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Senator Barbara Boxer Opposes Legalizing Marijuana in California
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retro just outlined that 5x5 is more than enough room to grow more weed than 1 person could smoke alone, this is icmag and we can turn out maximum weed in 25sqft. they say square feet btw not cubic feet, loophole i dont know but i guess as long as those pots are within the 5x5 "sky's the limit". just how much weed are you trying to grow anyway and why? sounds like you're also thinking about $$$$ if i could grow 25sqft of all the weed i want i would vote yes. yesterday it was illegal, today you can grow 25sqft, tomorrow who knows. like someone once told me, baby steps.It allows some assclowns a warehouse and you and I can go fuck ourselves with 25sq'. How is that equal justice for all?
Discrimination is wrong and immoral and this bill is using people like you to create a multi-cast system for the benefit of the bills authors. No Californian should be better than any other, except some animals are more equal than others
J
JackTheGrower
Boxer is old school.
She is obliged to the old system:
There is already a Market system in place for Cannabis and it includes the Prison industry and LEOs.
We are thinking that we are legalizing but really we are redistricting the Cannabis Industry.
It has to be unsettling for some.
An Example is a local "Whites" bar in Turlock called Staleys where everyone is in their comfort zone with the drugs that don't smell down the street like burning cannabis does.
They are not really bothered by the local LEO as it would seem to be a "tolerated" situation by local LEO from what i can tell over the 8 years I have been in this town.
I am not alone in this observation. So I figure adding Cannabis adds a new dimension. Legal Cannabis is an all out assault on the status quo because they didn't think ahead and economics have evolved around meth, coke and other things since they don't smell like burning cannabis.
Boxer isn't willing to risk her base. It is a shame our representatives are not bolder on our behalf but as a Union Steward I learned many want to bitch but few will actually do. Many want someone to take the risk while they bitch from a safe distance and I saw that many are ready to buddy with the "Boss" as soon as they see things go bad or enjoy the victory if things go well.
Boxer will fall in line.. Just remember to get everyone to vote. I agree that our choices are not ideal. They establish an American entry into a market system for Cannabis that is very established already and included the Union of the Police or Police Union if you like.
Both paths to decriminalization in California only establish a market right but not true freedom. Freedom is threatening to cannabis profits.
One offers worker protections and one doesn't both are more to appease an already established market for Cannabis rather than granting rights to people IMO.
Meanwhile keep growing! I mean Going or maybe both.
Gee it looks like the politics forum has moved.
She is obliged to the old system:
There is already a Market system in place for Cannabis and it includes the Prison industry and LEOs.
We are thinking that we are legalizing but really we are redistricting the Cannabis Industry.
It has to be unsettling for some.
An Example is a local "Whites" bar in Turlock called Staleys where everyone is in their comfort zone with the drugs that don't smell down the street like burning cannabis does.
They are not really bothered by the local LEO as it would seem to be a "tolerated" situation by local LEO from what i can tell over the 8 years I have been in this town.
I am not alone in this observation. So I figure adding Cannabis adds a new dimension. Legal Cannabis is an all out assault on the status quo because they didn't think ahead and economics have evolved around meth, coke and other things since they don't smell like burning cannabis.
Boxer isn't willing to risk her base. It is a shame our representatives are not bolder on our behalf but as a Union Steward I learned many want to bitch but few will actually do. Many want someone to take the risk while they bitch from a safe distance and I saw that many are ready to buddy with the "Boss" as soon as they see things go bad or enjoy the victory if things go well.
Boxer will fall in line.. Just remember to get everyone to vote. I agree that our choices are not ideal. They establish an American entry into a market system for Cannabis that is very established already and included the Union of the Police or Police Union if you like.
Both paths to decriminalization in California only establish a market right but not true freedom. Freedom is threatening to cannabis profits.
One offers worker protections and one doesn't both are more to appease an already established market for Cannabis rather than granting rights to people IMO.
Meanwhile keep growing! I mean Going or maybe both.
Gee it looks like the politics forum has moved.
LOL. She's a Neo-Liberal. What do y'all expect. NO ONE is working for YOU.
They all work for the banks. This is indicative of the larger problem at hand. A microcosm.
THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT MONEY AND WAR (including keeping the Drug War going). That's it. Death, despair, and money is what feeds these Washington scum.
On both sides.
They all work for the banks. This is indicative of the larger problem at hand. A microcosm.
THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT MONEY AND WAR (including keeping the Drug War going). That's it. Death, despair, and money is what feeds these Washington scum.
On both sides.
I think the cartels got to her. She's obviously on their payroll.
Wow some sheep really want to stay in the pen.
I could care less what someone outlined.
I stated I use 250sq' 10x the CA proposal.
This is ICmag. Do you too want to lock me in a cage or send me to federal pound you in the ass prison?
I am trying to grow about 8lbs a month from 15 plants in flower. I'll have to average 17oz a plant to get there. That is my goal.
I grow for more than just one person AS IS MY FUCKING NATURAL RIGHT.
The baby steps should begin with taking off your blinders and opposing discrimination and intolorance of abuse of ICmagers freedoms.
Baby steps should not be taken back into the pigs regulatory scheme.
Fuck the pigs and anyone else who wants to tell me what to do with my property, time, money, or body.
Is that fair enough? I decide what I do on my land and with my time, not you, not the pigs, not public opinion. That's it end of story.
If you don't mind my business I'll continue not to mind yours, and as a side benefit I will always speak up for EVERYONES freedoms and natural rights, not just my favored groups.
How is it pot smokers can be so intolerant?
If morally I should only grow my own weed, than why shouldn't we all have that same requirement for clothing, food, and shelter. Shouldn't I have to build my own house, grow my own rice, and sew my own clothes. Because with your logic letting anyone else do that for me and trading with them is WRONG.
You got a lot of growing up to do buddy (insert Mormon line to Stan here).
Peace,
tedlarrrge
Member
She will retract that statement like all politicians and go with the flow once the voters speak!
karmical
Active member
Imagine a nation that truly let everyone do whatever the hell they felt like.
personally I have no problem with you and your 8lbs a month goal, as you have probably spent the time mastering your skills enough to fully do so safely and with full respect of all that would go into such a goal.
but I wouldn't want every average joe with unlimited resources or property to go after the same objectives as someone such as yourself.
Its a trip all the opposition I read from folks that aren't no where near being touched by the direction any initiative out there, its not like if the worst was to happen you would try and use anything within any of the initiatives out there to help you stay out of that federal thing you spoke about, but if the average joe with a few plants going under their sink or somewhere could.
or that guy that only has a couple joints or a nug or two, which for the most part isn't that big a deal, but I've been that person arrested for those couple joints (med rec expired, not working due to an injury, thus little $$, not enough to pay for a dr appt), and if for the most part if it helps those folks out, its all good in my book, as it cost me 10x the amount of a medical rec for 2 fucking joints in NorCal not that freaking long ago at that.
oh yeah, back to that boxer bs, whatever, someone that is running her show for her probably advised her to say that shit.
I say She'll do whatever the will of the people dictate she does, much like most every career political MF'r does, as their will have been determined by so many for so long, they really don't know what the fuck they want any longer
That's where I believe you are wrong and is somewhat of a foolish assumption IMO.
These are smart people with and they have all the information. We have very little. They know EXACTLY what they want. It just looks stupid to you because you are the one getting fucked over all the time.
These people aren't stupid lol. They are playing politics of power. The will of the people lol. Do you really believe that it exists anymore except for the crumbs they throw at us to appease our simple understanding of their system?
don't make me laugh- I wish Obama would do anything radical or socialist!
J
JackTheGrower
Ain't that the truth?
Oil drilling off the coasts is not liberal thinking.
I have to say this guys.. We may have a great President in Obama. You don't see me beating the I love Obama "no mater what " drum he is on both sides. He is a Bi-partisan president IMO. That keeps me watching for what he does next.
Back to Boxer.. Boxer has done a lot of good for California and I will restate my point of view. Only when WE stand up and do something can things change.
Remember I know about political dealings over issues and how people work.. Most want someone to do it for them while they play it safe.
On the issues of our two possible decrims. I will support the one that protects workers on the job.
Not that the whole concept is correct but that we have nothing for protecting the workers now.
It's truly a waste of money and lives to find the guy that smoked a joint last Friday night on the following Friday morning's surprise urine test.
Cannabis is all they are finding. Meth is way worse and that goes on all the time where Cannabis is safe and natural. Anyway you know the drill.
Boxer has to support the old school people but don't forget that Labor is under attack now in California. We have lost manufacturing jobs and they are not coming back. That means the Whole State is now under some sort of "residual Production Quota" Pressure. It's actually Nation wide to make Americans work more harder, faster and cheaper than ever before. It's a new way to squeeze the Worker's Balls harder.
So the Rich gamble Trillions of dollars away, loose 9 million jobs and send millions of families to a future poverty after a lifetime of hard work while the Rich are Bailed out and making record profits we workers now have to work more for less in an America that already works too hard and gets too little for their efforts.
Boxer knows, I would assume, and I would assume we all need to see the bigger picture on what is happening.
On The cannabis issue.. We will get shafted this time out so i suggest we all get the least of things "Worker Protection on the Job."
The thing to do is get protections and keep growing! We have done it before and we can continue to do it now!
Our "Leaders" are trying to find a compromise situation that works but Freedom has no Compromise!
"They may take our lives but they can't take our Cannabis Freedom!"
FREEDOM! < Eh
Braveheart quote.. Get Rocked! Get Registered and VOTE!Ernst
OK, now I have another reason not to like her.
Boxers recent "unfavorable rating' is at 51%, with any luck this will drive it up. I'd much rather have a republican in her postition who is against the referendum than her, at least they are consistent in their idiocy.
Boxers recent "unfavorable rating' is at 51%, with any luck this will drive it up. I'd much rather have a republican in her postition who is against the referendum than her, at least they are consistent in their idiocy.
except for every politician is a fucking scum bag and everything that they say is just to persuade your vote for them to suck on the goverments tit a little longer and a little stronger
NHMI
Member
Ya it is funny cuz I have been arguing with my local Governor about the issue and they say the same thing, law enforcement likes arressting potheads, it makes it look like they are fighting crime but since most potheads are nonviolent in nature they don't have to work very hard whereas those dealing hard drugs get violent....I wonder who should be off the street...I also think cops who break the law should recieve double sentences that are mando day for day. With great power comes great responsibility. It is a proven fact that legalization leads to a decrease in use over all....the facts don't lie yet they choose to accept proppaganda over fact just because of the proffit they make from fucking the otherwise innocent general public. This wouldn't happen if the Constitution was upheld. support the gotfr gotfr.org
For the LEO against legalization, they sure do like arresting NON-VIOLENT criminals..I mean, how easy would that be, to just bust down some doors and arrest a person who's growing and not hurting anybody? versus fighting the real violent criminals..
That's what I am wondering after reading your posts. You are remarkably intolerant of other people's viewpoints, yet you preach tolerance.
Too funny.
True as your statements may be, Hydrosun, they are also completely irrelevant because of your apparent complete ignorance of how government and politics work. As RetroGrow observed, the idea that there are others out there with opinions different than yours seems as if it's a foreign concept to you.
Though most anti-marijuana rhetoric is based on lies, half-truths, and generally shaky foundations, and thus most believing this rhetoric could be classified as merely ignorant rather than stupid, this doesn't change the fact that these people are human beings same as you. The only difference is they are not as comfortable with this whole marijuana thing as you are. When somebody busts all up in their comfort zone trying to push agendas on them (like has been known to happen with gay rights activists, environmentalists, etc), people don't like it. It immediately puts them on the defensive and makes it harder for you to win them over to your side.
Your refusal to accept any sort of reasonable compromise short of full blown legalization on your terms is the height of closed mindedness, and is a non-starter in a political environment where reasonable compromises need to be sought that take everyone's needs, desires, and viewpoints into consideration.
The real solution is to pass the initiative. Anyone will be able to grow commercially, don't think for a minute a license will be hard (maybe expensive, but not hard) to obtain. (How hard is a doctor's recommendation to get now?) Later on, as people see that the sky doesn't fall and in fact things improve quite a bit, then they will be much more receptive to the idea of relaxing stupid restrictions on grow room sizes and that sort of thing. That's how you change the world--one step at a time. Do you think Martin Luther King and all those famous civil rights activists in the 1960's changed everything overnight with one act of legislation?
Though most anti-marijuana rhetoric is based on lies, half-truths, and generally shaky foundations, and thus most believing this rhetoric could be classified as merely ignorant rather than stupid, this doesn't change the fact that these people are human beings same as you. The only difference is they are not as comfortable with this whole marijuana thing as you are. When somebody busts all up in their comfort zone trying to push agendas on them (like has been known to happen with gay rights activists, environmentalists, etc), people don't like it. It immediately puts them on the defensive and makes it harder for you to win them over to your side.
Your refusal to accept any sort of reasonable compromise short of full blown legalization on your terms is the height of closed mindedness, and is a non-starter in a political environment where reasonable compromises need to be sought that take everyone's needs, desires, and viewpoints into consideration.
The real solution is to pass the initiative. Anyone will be able to grow commercially, don't think for a minute a license will be hard (maybe expensive, but not hard) to obtain. (How hard is a doctor's recommendation to get now?) Later on, as people see that the sky doesn't fall and in fact things improve quite a bit, then they will be much more receptive to the idea of relaxing stupid restrictions on grow room sizes and that sort of thing. That's how you change the world--one step at a time. Do you think Martin Luther King and all those famous civil rights activists in the 1960's changed everything overnight with one act of legislation?
I am intolerant of slavery, oppression, discrimination, and infringements on liberty. Someone else in this thread said freedom knows no compromise.
I tolerate the sheep, but that doesn't mean I will fall to my knees and join them.
You are welcome to live nose down in the dirt but I will stand erect, while tolerating your groveling.
I will not however tolerate any invasion on my natural rights.
So if the slaves get Saturday and Sunday off should they be happy with the whip Monday - Friday?
Who's liberties have I been intolerant of? No-one has the right to trample on anyone else. If you tolerate injustice you are unjust, but most sheep are.
Peace;
I guess I am totally wrong. I forgot that the civil rights activists drank out of the colored fountains and stayed away from the lunch counters, until AFTER their little initiatives passed.
I may be ignorant of the was of a sheep, but that doesn't mean I don't know the difference between a sheep and a man, bahahaaaa.
I guess it is really easy to see to the horizon when you head us lower than your balls.
Tolerating differing opinions doesn't mean one must agree with them it only means I should not turn them into mutton.
