Sick seedlings, please help!

[DevilWeed]

This mornings readings:

PPM 218
pH 6.3

There was no flood/drain since last readings. I know why the pH jumped though. Running the kerosene heater in that building (detached from my house) raises the CO2 levels to 1700-1900ppm. CO2 bubbled through water creates weak carbonic acid, thus lowering the pH. I set the pH last night while CO2 was high. Heater is off over night as the grow room has it's own heat. So through the night, the CO2 content of the res drops...and the pH climbs. I'm going to setup an air draw from outside for my airpumps. I ran into this exact issue with my reef tanks a while back... Luckily, no flood/drain cycles ran while the pH was that high. I adjusted it back to 5.7 this morning pre-flood.

 

[Snype]

Just so you know CO2 in your water is very bad. Please do your best to get that fixed as fast as you can. It's going to mess up our testing.

 

[DevilWeed]

Yep, I will not run the heater again until I get the res air supply pumped from outside air. I only run it while I'm working in my shop anyway, so I'll jsut bundle up for now.

Girls look Ok, still growing. New growth is better.

 

[DevilWeed]

7pm readings:

PPM 225
pH 5.8

I topped of the res with RO back to original level and PPM went to 208. No more heater running so no CO2 = stable pH so far. Girls look Ok. Best looking plants in my room are still in the cloner...lol. Figures. Gonna soil a couple tonight for moms and may throw the other 2 in DWC buckets just for kicks. Got the buckets, got the clones, might as well... I'll use Technoflora with those.

I talked to two different hydro guys today and both stopped using FoxFarm a while back do to various issues. One being the mud it leaves on everything, the other being erratic growth issues. I'm really starting to lean toward dumping the FoxFarm altogether. Snype, what do you think of that idea? I don't like changing too many variables at once...

 

[DevilWeed]

Final update of the day....I should really start a grow diary...

This is after evening flood:
PPM 220
pH 5.8

On another note, I threw together a DWC and put a chocolope in it. Very easy to setup. I'm running 100ppm of the technoflora Root66 (added about 1/8 what they recommend) and a little SugarDaddy. I'm following what they say in their guide just cutting everyting WAY back. Thes roots on that one were well over a foot long and I managed to get them in there without damage so roots are already in the soluton bubbling away. Also threw two other clones in soil (FF Ocean Forest). No nutes, just I nice soaking.

 

[Snype]

I feel you on the Fox Farm nutes. I've experimented with so many nutes in my life and when I went with the Fox Farm grow big, tiger bloom and big bloom, I was not happy with the results. I didn't want to tell you this because some people get angry if you start talking about their nutes and other people think you work for a nute company and are trying to see something. I was happy with the Tecknaflora nutes (Boost, Grow, Bloom, Awesome Blossom and B1 Red) and used them for over 10 years. I just made my switch to the GH Flora series but only to test out compared to the Tech nutes.

On another note I'm dealing with some personal issues right now and I feel bad because I was helping you. I'm not in the right state of mind right now and I have to be careful. I would appreciate if you would send me a PM but you need 13 more posts to do that (you need 50 posts to PM). You can rack up those posts real easily in the tokers den. I hope you're not mad.

 

[DevilWeed]

Snype, take care of yourself man! No worries, I really appreciate the help you've given me and I think I'm on the right track now. I'll keep this thread updated if for nothing else just so others can see the progression after a newb mistake. I'm getting there on the posts and will PM you when I hit 50.

Hope everything works out for you. You've spread enough good Karma here holpfully some will come your way.

 

[Snype]

Thanks devil, I'm feeling better now. I took a long walk and got some issues figured out so I'm here if you need me. I have a lot of transplanting to do today so I'll be in and out. Glad you think you're on the right path.

 

[DevilWeed]

Glad to hear you're feeling a little better!

I want to dump the FoxFarm nutes sooner rather than later. Guess my only question for now is how would you recommend I switch to the Technoflora line? Flush for a day, then nutes at 100-200 maybe? No flush needed? Right now new growth is much greener but it looks like the very tip of the leaves are still burning a bit.

 

[Snype]

No flush needed but you only need to get the Boost, Grow, Bloom, Awesome Blossom and the B1 Red. I'll give you my formulas for the whole cycle. Don't go and get all the other crap they sell though, it's a big waste of money. You'll really like the B1 Red.

 

[DevilWeed]

Cool. The ebb & grow came with small bottles of all those...the so called "Recipe for Success". Soooo, I have everything I need to get started.

 

[DevilWeed]

Just changed the res...again...

Started with RO water @ 0ppm. Used "Recipe for Success" for ratios.

Water Volume: 32g

Recommended dosages/gal:
B.C Boost – 3 tsp (15 ml)
B.C Grow – 1½ tsp (7.5 ml)
Thrive Alive B-1 Red – ½ tsp (2.5 ml)
MagiCal – ½ tsp (2.5 ml)
SugarDaddy – 2 tsp (10 ml)

I did the following(went with 1/5 strength to start, which should end up at 220ppm)
Boost = 32gal x 3.0tsp = 96tsp
Grow = 32gal x 1.5tsp = 48tsp
B1 Red = 32gal x 0.5tsp = 16tsp

5ml/tsp so I just changed the tsp to ml:

Boost = 96ml
Grow = 48ml
B1 Red = 16ml

Wrote that out just so I could triple check my math. After mixing and pH'ing to 5.7, I ended up at 260ppm. Had I added the MagiCal and SugarDaddy, it would have been even higher. Not sure why... Either way I left it as is.

The Boost has mag/cal in it so for now I left out the MagiCal. Also omitted the SugarDaddy as I didn't see you mention it.

I winged it a bit, but figured if I kept the nutes low I'd be fine. Let me know what you think. Feel free to tell me I f'd up royally...

One more thing...since I stopped using the heater the pH has stabilized. Before changing the res it was still at 5.75.

 

[Snype]

Start out with:

1 tsp per gallon of the B1 Red
1/2 tsp of Boost per gallon
1/4 tsp of Grow per gallon

Don't use any other additives and remember that it's teaspoon and pH to 5.8

When you hook this up, let me know what it reads for PPM but this is what I used to start out mine with.

 

[DevilWeed]

Lol, I just saw your PM come in and thought to myself, "oh crap, this is where I find out I did it all wrong!". I'm pretty dang happy with myself. I used .6tsp Boost, .3tsp Grow and too little Red. Easy enought to fix and I don't even have to dump my res again. I'll go add a few gallons of water and some red and call it a day.

Thanks Snype, you 'da man!

 

[Snype]

What ever you do, please do not use the B1 Red in the flower cycle. I like to cut out the B1 in the last week of VEG.

 

[Zealious]

I know u already said in ur first post.. but are u sure using ff grow big HYDRO? if ur using the reg grow u are missing some crucial micros esp in RO water..

I recomend using some molases. it looks like ur low on magneesium and calcium.. use molases or a cal mag suplement. this is important with RO water. Cal mag + sucks dont use it.

maybe mist ur plants with cal mag..

 

[DevilWeed]

Thanks Zealious but I'm using the hydro version. They burned overnight back when I initially nuked them with high nutes...at this point we're just trying to get things back in balance.

 

[Zealious]

could just be old damage from the burn.. leaves dont heal from that.. how is new growth looking.

 

[Snype]

I've had very bad experiences with putting molasas in hydro. Keep it simple. The formula I gave you has everything you need.

 

[Zealious]

what was ur bad experience?