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IWanaGetHiSoHi

IWanaGetHiSoHi

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Quite a bit is not completely ... when one needs to justify their statements with their years of experience and what Others do I begin to question their reasoning abilities ... I too have been at this for a Loooong Time ... with no OG or IC Family to help me ... Yes if you put a seedling in a 5 gallon bucket of ProMix and water it too frequently you might run into problems but this is not the case here. These are small yet established plants ... that to spite early input are not looking any better. I don't want to keep up this pissing match ... I want to help Koans plants.
 
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LivingKoan

Yeah when I watered them the runoff was kinda yellow like my nute solution. So if I have a salt issue I should just flush with a lot of water?

I added 2 handfuls of Plant-tone to 17 gal of soil as I mentioned in my first post. Which is a lot less than it calls for-for potted plants. heres the data sheet that shows the ingredients. http://www.espoma.com/p_consumer/pdf/products/tones/Esp_Plant.pdf
 
IWanaGetHiSoHi

IWanaGetHiSoHi

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LivingKoan said:
Yeah when I watered them the runoff was kinda yellow like my nute solution. So if I have a salt issue I should just flush with a lot of water?
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In ProMix BX alone I would flush until my runoff is clear and then Feed them. Another point I should stress but haven't yet mentioned ... Never pour nute solution on a Dry Medium. Wet it down first.
 
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OGfarmerted

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my 2 cents, ph @6.0, run thru your medium and about halfway thru some of the drainage , grab a little and check the ph. if its high, adjust your ph of the feeding solution a little lower. i also noticed what appears to be a calcium magnesium deficiency.
 
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LivingKoan

I don't feel comfortable ph'ing to 6.0 now because I feel like thats what is causing my lockouts. My friend works at a green house where they use pro-mix. They just use tap water and osmocote without pH'ing the water.

Could it be salt build up if I have barely even added nutes yet? I need to give them some nutes soon.
 
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Bud Bug

LivingKoan said:
I don't feel comfortable ph'ing to 6.0 now because I feel like thats what is causing my lockouts. My friend works at a green house where they use pro-mix. They just use tap water and osmocote without pH'ing the water.

Could it be salt build up if I have barely even added nutes yet? I need to give them some nutes soon.
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PH 6 in HP should be perfectly fine. This is what I ran when I ran straight HP even now with 50/50 Coco/HP I still keep it at 6 and it works good. Really the range for HP/BX can be from 5.8-6.2

Again since you haven't fed much its possible you are lacking in food but then the whole plant would be light green. Its possible that the extra "organic" supplement you added is just enough to keep the plants green but as you can see the plant is using up what's stored in the big leaves and moving it to the new growth.

Can you let us know what you added? Can you transplant into bigger pots, remove some of the soil around the root ball and just use straight HP?
 
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Bud Bug

LivingKoan said:
Yeah this is the ammendment I added.
http://www.espoma.com/p_consumer/pdf/products/tones/Esp_Plant.pdf (You need Adobe Acrobat viewer to see the info. you can download for free)

I added 2 cups to 17 gallons promix.
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So thats about half a bag of Promix. I can't see it causing any problems but usually try to avoid additives that already contain fertilizer especially with slow release this is what you Nova is for.

I also didn't realize till I re read the first post that you are using BX. This just hold water longer but even in the 1 gal pots it should be dry by the 3rd/4th day as there will be quite a bit of roots in there already.

Well you could take a chance and transplant them but they are stressed to hell so there's a slight chance of them going hermi on you -the plant want to reproduce since it thinks its dying. You could minimize this by watering them a bit with a vitamin B products like Thrive Alive 30 min before you pull then out of the 1 gal pots. Even foliar feed it with food/b1 a day before. Transplanting them and loosening some of the soil would also remove some the organic additive you added.

The other method would be to let them dry out, use your finger to see how dry it its. Stick in in the soil and the top should be dry and just a bit moist further down. It'll be wet at the bottom 2" or so but not much you can do about that.

Now add a bit of Nova Grow or Bloom. The Grow at 10ml/5gal will give you about 600ppm probably take it to down to 500. Also I would add some B1 to reduce the stress and if you have a hydro store near you ask them if they have Grotek Insta Green. The Insta Green would give it an instant boost of N.

Once you feed them you can also foliar feed them with the Nova/B1/Insta green to get more food in with out adding extra salts to the medium. Once they recover then transplant them into your final size pots. Then make sure you alternate your feeding and watering to minimize salt build up.
 
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LivingKoan

Ok I fed them at about 2mL/Gal of Bloom @ pH 6.7. I'll post some pics tomorrow. Hopefully they snap out of it.
 
daves4usc

daves4usc

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You need to flush those hard core IMVHO. if your not sure about what you got in the soil as far as salt build up, or how your oraganic mix is effecting everything, you could always tansplant into a more familiar soil mix which will be easy to control. Just get as much soil off roots and transplant, adjust PH if needed, add low dosage of nutes if need be and those babies will perk right up and get nice and green. I agree with nute build up/lock out theory. Its obviously more then one thing going on with all you have tried. Just my opinion and thoughts.
 
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LivingKoan

Ok I finally took the time to update. There is a lot of new healthy growth. I turned up the power on the canfan, for more air exchange in the tent. They are almost ready for more water, so I'm gonna flush them with 6.8 pH'd water, then after a couple days give them a strong dose of nutes. After that I think it will be time to transplant.

These old leaves probably wont revive right?


 
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Bud Bug

LivingKoan said:
Ok I finally took the time to update. There is a lot of new healthy growth. I turned up the power on the canfan, for more air exchange in the tent. They are almost ready for more water, so I'm gonna flush them with 6.8 pH'd water, then after a couple days give them a strong dose of nutes. After that I think it will be time to transplant.

These old leaves probably wont revive right?

Don't give them too strong of a dose. 600ppm should be good and get a vitamin B1 product. This will reduce the stress.
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