may i please have a little help w/ my lady?

[farmdalefurr]

this problem popped up last week. it started w/ the 1st set of big fan leaves doing this, then falling off. it then moved up to the next set of fan leaves. now its getting up to the 3rd set but their not quite in the shape that the ones are in the pics. shes in ff happy frog soil mixed w/ perlite, just put into flower a week ago 2day (just showed pistils today by the way , ff grow big in veg, using gh flora-bloom & a lil beastie blooms since starting flower. i water every 3rd day....maybe 4th depending how dry they get. im growing in a growlab80 (400w) i water w/ 6.5-7.0 ph w/ gen hydro liquid ph test kit. anything else you need to know please let me know.

 

[mellomel]

More water maybe but I grow in coco so wouldn't kno much about your medium...ph looks alil high???

 

[o.sparkles]

How big is the plant/pot? Are the roots heavily circling the bottom of the pot? Are you feeding 100% strength?

A shot of the whole thing would help.

 

[farmdalefurr]

What STRAIN are you growing? bagseed
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)seed
What is the age of your plants? 6 1/2 weeks
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? 1 week flower
What Technique are you using? just lettin her do her thing
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.) happy frog. seeds started in rockwool
What is the Nutrient temperature? 6.5-7.0/ yellowish/green on the GH test vial
What Nutrient's are you using? 1 tblspn GH flora bloom/ 1/2 tsp beastie bloomz
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?yes
When was your last watering? 3 days ago/ nute watering tonight
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional) about a week ago
What size bulb are you using? 400w hps
What is the distance to the canopy? 15 inches
What is your RH Factor? 40.2%
What is the canopy temperature?75.8
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range) 63/ 11%
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) oscill fan/ 85 cfm outtake
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? slightly
Is your water HARD or SOFT? hard
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched? no
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When? no
Are plant's infected with pest's? no

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

GH Flora Bloom isn't a complete bloom nutrient w/o GH Flora Micro. GH has Flora Micro for hard water too. The GH Flora Bloom label calls for 1 teaspoon per gallon and you're doing a tablespoon. On top of that, you're adding beasty bloom so I'd say you have phosphorus toxicity and probably potassium toxicity as well.

Sorry I can't recommend a flush as I don't know what it will do at this point. Plain water for the short term, at least until the fried symptoms clear might be a good idea.

 

[farmdalefurr]

heres a few pic of her. man i dont know what i was thinkin when i was measuring my nutes. and of course i watered again tonight. should i start flushing tomorrow? like 2 or 3x's the volume of the pot? or just start watering w/ regular ph'd water for a couple weeks?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I don't know about a flush. Maybe somebody will chime in and make a recommendation. It already looks over hydrated the way the fan stems are drooping but that might be the ferts, don't really know.

 

[farmdalefurr]

this is depressing. this is the 1st time this has happened outta 3 successful grows. they just showed their pistils today..... id hate to skrew up 2 beautiful gurls. also i just checked my runoff in the catch pan and its reading damn near orange, which is near 4 or 5 ph. how is this rectified? im not sure on the ph'd water (strength wise) to bring it up. i dont wanna go overboard like ive already done.

 

[bombadil.360]

you could re-pot, but that will stress her a lot. but it is safer than flushing the soil perhaps?

I'd risk it and re-pot her into a soil mix low on nutes and that drains well, and then you could flush...

but she will take a set-back for sure.

my two cents.

good luck!

 

[farmdalefurr]

that sounds more doable than messin w/ the nutes to get everything right.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

farmdalefurr, if the ph is that low, I'd go ahead and flush. It won't return things to normal overnight but 4 or 5 is gonna cause further problems if left to be. Re-potting might add additional buffer (especially if you pre-lime your soil before using) but you probably need a flush to get some of that buildup out of the equation.

You may already know this but too much water can make problems too. I'd let the flush dry before you add more water. I wouldn't expect the flush to remove all the buildup so you may have to plain water for a few until the plants get perky again.

 

[OrganicMonkey]

Sure looks over watered, I'd not trust those liquid ph testers either. Over watering seems to effect micronutrient uptake and delivery, so work on healing the roots while reducing the impact of that.

 

[farmdalefurr]

what ph water should i use to raise ph @ 4 up to 6or7? i never understood how to raise ph w/ flushing w/ high ph water and visa versa

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

what ph water should i use to raise ph @ 4 up to 6or7? i never understood how to raise ph w/ flushing w/ high ph water and visa versa

I thought I chimed in on this but don't see the post, lol. I don't think you can pH water high enough to get your soil in the correct range. That's what dolomitic lime is for. It's mixed at the rate of ~one tablespoon per gallon of dirt. If it's all or mostly peat, it may take as much as 2 tablespoons per gallon. Once mixed, it can be used right away but works better if you give it some time, A few weeks, even a few months is better than using it right away. Water and periodic turning help distribute the lime and reduce hot spots.

You're going to have trouble with pH that low. Hardwood ash or dolomitic lime can be top dressed but it isn't as effective as mixing in.

 

[darrmann]

i know this beastie bloomz is for flowering. i use all three granular products and there are specific weeks to give them. goto foxfarm sight and look at there feed chart and follow it.

 

[farmdalefurr]

i havent done anything w/ her as of yet. im tryin to wait till the soil drys out then just start flushing her w/ plain ph'd water. its weird cuz this hasnt affected the other gurl i have goin in my tent. maybe its just a stronger strain, idk. ive just had a bad run this time around. i was lst'n lastnight and snapped a couple branches on another plant. not completely off, but enough lol. im just glad i didnt skrew up my nirvana swiss cheese i have goin in veg.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Hope ya get it worked out good.

 

[farmdalefurr]

i flushed her w/ 6-7 gal. of water ph'd at 6.5, and by the time i was flushing w/ my last gallon, i tested the runoff (which was pretty much clear) and it came out the exact color green thats on the vial for 6.5. same color that i started w/ before i watered. so hopefully this flush will help. its a good sign that my end runoff product was 6.5-7 right?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Sounds a lot better than 4, lol. Hope it works out.