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Oregon Outdoor 2010 Samson Style

talktosamson

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Hello everyone out in IC Land. I am a long time member of the boards. I have been away from here for a while and away from growing for even longer. Since I am back and summer time is just around the corner I have decided to give Guerrilla Growing a shot on a Hill Side I have been looking at almost my whole life. I have done many indoor grows big and small with much success but have never really given an effort to doing anything outdoors. I have absolutely thrown out a clone or seeds here and there but something has always happened, lack of water, shitty spot and deer usually thwarted my efforts, well not this year!!!!!

The Spot: 46 Degrees Latitude, Northern Oregon Back Country, A hill side about 1/4 mile from a creek with decent PH. Was logged about 10 years ago and there are some prime spots where trees have fallen down and on the edges of tree lines. I Fished this area my whole life as well as hunted there and can count on one hand in 28 years the number of people I have ever run into. Plus no one crosses the creek, the game trails are on the opposite side and the creek runs fast so unless you have balls, or know the crick like I do you cant really get across.

The DNA: Ordered from Boutique, 5 Feminized Big Bang Greenhouse, 5 The Church Greenhouse Feminized, 5 Sputnik #1 from Paradise Seeds. I also have a BoggleGum Clone from a good friend and trusted IC member on here, as well as a C99 Clone I have had around for a while and has been successfully grown here before.

Preparation Purchased a 4 foot 8 bulb HO T5 Bulb to get these little girls started inside 50,000 Lu rated. I have wet betty for early feedings, Happy Frog soil for their indoor pots, rapped rooters for the beans. I have lots of other supplements from other adventurers like top max, bud candy, grow big, ect ect.

The Plan I am going to pop beans and pick up my clones on 4/1/2010 with the intention to plant them the second week of May. An old times told me he could always plant on mothers day and grow monsters so Im going to go with that :)

Soil Prep This is where I need the most help from you members out there. I am not trying to break the bank on this grow nor am I aiming for monster results, but I do know I don't like to smoke crappy weed, and if I don't do some sort of soil preparation I will not like the results. I have 3 sites picked out. I plan to plant 3-4 Plants per sight depending on how the seeds do during their early lives. Because of the amount of distance I have to travel on foot to get to these sites I can not pack bags and bags of soil into the forest because of my back issues ( I have the water packing issue figured out Ill get into that later). When the plants go outside they will probably be in like clear 44 OZ cups, and I am assuming around a foot tall depending on strain. After reading a lot of posts it seems that my issue is more improving the current soil rather than packing in an aftermarket soil. I am thinking, bone meal, blood meal, marine cuisine time release ferts for early life with re application of flower nutes later?? This is where I am really stumped and could use some help?? I would really appreciate any input. What of how much?? I plan on going out this Saturday to dig my holes and add my goodies to let them marinate for around a month.

Part 2 coming soon, Deer and Pest Prevention, Cages, and veg room construction.
 

T.rips

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NICE..sounds exciting..shoe some pictures and keep us rite up to date.. this sounds like my grow i too have 3 sites witch i plan to put 4 plants at a piece..sounds great though man DEFINITE got my lazy-boy for this one!
 

.clunk

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I think it all depends on your soil, follow Backcountries soil guide and see what you need. For most reasonably decent native soil he recommends adding 25% coir, peat or compost and maybe some perlite.
This is what I would do, I'd use coir and dig 20 gallon holes, you can get away with using one brick for each 4 plants since a brick of coir expands to just over 20 gallons, so in the end each hole is being amended with 5ish gallons of soil mix or 25%, then maybe carry in a bag or two of perlite which weighs nothing to amend a little further.
Each brick of coir weighs around 9lbs so even with a bad back you can carry them in pretty easily, break them in half skinny side up first then bust each of those into quarters. Dig the holes, then add a chunk of the dry coir block to the top of each hole and let them sit for a few heavy rainfalls; with the PNW rains they should expand pretty quickly! After it has expanded you could add perlite if needed then turn the soil over.
At this point I'd add some amendments, last year I used some sort of chicken poop stuff on a few plants in my backyard and it worked great, the stuff I used was chicken poop applied to bits of perlite then dried so it was really light to carry and added to the soil porosity as well by adding even more perlite, the chicken poop also gives the soil good texture, I think you can get the same thing applied to sawdust or something too, maybe you can ask an organicly minded shop to help you out. It's light to carry too...just apply it relatively soon so it's not too "hot" when you plant, just follow the directions or ask how much you should use when you buy it and it should work well.

At this point the soil, texture and drainage wise anyways would be pretty well covered and you'd have some gentle nutrients in the ground that would last the first 3-4 weeks of the plants life, after that you could probably use concentrated nutes of some kind if you're hand watering or just use some organic nutes suitable for top dressing if you're relying on the rain, drip emitters or handwatering. If you want it really easy just start using the AN Heavy Harvest or similiar and hammer it on once the plant get's going, it won't stop. My friends swear by it but I don't like the flavour much.

Wow, long post. I'm setting up a new spot and thinking over alot of the same questions as far as the soil goes, there's probably better ways to do it but this is probably my plan for the season..
 

talktosamson

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I think it all depends on your soil, follow Backcountries soil guide and see what you need. For most reasonably decent native soil he recommends adding 25% coir, peat or compost and maybe some perlite.
This is what I would do, I'd use coir and dig 20 gallon holes, you can get away with using one brick for each 4 plants since a brick of coir expands to just over 20 gallons, so in the end each hole is being amended with 5ish gallons of soil mix or 25%, then maybe carry in a bag or two of perlite which weighs nothing to amend a little further.
Each brick of coir weighs around 9lbs so even with a bad back you can carry them in pretty easily, break them in half skinny side up first then bust each of those into quarters. Dig the holes, then add a chunk of the dry coir block to the top of each hole and let them sit for a few heavy rainfalls; with the PNW rains they should expand pretty quickly! After it has expanded you could add perlite if needed then turn the soil over.
At this point I'd add some amendments, last year I used some sort of chicken poop stuff on a few plants in my backyard and it worked great, the stuff I used was chicken poop applied to bits of perlite then dried so it was really light to carry and added to the soil porosity as well by adding even more perlite, the chicken poop also gives the soil good texture, I think you can get the same thing applied to sawdust or something too, maybe you can ask an organicly minded shop to help you out. It's light to carry too...just apply it relatively soon so it's not too "hot" when you plant, just follow the directions or ask how much you should use when you buy it and it should work well.

At this point the soil, texture and drainage wise anyways would be pretty well covered and you'd have some gentle nutrients in the ground that would last the first 3-4 weeks of the plants life, after that you could probably use concentrated nutes of some kind if you're hand watering or just use some organic nutes suitable for top dressing if you're relying on the rain, drip emitters or handwatering. If you want it really easy just start using the AN Heavy Harvest or similiar and hammer it on once the plant get's going, it won't stop. My friends swear by it but I don't like the flavour much.

Wow, long post. I'm setting up a new spot and thinking over alot of the same questions as far as the soil goes, there's probably better ways to do it but this is probably my plan for the season..

Thank you so much for your insight and plans. I am definitely going to do the cori things, it sounds like it will give me excellent drainage and will not weigh my back down, so thank you so much for the insight there.

Im very interested in the AN Heavy Harvest, will I not have to hand water as much if I go this route? It rains pretty good up here all summer, we only get 2-3 weeks in a row with no rain, and in those cases I will be taking water to the sight for sure from a near by creek.

As far as deer prevention (which I think is my worst predator on these things) I am going to spread around some dog poopie and I will be saving my own urine to spread around as well. Deer should want to stay away from man and pit bull smells. I will be constructing cages in the next week weeks and getting them properly painted, going to go relatively small probably 2-3 feet. Ive been told most deer wont eat a plant that is pretty far into flowering, so im just trying to protect them during vedge.

One final question, and I know it varies from state to state and spot to spot, but if I do this right, how big are these plants going to get if I put them out at 12-14 inches tall? not yield wise but just height wise?

My goal for the summer is 10-16 ounces of good smoke. With 12 plants do you think this is a viable goal, given some of them will die and get eaten? That's really only a zip per plant if 10 of them survive.
 

talktosamson

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Good to see you back on here buddy!! I successfully got our Boggle and the C99 clones home this morning, going to start construction on the room tonight so II can get them off my dresser!!
 
S

schwagg

I think it all depends on your soil, follow Backcountries soil guide and see what you need. For most reasonably decent native soil he recommends adding 25% coir, peat or compost and maybe some perlite.
This is what I would do, I'd use coir and dig 20 gallon holes, you can get away with using one brick for each 4 plants since a brick of coir expands to just over 20 gallons, so in the end each hole is being amended with 5ish gallons of soil mix or 25%, then maybe carry in a bag or two of perlite which weighs nothing to amend a little further.
Each brick of coir weighs around 9lbs so even with a bad back you can carry them in pretty easily, break them in half skinny side up first then bust each of those into quarters. Dig the holes, then add a chunk of the dry coir block to the top of each hole and let them sit for a few heavy rainfalls; with the PNW rains they should expand pretty quickly! After it has expanded you could add perlite if needed then turn the soil over.
At this point I'd add some amendments, last year I used some sort of chicken poop stuff on a few plants in my backyard and it worked great, the stuff I used was chicken poop applied to bits of perlite then dried so it was really light to carry and added to the soil porosity as well by adding even more perlite, the chicken poop also gives the soil good texture, I think you can get the same thing applied to sawdust or something too, maybe you can ask an organicly minded shop to help you out. It's light to carry too...just apply it relatively soon so it's not too "hot" when you plant, just follow the directions or ask how much you should use when you buy it and it should work well.

At this point the soil, texture and drainage wise anyways would be pretty well covered and you'd have some gentle nutrients in the ground that would last the first 3-4 weeks of the plants life, after that you could probably use concentrated nutes of some kind if you're hand watering or just use some organic nutes suitable for top dressing if you're relying on the rain, drip emitters or handwatering. If you want it really easy just start using the AN Heavy Harvest or similiar and hammer it on once the plant get's going, it won't stop. My friends swear by it but I don't like the flavour much.

Wow, long post. I'm setting up a new spot and thinking over alot of the same questions as far as the soil goes, there's probably better ways to do it but this is probably my plan for the season..

wow
 

HorseMouth

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Hello fellow Oregon Grower! I'm a degree south of you, and from the sounds of your site, also a little further east. Into the high desert, at 3800 ft. Got your thread tagged, My outdoor will be posted in the Purple Ticinensis thread, (that's mostly what I'm growing OD this year).
GL doing your prep. Do you have an OMMP card? Its worth it for sure esp. for OD.

Hope you've started your seeds!

peace
 

talktosamson

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good luck brother your setup sounds great!
i have a similar system right now, sprouted in mid-feb though

Thanks I didn't want to cut any corners this time around, I have always done half assed efforts but I will not have another winter scrounging for buds, its lame. I have a pretty far hike on foot to get to where I need to get to, so that's why I'm only allowing a 4-5 week veg time, I need to put everything in tall containers so I can fit 10-12 in my pack.


Hello fellow Oregon Grower! I'm a degree south of you, and from the sounds of your site, also a little further east. Into the high desert, at 3800 ft. Got your thread tagged, My outdoor will be posted in the Purple Ticinensis thread, (that's mostly what I'm growing OD this year).
GL doing your prep. Do you have an OMMP card? Its worth it for sure esp. for OD.

Hope you've started your seeds!

peace

Hello yourself!!! Sounds like we are fairly close to one another. I'm going to check out your grow as well, I'm a huge fan of purple strains, they have always been good medicine to me. I have been OMMP for almost 5 years now, I renew every April, I'm actually due for a visit to MAMA here in a few weeks. I cant do a serious outdoor of my own because I live right in town and even a deck patio grow would not be cool with my neighbors being so close. I have a GSO in southern Oregon, but I just got the itch this year, I miss when i had the basement and could do my own year round. My spot is timber land that has been harvested around 5-8 years ago but borders my parents land.

This is the composted chicken poop that I'll be using this year, I think it even comes from Oregon;
http://www.stutzman-environmental.com/suprgreen.htm

One 25lb bag should be enough to do all the holes you have, I just bought a bag for my veggie garden and it was under $10, pretty cheap!

Thanks!! I found a really good time release fert that is made in Ashland Oregon and I picked up a 25 pound bag of that, I might supplement with some chicken Poo though, thanks for the heads up!!
 

tripa

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Nice to hear you're growing at 46N. So am I but I live in Europe. Will stick to this thread and compre the results :)
 

talktosamson

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Nice to hear you're growing at 46N. So am I but I live in Europe. Will stick to this thread and compre the results :)

That will actually be a really cool comparison, which strains are you running?? I'm guessing you are in the same boat, early October mold resistant :)
 

tripa

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That will actually be a really cool comparison, which strains are you running?? I'm guessing you are in the same boat, early October mold resistant :)

Yes it's true. Ill try some danish genetics from lalandia, some mandala#1, maybe frisian dew and many others. We'll see how it turns out. Some autoflowers will be put outdoors too.
 

talktosamson

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UPDATE: Got the T5 in, and Im really surprised how bright it is, the room is mostly built right now, I just need to hang the wood and finish insulating. I canceled the hole preparation for a week because we got a wall of rain up here for over a week, and the creek was completely impassable. I am going to start popping beans of Thursday, so expect an update with pictures early next week. I probably wont post many pictures during veg, we all know what those look like lol.
 

talktosamson

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I have another situation I could use some advise on. I am now in my possession, Bogglegum Clone, C99 Clone, GDP Clone, and two other suitable indica strains, so I have a total of 6 clones. Should I just pop my 5 Sputnik #1 Feminized seeds and hope for the best? If I get all 5 that will be 11 total Indica's to put outside, and just scrap the church and big bang for an indoor or further outdoor grows? Its kind of what Im thinking about doing.
 

asstastic

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go ducks jk grow strong oregonian havent looked but is there a OR grower thread
and oregon soil not the best i would dig your holes leaveing the dirt then add perlite and some compost and mix really well and use chems if you dont coons will eat your dirt
 

talktosamson

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Hello Oregon Friend!! I have a pretty good plan on making the soil better, we talked about it on page one. The soil up here is pretty good because of all the rain, and the fact that I'm planting in a creek area with lush vegetation. Going to add a 1/4 brick of cori and some perlite to each hole with time release ferts. Should give me the drainage I need, I am only trying to visit these girls 4-5 times before I come back to take them down late September.
 

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