying the teas, a hose end sprayer is only an option if you aren't using a municipal water source, as the chlorine or chloramine (in and around Portland) will kill off the microbes.
If you do use city water, be sure to find out whether it's chlorine or chloramines so you can treat it properly before brewing your tea.
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CT Guy
Have you ever tried harvesting seaweed? It's a lot of work! Personally, I'd pay $15 for a product that I can use for over 2 years and has all the benefits attributed to seaweed.
For people just getting into organics, I typically recommend the seaweed first and foremost, as it has so many plant and soil benefits and is so inexpensive compared to all the other commercial products on the market.
As for the difference between it and rooting gel, the rooting gel is going to have a few other ingredients, but I'm fairly positive that the main ingredient will be a seaweed of some sort.
Cannaseur Kid
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I always use a mild sea kelp extract (when the cuttings are at about one week after being cut) as a direct application and I always use a very mildly diluted spray solution. Plants love seaweed and it greens them up like nothing else. I do not use just the sea kelp but it is a definite must have in all aspects of my garden.
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Hazyfontazy
thanks mate
don't throw out the Maxicrop, GeorgeSmiley, it's good.
here is what i mostly use
not sure by what process it is extracted-it says that it is made in the UK thats all
great stuff ,use as foliar or feed on clones
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Thanks CT. And thanks C Coot, as always.
For the record, the KIS soluble seaweed powder is the one I'm using.
One thing though: I hear a lot of replies that are just "I use such and such seaweed always." I am wondering if some of you may have replies more along the lines of "I have tried cloning with and cloning without seaweed, and I have found..."
If not, no biggie. The research studies cited are somewhat convincing in and of themselves.
CC,
do you know what bio-canna is using for bio-rhizotonic? is it like the south african seaweed process you were stating, as when I had it, it was very clear with a brown tinge to it. so I thought it to not be full seaweed, as I was use to the dark colored stuff.. ??
I was asking a canna rep a question once on seaweed, and this is what they replied to there bio-canna :
"There are many differences between dried and liquid, chief of which is that most protein based components remain intact, things like amino acids and vitamines can change including more delicate molecular structures such as Growth hormones and factors. It is basically the same idea as dried herbs verses fresh herbs. Then there remains the question of type, as not all seaweed is created equal, by variety or location of harvest. Yes many differences between the two and that doesn't take into account other things like ease-of-use benefits and concentration. "
do you know what bio-canna is using for bio-rhizotonic? is it like the south african seaweed process you were stating, as when I had it, it was very clear with a brown tinge to it. so I thought it to not be full seaweed, as I was use to the dark colored stuff.. ??
I was asking a canna rep a question once on seaweed, and this is what they replied to there bio-canna :
"There are many differences between dried and liquid, chief of which is that most protein based components remain intact, things like amino acids and vitamines can change including more delicate molecular structures such as Growth hormones and factors. It is basically the same idea as dried herbs verses fresh herbs. Then there remains the question of type, as not all seaweed is created equal, by variety or location of harvest. Yes many differences between the two and that doesn't take into account other things like ease-of-use benefits and concentration. "
Dignan
Here goes. I ran an experiment for a fellow MMJ grower who had purchased an EZ-Cloner machine but wanted to do something 'organic' in the reservoir to enhance the rooting process.
I took some kelp meal tea, humic acid (from KIS) and some Vitamin B-1 powder from a health food store.
We ran 3 different strains using this concoction and everything was rooted in 7 days. Then we ran the experiment using Dyna-Gro KLN product as directed and the results were pretty much the same on these 3 strains. We did it again but this time instead of using kelp meal tea we used the seaweed powder from Acadian Seaplants and the results were consistent with the first 2 runs.
My conclusion was/is this: kelp tea and/or seaweed powders/extracts will give you consistent results as the chemical products and still be able to stay within the organic paradigm. You'll note that almost every commercial rooting agent has a warning that these products are not approved for anything other than ornamentals.
That's why I stick with kelp and seaweed products to enhance the rooting process.
CC
I acutally have, from here in Florida and Ireland. I was refering to maxicrop in general. I much rather buy powder and make my own than buy a bottle.
habeeb
Since it's a Canadian product (correct?) if I were going to guess that if it wasn't absolutely clear then it's probably KELPGROW out of British Columbia which uses yet ANOTHER variety of kelp for their product - the Pacific Ocean's Bull Kelp, aka Brown Kelp and a host of other names.
KELPGROW is a fine product but they've stayed away from the consumer market and have concentrated on selling to the agriculture industry as well as fertilizer manufacturers.
KELPGROW does retain a slight brown color after extraction.
CC
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vonforne
Soaked them in seaweed, rolled them in honey and have roots on flowering SSH clones in 9 days. I sprayed then a few times with seaweed extract while they were in the clone box.
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CT Guy
You're right obviously. I was looking at a MSDS sheet on the ASL product and I took note of the 'chelated mineral' part of things and thought of the LC10+7 product as I was typing but failed to provide a link on the similarities.
Sorry about that!
CC
BTW: Get an iPad! Wow! Incredible! Amazing! Best 'toy for boys' in years and years - trust me! LOL
C
CT Guy
Big Ballin,
I hear you on the maxicrop, no reason to order a liquid product and pay for them to ship you the water.
Can't speak to other brands, but on ours you're looking at 1/2 tsp./gal of water. I'd go even lighter if you're using it with every watering. Approx. 2.5 cups/lb. btw.
V,
Why the honey? I thought people stayed away from it due to it's anti-microbial properties.
CC,
Even though I know you know your stuff from our previous chats on the iPad, I still can't look at it as anything more than a glorified iPhone. I am a complete Apple convert though after getting the iPhone and new 13" MacBook Pro. I take them everywhere!
Isn't not having a USB or Flash an issue?
I hear you on the maxicrop, no reason to order a liquid product and pay for them to ship you the water.
Can't speak to other brands, but on ours you're looking at 1/2 tsp./gal of water. I'd go even lighter if you're using it with every watering. Approx. 2.5 cups/lb. btw.
V,
Why the honey? I thought people stayed away from it due to it's anti-microbial properties.
CC,
Even though I know you know your stuff from our previous chats on the iPad, I still can't look at it as anything more than a glorified iPhone. I am a complete Apple convert though after getting the iPhone and new 13" MacBook Pro. I take them everywhere!
Isn't not having a USB or Flash an issue?
CT GuyCC,
Even though I know you know your stuff from our previous chats on the iPad, I still can't look at it as anything more than a glorified iPhone. I am a complete Apple convert though after getting the iPhone and new 13" MacBook Pro. I take them everywhere!
Isn't not having a USB or Flash an issue?
Let me give you a great analogy - you and MM (and others) are purists. Not elitists but purists when it comes to brewing up an AACT. Much to your credit.
Over in the web development world there is a HUGE antithesis about the Flash deal. Flash is NOT a 'web standard' though it is 'standard on the web' and the reason that it is not a 'web standard' is that it's a proprietary technology now owned by Adobe Systems.
The web development purists want nothing to do with anything proprietary and for the most part the 'hardcore purists' are backing Apple on this deal vs. Adobe
I'm on the side of the purists. HTML5 (which Adobe is fighting tooth and nail) will bring 'animated web sites' under the open-source paradigm.
The lack of a USB port is not a good thing. This incarnation of the iPad is a start. It's my prediction that the 'tablet technology' will eventually take over the lap-top market. Not with this product, obviously, but I saw the future and it was nothing short of amazing.
Especially for browsing the web - far better than any desktop browser. Any of them.
I watched MM's videos and at full screen and it was amazing. No degradation of the image/video even at full size. Reading the NY Times was far better on this device than on any browser.
Cool stuff! Get one! LOL
CC
C
CT Guy
Well put, you should work for Apple!
I just spent my $500 on a chicken coop and fence. I saw Rosalind Creasy speak when I was down in San Fran for the Flower and Garden Show last week (www.rosalindcreasy.com), and now I want to convert my yard to an edible landscape. I thought I could document the process (sheet mulching, selection of proper plants, soil prep, bio-amendments, AACT, etc..) and put it into a presentation for homeowners who want to go organic. Thinking about starting a blog or website to document the process (with lots of photos). What do you think? I'm figuring with the movement back to Victory Gardens, this seems like a natural progession to me, and when done correctly, it makes a beautiful landscape (I'm not talking about planting rows of corn in the front yard here).
CT GuyI just spent my $500 on a chicken coop and fence. I saw Rosalind Creasy speak when I was down in San Fran for the Flower and Garden Show last week (www.rosalindcreasy.com), and now I want to convert my yard to an edible landscape. I thought I could document the process (sheet mulching, selection of proper plants, soil prep, bio-amendments, AACT, etc..) and put it into a presentation for homeowners who want to go organic. Thinking about starting a blog or website to document the process (with lots of photos). What do you think? I'm figuring with the movement back to Victory Gardens, this seems like a natural progession to me, and when done correctly, it makes a beautiful landscape (I'm not talking about planting rows of corn in the front yard here).
Naomi of Naomi's Organic Garden Supply is the 'urban chicken raising' source for each and every article in the local media about raising chickens.
Check out her web site - she's really into it.
Another guy is Doug at NorthwestRedWorms.com down in Camas, WA who builds some really nice urban chicken coops.
In and around Portland, Oregon the urban garden and chicken thing is huge. Portland has a law allowing up to 3 chickens - no roosters though! LOL
Naomi has some good links for you to peruse and I think you'll find them interesting and helpful.
CC
