Question for folks concerning Medical Collective Agreement

[lysol]

The more I think about this, the more it makes sense to me. What this would effectively do is to create a debt between the agent or officer and the person who they damaged

You can just "think about it" and then spontaneously understand the intricacies of US law. Just because something "makes sense" doesn't mean its a law. It doesn't make sense that marijuana is illegal in the first place.

Its not a hard concept. You can't just touch pen to paper and start voiding out laws. Those laws still apply.

An agreement to carry out an illegal act is an example of a void contract or void agreement. For example, a contract between drug dealers and buyers is a void contract simply because the terms of the contract are illegal.

Those corporate non-disclosures? ... they all contain clauses allowing both parties to violate it in order to cooperate with law enforcement. You can't have a valid contract that also contradicts the law. Contracts are enforced BY the law, so they have to agree WITH the law.

Void ab initio. A contract is null from the beginning if it seriously offends law or public policy in contrast to a contract which is merely voidable at the election of one of the parties to the contract.

Google it guys... I would imagine people have tried it 1,000s of times. Example "sign this contract and I will break the law and help you with assisted suicide" (another example of a completely void contract from the outset)

 

[Rednick]

Take it to a lawyer in your state, who is knowledgable in MMJ or Contract/Tort Law.

I would be interested to hear your summary.

 

[medfinder]

where?

where?

Its a fact.

collectives are sitting ducks.

with the A.G. guidelines in california saying collective members most either say they will grow or not grow.

guidelines. think the guidlines will be tested in court?


Also growing the medicine on site, and any all records can be inspected at any time by law enforcement.


NON PROFIT?

legalization will come when the big pharma pays off those in charge.

Bayer is ready.

patents are applied.

Now what about letting the prisoners out?

 

[Yes4Prop215]

why are people against this it basically makes sure the piggies arent up to anything..

 

[quadracer]

Show me one true MMJ collective or co-op. Just one.

Here you go: The Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana.

 

[Leonard NeemOil]

Yeah, they are the model co-op and older than all of these dispensaries. I wish more followed in their footsteps, but sadly they are the exception.

I was thinking more about dispensaries with store fronts. Or do they have a store front now?

 

[medicalgreen]

Yeah, they are the model co-op and older than all of these dispensaries. I wish more followed in their footsteps, but sadly they are the exception.

I was thinking more about dispensaries with store fronts. Or do they have a store front now?

Yes WAMM is the classic model, however, WAMM got busted, and one of the reasons, just one of them, was likely the fact that everyone knew where they grew. That's a bit disconcerting especially when it comes to robberies these days and informants. Bringing everyone in and allowing them to help grow is severely risky and opens yourself up and everyone else, for problems, and risks their meds being stolen or confiscated, which is precisely what happened.

Personally, I think they were a great model, but it was experimental and pioneering and did not work, at least at the time. It may work in the future, when cannabis prices have come way down and the laws are not so restrictive.
In the meantime, the private collective model is the only way to go unless you want to be licensed and have a storefront. Then you have "Employees", "Insurance" "Benefits for Employees", "Security", "Rent Overhead", "Taxes", "Mandatory Filings", "Audits", "Tax Attorneys and CPAs", "Payroll", "Board Meetings" in most cases, for Non Profits Corps at least, "Bylaws", and all that Jazz.
And that's if you get your Zoning Permit and Use Permit approved and your landlord is alright with your dispensary operating there, and you are not within 1000 feet of a sidewalk etc. (lol)

Private collectives have to make sure people are all members and signed up, verified with proper ID, and rules in place for non-diversion and responsibility. Accounting takes place, but it's not so formal, and prices are kept lower for everyone. Taxes are not required, depending on how you view things, and I am not a Tax Attorney and do not give advice, but from what I gather, sales taxes are only collected for businesses when you have a business license and a seller's permit, especially. Only seller's can sell and only sales are taxed. So, a true collective can avoid all sorts of unnecessary licensing requirements.

The downside of course, you cannot walk in and get a massive selection to choose from and rely on going there anytime you need medication. That is the privilege that goes along with the licensing and the storefront. And you can claim it all and write it all off, etc., and be semi-legit in business with a storefront. But you are no more legal than the collective is, in the long run. And probably less safer, overall. Dispensaries are like sitting ducks in most cases, but if you are Grandfathered in, like in Oakland or Berkeley, or places where they are accepted and operating for some time, then you are set.

 

[Rednick]

What is the point you are trying to make????

Medical Green...if that is your real name...ha.ha.ha.

 

[Rednick]

why are people against this it basically makes sure the piggies arent up to anything..

Did you not hear that 'Undercover Operations do not have to tell you that "they are a cop", ????

Hey if you want it, take it!

"You do what you want with your own scalp, and not be tellin' us what to be doin' with ours." Last of the Mohicans.

 

[medicalgreen]

What is the point you are trying to make????

Medical Green...if that is your real name...ha.ha.ha.

Why does someone have to be trying to make a point?

I'm just stating the comparisons, and why WAMM can't work as a collective model, in this time and day, just yet. And how dispensaries are in no better a position, with their situation, because of federal laws.

No point at all, just stating the obvious, I guess.

I go by Medical Green since that's my name. My first name is Medical and my last name is Green. Isn't it obvious?

 

[Rednick]

The downside of course, you cannot walk in and get a massive selection to choose from and rely on going there anytime you need medication. .

Please elaborate, I am very interested in hearing how your clubs work.

 

[medicalgreen]

Please elaborate, I am very interested in hearing how your clubs work.

What clubs? I don't have any clubs, myself. I thought about opening one up a couple times a few years back, but that fell through because of too much uncertainty in the laws.

I'm talking about the downsides of collectives who don't have storefronts.

 

[Rednick]

I thought you were in Cali., my bad.
Cooperatives around here don't normally bar you from obtaining medicine elsewhere, but you may not get the same deal as through your cooperative.

 

[Care Giver]

Show me one true MMJ collective or co-op. Just one.

Here you go: The Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana.

There are over 1000 D's in LA.

1:1000 = 1/10th of a percent.

Betcha you can't show me 2.

 

[Rednick]

Betcha need to go back to Minesober, ehh???

 

[reality checker]

I think its more of holding the cops accountable for being liars...if they had to assume responsibility for their lies, they may, MAY think twice!
I would sign it...why not? what's the liability if you are not a liar?