Canna Nutrients Questions

[stlsoldier531]

Ok I have never grown in Coco before so I am completely new to this..LOL...

1.) When should I start giving nutrients to seedlings??

2.) Can the RHIZOTONIC and CANNAZYM be mixed in with the nutrient solution?? Or do they have to given in a separate watering???

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Hi stlsoldier531, just my opinion, but it does work...


1] I start straight away, some people say seedlings have it all and need nothing for a week or so, but, as Coco has nothing, I give it a little, Soil has food in it and you do not see plain Soil overdosing seedlings. I start them on 0.3 ml/L and ease it up to 1 or 2ml/L after a couple of weeks.

2] You can mix them with your A+B, but don't use them together. Cannazym and Rhizotonic are good, but most people overuse them and cause problems, plenty of reports if you search the Infirmary. You do not really need Cannazym early on and plenty of people burn plants with keen use of Rhizotonic. I would always keep potions & lotions down to a small % part of my feed, if you use 2ml/L of A&B I would only use max 1ml/L of anything else.

 

[dman16]

i didnt know you could burn with rhizotonic, i use it at 15ml/gal for the first week. I would give a light feed 5 days after the seedlings break the soil. 150-250 ppm of A+B. As chaos said cannazyme isnt needed at the beginning (it mainly breaks down old root matter), but i DO mix mine together and suffered no ill effects. Just finished this coco run (first time). Your gonna love coco man its super easy and i liked the CANNA line alot.

 

[stlsoldier531]

Hi stlsoldier531, just my opinion, but it does work...


1] I start straight away, some people say seedlings have it all and need nothing for a week or so, but, as Coco has nothing, I give it a little, Soil has food in it and you do not see plain Soil overdosing seedlings. I start them on 0.3 ml/L and ease it up to 1 or 2ml/L after a couple of weeks.

How do you measure amounts that tiny?? With an eye dropper??

Also you say that you ease them up 1 or 2ml/L .....Is that what you maintain for the rest of their growth until harvest??

You can mix them with your A+B, but don't use them together. Cannazym and Rhizotonic are good, but most people overuse them and cause problems, plenty of reports if you search the Infirmary. You do not really need Cannazym early on and plenty of people burn plants with keen use of Rhizotonic. I would always keep potions & lotions down to a small % part of my feed, if you use 2ml/L of A&B I would only use max 1ml/L of anything else.

Ok

 

[stlsoldier531]

i didnt know you could burn with rhizotonic, i use it at 15ml/gal for the first week. I would give a light feed 5 days after the seedlings break the soil.

Thanks!!

150-250 ppm of A+B. As chaos said cannazyme isnt needed at the beginning (it mainly breaks down old root matter), but i DO mix mine together and suffered no ill effects. Just finished this coco run (first time).

Ok Thanks!! Yeah they say on the website that Cannazyme is not needed until after the first week

Your gonna love coco man its super easy and i liked the CANNA line alot.

Yeah man, I have been reading a lot about it and I like what I see. Looks perfect for my autoflowers...

Nice Buds!!!

 

[stlsoldier531]

Another question!!

How often do you guys feed?? Do you feed every watering or every other watering??

 

[2Lazy]

I feed every time.

 

[northernlightss]

I use a syringe from the feed/farm store to measure nutes.

I feed everyday 8ml per gallon for seedlings, 15-18ml/gal heavy flowering, 10ml/gal end of flower, then two weeks of water and molasses. That is the amount of a to use, then the same amount of b. So a total of 16 ml, 30-36, 20 ml.

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

How do you measure amounts that tiny?? With an eye dropper??

Also you say that you ease them up 1 or 2ml/L .....Is that what you maintain for the rest of their growth until harvest??



Ok

I have 3ml and 5ml pipettes, disposable plastic Lab, you can get a large pack for pennies on ebay, to make up a 0.3ml solution accurately, make up a 10L bucket, it is far easier to measure 3ml out than 0.3ml. For bigger measuring quantities, I have a few different measuring jugs.

Yes, I tend to run 2ml/L as Max for my outdoor plants, dialling in a specific strain indoors I might eventually push it higher. One strain I have now is known for being sensitive, so I only ever give her 1.5ml/L Max as a precaution.

 

[Hydropimp]

? so all you guy that use canna are using ro or tap?

And are you getting cal mag dif?

I will be buying a tent and the line up plus the coco but need to know if I should get a ro system?

I want to put all the nutes in the mix not guess what is in the tap.

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Pure tap, UK and Spain, had to let some Spanish town water stand 24h, otherwise no problems, have been having ideas about experimenting with RO as a pH-, but would never use it pure.

Speaking face to face with Mr GHE Europe he comfirmed that they design their nutes to work with the existing carbonates in normal water, not RO, Canna also said exactly the same thing to me at Spannabis.



p.s. when I said don't use Cannazym and Rhizotonic together, it was just a recommendation, for total safety, you can, it is unlikely to harm, but there are quite a few posters who have messed up, especially with the Rhizotonic, getting a bit too keen. Keep it all as simple as possible and you have less scope for problems. If you really want to run some potions, do a real side by side test, like Hazy Ladys Canna Boost test thread... then you know the truth if a product works. With all due respect, you do get the impression many growers chuck in things with funky names and shiny bottles far too freely and rarely tested, especially worrying when it is different brands products. You should be fine with Canna products and I really think you are doing the right thing being careful about what you put in.

 

[knewbreed]

Rhizo is a rooting stimulant and is used heavy in veg only 15ml/gal never more you can give less obviously. When i see roots on seedlings i start with low dose of rhizo then a very small nute mix. Also rhizo can be used as a foiler but only whe n plants get older(if they are seedlings cuttings i spray regularly during the rooting process).
Rhizo is used heavy in transplanting and u you gradually decrease usage as your plants gets older, once you hit the 4th week of flower, your roots have almost stopped growing so rhizo is really not needed.
Canazyme is utilized best in the 3 week of veg and throughout flowering, dead root matter will be broken down and turned into nutrients for ur plants.

Never go over recommended dosage on canna feed chart it is not needed.

Also if your starting seeds your should be using Cocr Vega A and B not Coco a and B.

Coco a & B is meant for a short veg cycle 2-3 weeks, you may stat seeing defencies, people have gone up to 5 with no adverse effects but its meant for quick veg than flower. Seedlings stock (aka mother ) plants should be kept on the Cocr Vega nutes. Cocg vega is Canna's advanced coco formula. When ur figure our sex and start taking cuttings you can use Coco a and b

 

[EddieShoestring]

it's good to check out other peoples nute levels/doses now and again. I run mine at 2ml/L, or slightly less, until they have finished stretching-roughly what you guys seem to be on, which is always reassuring.

I like Rhitzo, it is the only really expensive shit that i buy, and use it at 4ml/L for cuttings-both into the cubes and the occasional spray. In the past i've given it to them throughout veg at approx every other watering-which did give fast root growth-but roots grow readily in coir without it. Thats with tap water and no Cannazyme.

eddieS

 

[2Lazy]

In veg I used A & B I use it at about 15ml per gallon, or around 4ml per liter. I use an equal amount of Cal-Mag Plus because I use RO water and need the magnesium and iron badly. I kept wanting to run 20ml per gallon but didn't want to push it any more than I had already.

In flowering I switched to AN SensiBloom A & B at 10ml per gallon (due to concentration). If doing it again I would have stayed with Canna A & B and just added the CannaBoost. I decided to use CannaZym and PK 13/14. The CannaZym hasn't been anything spectacular, but it doesn't seem to hurt either. The PK 13/14 really made a difference during the swelling phase of the plants.

pH runs from 5.2 gradually up to 5.8, this depends on the run off I try to keep around 6.0.

 

[stlsoldier531]

Thanks Guys for the info..

Can you use PK 13/14 with Canna coco A&B?? Or should I discontinue the use of Coco A&B once I begin using PK 13/14??

 

[2Lazy]

You use them all at the same time but be really careful with the PK. You only need to run it for about 2 weeks, and I think 1/2 strength is strong enough. I went full strength and got a bunch of burn on my Kushes.

 

[Hydropimp]

So with canna if you go ro you will need to add cal mag to the mix?

 

[stlsoldier531]

So with canna if you go ro you will need to add cal mag to the mix?

My guess would be yeah because R/O system remove calcium from the water if I am not mistaken

 

[gaiusmarius]

i have never had problems with using full dose of rhizotonic, normally i use less then recommended as it's expensive kinda and works just as well at half dose it seems, the only thing it does it up the ph quite a lot, so you have to correct ph after adding it. but that's always best anyway, first add everything else, then the ph minus. when it comes to the cannazym or any other zym product,they are all pretty much the same, you don't really need it for the first run with new coco, it does no harm to use it, but isn't really needed till near the end and that's only to get the process started for the next run. that's when the zym is really starting to help, when you re use the coco. when you reuse coco a lot you can even give 1 and a half dose of zym sometimes. but after the first run i basically add the zym to every other tank fill and after 3 runs i'll start adding it with every tank fill. while i'll only add rhizo once full dose and that's to soak the rw cubes ready to take the new clones, after that they only get half dose and once in flower i'll add only .5 ml per litre till week 2 or 3 of 12/12. i always add A+B, zym, rhizo and pk 13/14 all in the same tank, no need to give separately when you want to add, just don't exceed your intended ec.

 

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