Seed Crop...Should I Still Flush At The End?

[Hal]

Hey Breeders,

My current grow is turning out to be primarily for seed, the buds are thoroughly seeded, won't be too much smokable I'm afraid.

Given the situation, is it still advised to flush at the end of the grow cycle? I know the flush is recommended for a superior smoking bud, but since I won't be getting a lot of smoking bud, I don't want to short change my little seeds.

And...if I should still be flushing for a seed crop, should I also stop adding cal/mag to my RO water? The cal/mag has a little bit of N in it as well, and I'm guessing that if a flush is called for then I should also hold back on the cal/mag too.

Thanks for any advice you pros can provide!

 

[englishrick]

thats a very good question!!,,,

i wouldnt want to starve my seeds of nutes towards the end of there development,,,id rarther feed a seedcrop right untill i the last second beffore i crop,,,,,,,flushing a seedcrop sounds simmilar to putting a pregnent womon on an extreem diet towards the end of her pregnancy!!

sam could answer this question,,,,

 

[cork144]

well a plant yellows because they take what they need from the leaves,

so im presuming seeds would also take what they need from the rest of the plant,


could be wrong its all speculation on my behalf,

 

[LolaGal]

I don't flush seed crops either, unless of course they are smokable.

I figure give em all the good stuff they would have gotten outdoors in the wild, there ain't no flush in nature?

 

[Pseudo]

ive gotten primo seeds off of heavily flushed plants

 

[MaynardG_Krebs]

I don't think it would be an issue. The seeds are usually mature before the plant is totally ripe anyway. And back in the old days, we had seeds in all our pot.. you cleaned it, rolled it and smoked it. There's nothing wrong with that pot other than you've gotta clean it.. hell, I'll take it! I guess if you've got plenty cached up, and aren't in need of smoke, you could make hash out of it..

mgk

 

[master shake]

I would still flush. Like said above, the seeds mature much faster than the bud you would want to smoke. So if you're going to smoke the stuff, or make hash (that's what I'd do) then flushing only makes sense.

 

[MarquisBlack]

Of course you should still flush, otherwise your seeds will taste like crap.

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

I have heard others on here speak of removing the seeds over a dry sieve screen and making hash. Seems like almost free hash since you need to remove the seeds anyway.

 

[Hal]

Thanks for all these responses!

Englishrick...that's what I was thinking too, but then I got to wondering if I was just making an assumption based on preconceived notions of life in general....hence the presence of this thread.

Cork...then I switched my thinking and came at the question the way you did...

Because, (and this gets to LolaGal's point) that yellowing you speak of on our flushed indoor plants is actually very similar to what is going on in outdoor plants, from what I have read there is actually a "flush in mother nature," in the fall the trees and bushes began to change color for many of the same nutrient deficiencies we force on our girls. The usable nutes have all been used up by the time fall arrives and these are replenished with the falling leaves and their break down over the winter.

Pseudo...your response is important because it is concrete, derived through experience, and thats the best kind of info, gives me some confidence that I can do a flush and not harm my seeds and get a higher quality smokable, if in very reduced quantities this time around.

MaynardG, I have heard this as well, another piece of info that makes me think a flush will do no harm.

Mastershake, you just about sealed the dealio for doing a flush.

Marquis, thanks for the humor dude! This thread was screaming for some I haven't smoked any seeds in 25 years, but I can still remember that POP! POP! coming from the Liberty Bowl that I packed with those Columbian buds.....

Major...hash always sounds good...always...

Did anybody have any thoughts on the RO water (the process which filters out calcium and magnesium) and the need to continue putting this back in with cal/mag? The reason I ask is that these elements are in tap water, so anybody doing a flush with tap water would still be supplying these nutes to the plant.

 

[B. Friendly]

flushed many seed crops without noticing any loss of germination. Take your seeds as long as you can grow your girls in flower for potency i have found.

 

[englishrick]

i personly believe that hydro seeds are mutch larger in size when compared to organic seeds.....even calax dont grow "As large" when a clone is grown in soil,,,,,,i find soil allways makes small compact calax, i bet the soil grow seeds are generaly smaller too

 

[DocLeaf]

We just reduce feed down to water gradually over the final few weeks

 

[LolaGal]

Because, (and this gets to LolaGal's point) that yellowing you speak of on our flushed indoor plants is actually very similar to what is going on in outdoor plants, from what I have read there is actually a "flush in mother nature," in the fall the trees and bushes began to change color for many of the same nutrient deficiencies we force on our girls. The usable nutes have all been used up by the time fall arrives and these are replenished with the falling leaves and their break down over the winter.

In the fall, change of leaf color is due to temperature change on trees and bushes, not nutrient deficiency.

There are plenty of nutes left in nature in the fall.

Most seeded plants die in the fall due to temp changes and the fact that they are usually successful in breeding by the time fall comes around.

[But that is just what they taught us in Botany class at college. I just loved those science classes.... bachelor's of science ]


save me some beans !!

 

[englishrick]

mornin doc

yeh, lowering the feed is good to make the plant mature up but at what point are we starving the seed,,,,could we beef them seeds up to give a positive reaction?,,,

 

[englishrick]

lower watts = smaller calax too,,,,a 1000w makes MASSIVE calax

 

[DocLeaf]

The seed, aka plant embryo,, comes complete with all the nutrients required to support germination (initial growth) in the endosperm; where seed proteins are stored. The mother-plant provides its seed offspring with the proteins required ,,, after procreation,, when plant energies are switch from floral production into seed production.

Each variety of cannabis has a slightly different metabolic rate,,(plant metabolism),, which effects the rate of photosynthesis and nutrient uptake,, at different stages of plant growth / development.

Over-fertilization,, at the period when the seed embryo is forming,, has in the past,, resulted in over-sized,, irregular shaped,, and even mutated seeds that are deformed and display lower germination rates.

Growdoc is a good source of information on this subject since he breeds exclusively from seed stock and has subjected his lines to excessive chemical applications in the past with negative results.

Many seed-breeders therefore use soil mediums and light organic feed when producing seeds from their mother plants,, even when their regular growing methods are chemical / hydroponic.

Hope this helps

 

[englishrick]

Doc - "Over-fertilization,, at the period when the seed embryo is forming,, has in the past,, resulted in over-sized,, irregular shaped,, and even mutated seeds that are deformed and display lower germination rates."

thats some good info,,,im gona look for some links on this,,,nice1 doc

 

[DocLeaf]

Cannabis is a weed (a plant that grows in the places others disdain). Making seeds is what it naturally does best.

 

[englishrick]

but there has to be a point when starvation by lack of nutes is detramental to the health of the seeds,,,no doc?