Doubt between industrialized and natural fertilizers

[gatomestre]

Hello,
So, I'm from Brazil, and here the difficulty in finding the best fertilizer brand is very large and the import is expensive, often have problems with customs.

My question.
In well-controlled environments with proper lighting, using only natural fertilizers (earthworm (N), castor bean (N) (rest of the production of biodiesel) and bone milled (PK)) grown in soil, the difference will be big? I will not get the best that the strain can give me? The difference would be too big?

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[mad librettist]

Just stay on your path! You don't need to order a single thing in the mail to grow good weed.

Sugarcane - it is fermented? Is there residual alcohol? You would want to process that somehow as alcohol is bad for plants.

Hey can you find some Terra preta?

Then there is bokashi and as you said the worm compost. I can point you to some threads if you can't find them. Google worm bin bag.

 

[big ballin 88]

ML has a very good point. Everything you need can be found locally. I'm glad to see someone who doesnt want to just buy liquid nutes.

If your near an ocean or a forest you have good sources for your organics. They haven't survived thousand of years on nothing. Bone and blood meal can be had from butchered animals. Fish hydroslate can be made from left over pieces of fish and if has the bones included is a very good nutritional source. fish and seaweed can provide a full spectrum of feeding but its good to get trace elements. There is also plenty of weeds with different nutritional elements to them. The soil around you can be a good starting place and could be even better if near a river. Look for areas where there have been forest fires and you can take the pieces of burnt wood as its a form of biochar

Lastly strains nowadays are hybrids from plants all over the world. Where i live we can still acquire landrace plants and i prefer these to other seeds since their free and grow amazing outdoors in my area.

 

[habeeb]

look into trying to find 50# bags of ferts from a farmstock or animal store ( pigs, horses, chickens.. )

also there is no hydro shops over there that you can mail order from? and what about ordering a couple bottles ( grow and bloom ) to your parents house???

don't give up, be creative and let your instincts guide you to your nutes

 

[mad librettist]

I get the feeling these specialized organic nutes are more of a Europe and former British colonies thing.

You know, people with money to blow in exchange for convenience.

 

[gatomestre]

Just stay on your path! You don't need to order a single thing in the mail to grow good weed.

Sugarcane - it is fermented? Is there residual alcohol? You would want to process that somehow as alcohol is bad for plants.

Hey can you find some Terra preta?

Then there is bokashi and as you said the worm compost. I can point you to some threads if you can't find them. Google worm bin bag.

I use terra preta. It abundande here. My mix is composed of terra preta, worm bin, "limestone". Bokashi I know, but never used. I watered with organic tea (worm bin, molasses in vega) and flora add bonemeal in substrate. I will continue these schema. Thank you.

ML has a very good point. Everything you need can be found locally. I'm glad to see someone who doesnt want to just buy liquid nutes.

If your near an ocean or a forest you have good sources for your organics. They haven't survived thousand of years on nothing. Bone and blood meal can be had from butchered animals. Fish hydroslate can be made from left over pieces of fish and if has the bones included is a very good nutritional source. fish and seaweed can provide a full spectrum of feeding but its good to get trace elements. There is also plenty of weeds with different nutritional elements to them. The soil around you can be a good starting place and could be even better if near a river. Look for areas where there have been forest fires and you can take the pieces of burnt wood as its a form of biochar

Lastly strains nowadays are hybrids from plants all over the world. Where i live we can still acquire landrace plants and i prefer these to other seeds since their free and grow amazing outdoors in my area.

Thanks for the tips. I am researching on fish fertilizer and seaweed. I prepare my substrate with black earth come from nearby forests, biological life is the gift

look into trying to find 50# bags of ferts from a farmstock or animal store ( pigs, horses, chickens.. )

also there is no hydro shops over there that you can mail order from? and what about ordering a couple bottles ( grow and bloom ) to your parents house???

don't give up, be creative and let your instincts guide you to your nutes

Thz for the tips.

I get the feeling these specialized organic nutes are more of a Europe and former British colonies thing.

You know, people with money to blow in exchange for convenience.

I also have this idea. I wanted opinions from those who have used the two methods, the difference is really worth.

 

[mad librettist]

I think you will find many here are very curious about your methods. People like me. We have a terra preta thread that needs your voice.

Wow wow wow! Do you have a camera?

 

[gatomestre]

I think you will find many here are very curious about your methods. People like me. We have a terra preta thread that needs your voice.

Wow wow wow! Do you have a camera?

Sure. I'll provide some photos. What is your topic?

Funny ... "Terra preta" is the name used here.

 

[motaloca]

I feel you. I am in a place where it's also almost impossible or very expensive to import(my led light spent 2 months at customs as they first wanted 150$ import tax).
I am tying new things constantly.
Compost and worm bins are the way to go. Also you should get guano and seaweed.
I am just testing sugarcane juice as a molasses alternative.
good luck,bro
Keep searching and you will find a complete fert for your plants.
And yes you can grow as good without chemical ferts

 

[big ballin 88]

You can make mollasses by boiling the sugarcane juice...

 

[mad librettist]

Sure. I'll provide some photos. What is your topic?

Funny ... "Terra preta" is the name used here.

When we say Terra preta we only mean what you have. We have none

Many of us use charcoal but as you know the recipe is lost. We only dream. It can not be imported.

 

[OrganicMonkey]

When we say Terra preta we only mean what you have. We have none

Many of us use charcoal but as you know the recipe is lost. We only dream. It can not be imported.

That is a great idea, as well as earth worm castings and by giving them left over foods to make available to you as castings.

I'd think that there are a lot of native plants, that can be used for their nutrients, hormones and vitamins just putting them in cold water for a few weeks. Soy bean meal, alfalfa meal, kelp meal, these are just popularized dried plants. It's not that there aren't other plants, it's hard to know how good they would be. They all have nutrients, sugars, hormones and vitamins so concentrate those.

Making your own fish fertilizer is a good thought, a stinky thought but a good one. You can also compost your own crap, just eat good things, dump in a bucket with sawdust before let it pile up for a good heat.

Truth is you can roam the land and find all sorts of animal waste, plants to concentrate and good local soils, minerals, and rotting fish.

It's just hard to know what you are working with, when you have improvised and standardized material. I'm sure you can find guano's around, chicken poo, cow patties, even dog turds have compost products designed for them.